Summary Colloquim PUC - Day 2 - Table: INDIGENOUS TRADITIONS

Hare Krishna, Dear Guru Maharaja,

HpS - Thank you. The post seems to end abruptly and the described Spanish language original is not there. Is there more?

Gaston Soublette refered this epic poem, “La Araucana”, which according Britannica: “Alonso de Ercilla y Zúñiga, a Spanish soldier who fought in the Araucanian wars, celebrated the courage and martial qualities of the Araucanians in the epic poem La Araucana (1569–89). This work is known as the “Aeneid of the Chileans.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Araucaniad

Wikipedia add that is “one of the most important works of the Spanish Golden Age (Siglo de Oro).”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Araucana

 

Now about the summary:

The table two, last Wednesday, it was a crucial table of this colloquium because the indigenous theme now is relevant in Chile and other countries too.

The name of the second table was:

TABLE 2: NATURE AND THE SACRED: INDIGENOUS TRADITIONS

Moderator: Claudia Lira

The accurate summary of the table was made by Carlos Rold and is here now mainly thank Microsoft Translator tool (original Spanish at the end). We will add a shorter-summary of the first day of Colloquim also in a second entry, just for knowledge.

UC COLLOQUIUM SUMMARY, 2ND SESSION WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14

Presentation 1: Jorge Calbucura (living now in Sweden): "Reflections on the sacralization of the territory. Two indigenous perspectives: Mapuche and Sami"

The emotional worldview of indigenous peoples defines our well-being from the knowledge and of our feeling and thinking.

Indigenous worldview is a cosmos imbued with sacrality.

The shaman is a special human being who has direct communication with the gods and spirits of nature, but who also performs many functions and has many attributes in his community.

Shamanic culture is more than 50.000 years old.

The Mapuche shaman is the machi, in any case most machis are women.

Definitions of shamanism are numerous, the concept exists only as an abstraction in the minds of researchers.

Shamanism Sami remains a mystery to researchers and represents a practice of thousands of years of history that is still not fully understood.

Today there is an institutionalized "shamanic" culture that is exercised without an understanding of shamanic roots.

The Sami people, settled mainly in Norway, Sweden and Finland, were definitively Christianized in the 17th century and with that they were dominated along with their territories, the Sami were judicially removed from all political activity and those who did not accept Christianity were accused of witchcraft, banned from doing their ancestral activities and many were burned at the stake

The Sami tried to integrate Christianity as yet another element of their shamanic spirituality, but the Catholic church did not accept it and began a campaign of persecution, for example: they were forced to deliver their musical instruments to prevent them from performing their rituals. It is very likely that the Sami drum caused much fear to the authorities and rulers because of the powerful beliefs in the environment.

The Sami shamanic vision allows us to understand where we are, who we are, what hurts us and that our future is in the past, so rediscovering our past is fundamental to the construction of the future.

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I'll do a little parenthesis here,

This estimated [esteemed] researcher and actual Mapuche person reply to my email saying:

"Dear Javier Armijo
Thank you very much for your kind words, I am glad that you liked my presentation. On the possibilities of establishing contacts, actually, I appreciate your interest with great pleasure and in advance. On the similarities between knowledge (India and Mapuche). It is very possible, it is ancestral knowledge and in the case of indigenous peoples, my interest is the Kultrun circuit that begins in Mongolia, Siberia and descends to the Wallmapu (Land of Mapuche in South America, Chile and part of Argentina)"



Presentation 2: Francisco Huichaqueo: "W'ne adngen / the image before the image"

He recounted a testimony, a story that happened to him in relation to his work as an audiovisual artist.

Four years ago the authorities of the Archaeological Museum of Santiago invited him to work on Mapuche relics, the museum calls them archaeological objects.

 He didn't want to take the job, because it wasn't his specialty, so he traveled south for advice and spoke to the director of the Cañete Museum, Juanita Paillalef, and she told him to accept the mission, and called it a "spiritual mission." The museum managers wanted everything fast and set up an exhibition of Mapuche ancestral objects in 1 month, but Francis said that it can not be so fast, you have to wait, the Mapuche times, and especially for these matters, are different, there is no rush. During his trip south a Machi told him a dream would come to him. Then after a while he arrived and had a mystical dream where there were many objects flying in space and it was experienced as a revelation, for him it was a spiritual experience of unfolding or astral journey. Suddenly in space a white light opens and he saw many Mapuche objects in an enclosed space, those for domestic use, those for ritual and spiritual use, everything was caught flying. He told the Machi's dream and she told him that he needed time to "digest" Francis' dream, then the days passed and the Machi had his dream: that light was the ancient Mapuche people who wanted to connect with the objects and be released from the glass boxes. Francis wrote the following for the exhibition:

"Wenu Pelon - Portal of Light

There is a portal where distant spaces are connected, it is a tunnel through which objects travel to meet their original meaning.

The objects leave our fields, from our houses, are for daily use, but they are also our ceremonial objects. They are now heading through space towards the glare of the sky, spiraling up into the portal of light. Shaking the dust they leave behind the drawers of conservation, the labels of the archaeological cataloguing disappear. Thus, flying, they stir their energy to regain the condition of living objects, bearers of wisdom. They are activated by our energy, our way of seeing and living today's world.

Voices are heard as objects move through the portal on the way to Wenu Mapu, the Land of Heaven - we are not museum objects, we are a living culture. You see a silhouette, it's a familiar portrait, a horse recognizes the smell of a Kultrún, a branch of Fuye/Canelo travels down the river water until he finds the hands of a Machi.

In this space and for an indefinite time will rise a begging day and night. By the end of the process, our objects will be lighter and have regained the secret of why we're here.

"Spiritual instinct before reason."

This last sentence came suddenly to him as an intense vision.

Wenu Pelon is the name of the expo.

Francis said "I obeyed my dream, we must obey the dream, I could have claimed all the objects for the Cañete Museum, for example, but it was necessary to bring the ancestral Mapuche energy to the center of the capital. The exhibition was inaugurated with a guillatún and with the participation of representatives of the Mapuche people... I let myself be guided by my dream"

Francis projected his audiovisual work inside the objects

Mapuche archaeological sites.

He assembles his programming with which he is feeling and with which he dreams, so is his job as curator, because the museum appointed him curator of art, and a machi told him that he was like "healer", so that he could "cure" through that space; that's curatory, feelings, dreams and life itself, there are no authors.

Presentation 3: Carmen Vicente: "School of Secrets of Carmen Vicente; an aesthetic education from his shamanism"

She was born in 1956 in Loja, southern Ecuador. From the age of 4 she began to be educated as a shaman and is now recognized as a spiritual leader. In 2003 he [she] promoted and created the "School of Secrets".

"I grew up watching adults hide the crops so the authorities wouldn't take everything. As a child I learned to cure animals and then boys, I was 5 years old and at 14 I just went to town.

Shaman is a trade, a job, a shaman will also go fishing, to seek water, to work the land, he does everything for the coexistence of the community."

sHe wanted to go into town to understand the lyrics and know what the lyrics say. She said she was "old" by the age of 14, so she had to go to an adult night school to learn to read. She became friends who took her to the courtyards of the universities to listen to the debates that took place at the time influenced by the artistic current that came from chili in the 70s and that talked about the political situation in that country.

"Today health systems do not reach the Amazons where children are sick from the toxicity of rivers caused by companies; then, the energy and work of shamans understand which plants you can heal this toxicity with and diseases.

From all the women teachers in my community, I learned what education should look like in order to maintain direct communication with nature.

One of the things I learned in the city is that the authorities were white men; then, when I started teaching in different groups and communities, I understood that I also had to educate white people because they will remain in power.

When I had the idea of creating a school, I told myself it would be a school of secrets to teach everything we have on earth. I want to be because what is one's own is loved. I love it when people say "our indigenous peoples," because we want them to see us and feel that way: "ours"; this has to do with care, taking care of the peoples who have been here for thousands of years, of course modern people could live without us, but how nice it would be if we all continue together, that we all integrate and live together in the world. Shamanism is also this "joint" or union of knowledge and experiences. The school is defined by us and not by the ministry."

CPKD: Personal assistant (trying to be useful to his sankirtan)

4 years, 5 months ago by abhiramdas in Special Category A

Hare Krishna Gurudeva, PAMHO

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

All glories to Hanumatpresaka Swami!!

For two or three weeks we have been talking between several spiritual brothers (Asta-saki from Mexico, Jayanta from Spain, Candra-mukhi from Peru, Arjuna and Jagad-guru from Chile, Ambarisa and Nikunja in Argentina, among others) we all agree that given the particularities of the moment, it is good and necessary that you have a personal assistant so that you can write more and develop your Sankirtan for the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada.

To write this letter it was necessary to know who the assistant could be and if he wanted and had availability for the service, by the mercy of Sri Nityananda, everything was manifested favorably, so we humbly propose that Panca Tattva Das as his assistant for three months. It's okay?

Panca-tattva is in Mar de Plata (currently in Argentina there are already flights to the USA) he would have to start doing the paperwork for his religious visa, for that we would need an invitation from the Houston temple, the rest of the requirements are simple. The other option is to travel as a tourist for three months. It's okay?

Although we are neophytes, we are trying to be useful disciples, please excuse any clumsiness.

HARE KRISHNA respected Gurudeva, his useless servant, Abhiram Thakur das.

HpS - Jaya Srila Prabhupada, what assistance would he give? What does he think about this suggestion?

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Desde hace dos o tres semanas hemos estado conversando entre varios hermanos espirituales (Asta-saki de México, Jayanta de España, Candra-mukhi de Perú, Arjuna y Jagad-guru de Chile, Ambarisa y Nikunja en Argentina, entre otros) todos coincidimos que, dadas las particularidades del momento, es bueno y necesario que usted tenga un asistente personal y así pueda escribir más y desarrollar su Sankirtan para el placer de Srila Prabhupada.


Para escribir esta carta era necesario saber quién podría ser el asistente y si quería y tenía disponibilidad para el servicio, por la misericordia de Sri Nityananda, todo se manifestó favorablemente, por eso humildemente le proponemos que Panca Tattva Das como su asistente por tres meses. Está bien?


Panca-tattva esta en Mar de Plata (actualmente en Argentina ya hay vuelos hacia USA) él tendría que empezar a hacer los tramites para su visa religiosa, para eso necesitaríamos una invitación del templo de Houston, el resto de requisitos son sencillos. La otra opción es que viaje como turista por tres meses. Está bien?


Aunque somos neófitos, estamos tratando de ser discípulos útiles, por favor disculpa cualquier torpeza.


HARE KRISHNA respetado Gurudeva, su inútil sirviente, Abhiram Thakur das.


Lady Diksa Guru

4 years, 5 months ago by hps in Special Category A

AgtSP! Paoho. We received by Yahoo mail:

Basu Ghosh Das, Wed, Oct 14 at 10:24 AM

Sivaram Maharaj has just come out with a 38 minute video where he expresses his detailed opposition to the GBC authorization of FDGs. Here is the link to the video. I urge all IIAC members to watch it! Here is the link: https://youtu.be/3Jj4-8or_tA

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HpS-ASA -- We watched it while chanting Japa. It inspired about 11-notes. We agree with many points, but again our essential difference is that we feel that Diksa-guru should be taken more as a formality, not a meaningless formality, and principle Vartmana-acharya guru 'usually' becomes Diksa guru.

We, I, are, am, just trying to be one lens on Srila Prabhupada. If you are accepting me as Diksa guru under Srila Prabhupada, then the contract is very clear and formal, and in that perspective I encourage, expect, all of my 'disciples' to accept Srila Prabhupada as an Uttama adhikari guru, and judge us in terms of his instructions.

Jaya! Back to work.

(CPKD): Report on SOLARIS No 5 and the Indexing Process

4 years, 5 months ago by abhiramdas in Special Category A

Hare Krishna Gurudeva, please accept my humble obeisances

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

All glories to Hanumatpresaka Swami!!

SOLARIS No 5 is 98% ready, only a few small details are missing so we will go to print soon. By the mercy of Nimai-Nitai, we hope to offer Sri Ramacandra this printed edition on October 25 as an offering in the Glorious RAMA-VIJAYA MAHOTSAVA. Gurudeva, on that Sunday 25th, on behalf of the ISKCON-Chosica authorities, we ask you to give us your auspicious spiritual guide giving the class at 11 am, Lima-Peru time. It's okay?

HpS-ASA --- AGTSP!!!! paoho. It is in our Calendar!


As for the "indexing" process, it is progressing, as I said in the previous report: “this process is very important because it allows significant sectors of the academic community to know and read the journal, but to achieve this it is necessary to make several adjustments that require a lot of management and therefore a lot of time ”.


In this sense, I had a meeting with Miguel Polo on this issue. After two hours of dialogue we have considered the indexing of SOLARIS to be valuable and important, but not fundamental, that is, we are going to try to achieve the goal of indexing, but without renouncing our essence of being an open window where the entire human society can see and “TAKE THE BEST OF THE PAST, APPLY IT IN THE PRESENT AND BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR ALL”. In summary, SOLARIS must be indexed, we will make adjustments, but without losing our identity so as not to end up being a magazine only for the academic elite.


IMMEDIATE STEPS:

- SECTIONS: the proposal is that the content be divided into: Essays, Articles, Interviews, Book Review and Cultural Portal. Please, any suggestions?

HpS - Are these sections required by the indexers? Difference between Essays and Articles??? Also, NIOS organizational news, Calendar, Institutional Collaborators.


- PERIODICITY: The goal is that from 2021 we do two issues per year (in June and December respectively). Please, any suggestions?

HpS - Sounds good.


- INTERVIEWS: Gurudeva we want to ask you, for SOLARIS No 6, you interview one of these three personalities:

1. SONU SHAMDASANI

2. SAMARESH BANDYOPADHYAY

3. BERNARDO NANTE

If you accept, and tell us who is okay with interviewing this time, our management unit would do all the coordination with said academic so that you do not burden your activities anymore, you would only focus on.

HpS - Dr. Samaresh.


- FORMATION OF A COUNCIL OF HONOR

This is a requirement for indexing, we think of 12 members, this is our proposal:


1. Hanumatpresaka Swami (USA)

2. Samaresh Bandyopadhyay (India)

3. Beverley Zabriskie (USA)

4. M. Darrol Bryant (Canadá)

5. Ramon Mujica Pinilla (Perú)

6. Héctor Béjar Rivera (Perú)

7. Raúl Zurita (Chile)

8. Cecilia Montero (Chile)

9. Bernardo Nante (Argentina)

10. Carlos Rúa (Argentina)

11. Itzel Barrera (México)

12. Mónica Cornejo (Spain)

Do you agree? any suggestions?

HpS - ?? No. I thnk some are too old?? Some are to busy.... Some I don't know: Hmmm.

- SOLARIS WEBSITE

This is another requirement for indexing (at the end of the report I attach a photo of the main mockup). At this point we want to consult you and the members of NIOS about the domain of the web, currently, we have these names reserved:

revistasolaris.org

solarisjournal.org

solarisnios.org

revista-solaris.org

solaris-journal.org

solaris-nios.org

revista.solaris.org

solaris.journal.org

solaris.nios.org


Miguel Polo and I like the domain: “revista.solaris.org”, we also like “solaris.nios.org”.

HpS - 'revists.solaris' doesn't seem as universal as 'solaris.nios'. Why can't the magazine be part of the exisiting NIOS webpage? I see that the Oxford Center Hindu Studies has two web sites. One for the Center: https://ochsonline.org/, and one for their journal: https://academic.oup.com/jhs, which is part of a general journal website run by Oxford University Press?

That is all for now

Hare Krishna Gurudeva, your insignificant servant, Abhiram Thakur das.

HpS-ASA - Thank you for this excellent report!! As we discussed with a lot of detail, we are only a member of the Advisory Board. With change Officers, Directors and Members, we need to get Solaris, fixed in its relationship with the new administration. Let us schedule a meeting with President, Abhiseka Singh, you, me, Miguel Polo, Gandharva Das(???). Maybe send us the final version and then Abhiseka can look at it and we can all use it as the basis for our discussion.



REPORTE SOBRE SOLARIS No 5 y EL PROCESO DE INDEXACIÓN


El No 5 de SOLARIS está listo al 98%, faltan solo unos pequeños detalles así que pronto entraremos a impresión. Por la misericordia de Nimai-Nitai, esperamos ofrecerle a Sri Ramacandra esta edición impresa el 25 de octubre como una ofrenda en el Glorioso RAMA-VIJAYA MAHOTSAVA. Justamente Gurudeva, ese día domingo 25, a nombre de las autoridades de ISKCON-Chosica, le pedimos nos brinde su auspiciosa guía espiritual dando la clase a las 11 am, hora de Lima-Perú. Está bien?


En cuanto al proceso de "indexación" va avanzando, como dije en el reporte anterior: “este proceso es bien importante porque permite que significativos sectores de la comunidad académica conozcan y lean la revista, pero para lograrlo se requiere hacer varios ajustes que requieren de mucha gestión y por lo tanto de mucho tiempo”.


En este sentido, tuve una reunión con Miguel Polo sobre este tema. Luego de dos horas de dialogo hemos considerado valiosa e importante, pero no fundamental, la indexación de SOLARIS, es decir, vamos a intentar lograr la meta de la indexación, pero sin renunciar a nuestra esencia de ser una ventana abierta donde toda la sociedad humana pueda ver y “TOMAR LO MEJOR DEL PASADO, APLICARLO EN EL PRESENTE Y CONSTRUIR UN FUTURO MEJOR PARA TODOS”. En resumen, SOLARIS debe ser indexada, vamos a hacer ajustes, pero sin perder nuestra identidad y terminar siendo una revista solo para la elite académica.


PASOS INMEDIATOS:

- SECCIONES: la propuesta es que el contenido se divida en: Ensayos, Artículos, Entrevistas, Reseña de libros y Portal Cultural. Por favor, alguna sugerencia?


- PERIODICIDAD: La meta es que partir del 2021 hagamos dos números por año (en junio y diciembre respectivamente). Por favor, alguna sugerencia?


- ENTREVISTAS: Gurudeva queremos pedirle que, en el No 6 de SOLARIS, usted entreviste a una de estas tres personalidades:

1.     SONU SHAMDASANI

2.     SAMARESH BANDYOPADHYAY

3.     BERNARDO NANTE

Si usted acepta y decide a quien entrevistar, nuestra unidad de gestión haría todas las coordinaciones con dicho académico para que usted no cargue más sus actividades, usted solo se centraría en hacer la entrevista, Esta bien?



- FORMACIÓN DE UN CONSEJO DE HONOR

Este es un requisito para la indexación, pensamos en 12 miembros, esta es nuestra propuesta:


1.      Hanumatpresaka Swami (USA)

2.      Samaresh Bandyopadhyay (India)

3.      Beverley Zabriskie (USA)

4.      M. Darrol Bryant (Canada)

5.      Ramon Mujica Pinilla (Perú)

6.      Héctor Béjar Rivera (Perú)

7.      Raúl Zurita (Chile)

8.      Cecilia Montero (Chile)

9.      Bernardo Nante (Argentina)

10.  Carlos Rúa (Argentina)

11.  Itzel Barrera (México)

12.  Mónica Cornejo (España)

Esta de acuerdo? alguna sugerencia?


- WEB SITE DE SOLARIS

Este es otro requisito para la indexación (al final del reporte anexo una foto de la maqueta principal). En este punto queremos consultarle a usted y a los miembros de NIOS acerca del dominio de la web, actualmente, tenemos reservados estos nombres:


revistasolaris.org

solarisjournal.org

solarisnios.org

revista-solaris.org

solaris-journal.org

solaris-nios.org

revista.solaris.org

solaris.journal.org

solaris.nios.org


A Miguel Polo y a mí nos gusta el dominio “revista.solaris.org”, también nos gusta “solaris.nios.org”.

Actualmente estamos en la fase final de la conformación de un equipo editorial internacional de 16 miembros lo cual le daría mayor dinamismo y agilidad a la revista en el próximo informe nos centraremos en ese punto, en ese sentido, si hay algún miembro del blog que quiere unirse a estos esfuerzos puede escribirnos a [email protected]


Hare Krishna Gurudeva, su insignificante sirviente, Abhiram Thakur das.


Olas de Devocion

4 years, 5 months ago by hps in Special Category A

[4:45 AM, 10/17/2020] Anandamaya Das: HK Gurudeva, pamho, TLGASP!! le envie el libro Olas de la Devoción en español tambien a su correo... 🙏🙏🙏

[11:06 AM, 10/17/2020] Hp Swami: the table of contents show all four parts of the ocean ie, east, south..., but the tranlastion only includes the east.  is there more? where from you got it?

[11:06 AM, 10/17/2020] Hp Swami: maybe it is bh. sastri usage?

Ayurveda y Pandemia

4 years, 5 months ago by hps in Special Category A

[2:23 AM, 10/15/2020] Rupanuga Das: https://www.facebook.com/120011391353052/videos/385226265849379/?sfnsn=mo

1.- UN RECUENTO DE PLANTAS QUE AUMENTAN EL METABOLISMO Y MEJORAN EL SISTEMA INMUNOLÓGICO. 

2.-COMO VENCER EL MIEDO.

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HpS/ASA -- TlgaSP. Que lastima, no podemos revisar esto. Comentarios de otros!?