Dietys as Our Children

11 years, 7 months ago by hps in Special Category A, Hot Topics

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paoho

Can we think of the ISKCON Deities as our children etc. Srila Prabhupada makes a summary study of Rupa Goswami's coments on this in NOD. 

http://vedabase.com/en/nod/16

As we remember, this is also Lord Kapila's advice to his mother, that she was already in the perfectional stage by thinking of Lord Kapila as her son, but she should do this with the perspective of the Sankhya yoga that He was teaching her.

We also remember that Srila Prabhupada states that the two people most likely to fall down in this movement are the Pujaris and the personal servants of the Spiritual Master. Familiarity breed contempt. To be protected from this they must always follow the etiquette of serving Guru and Deities.

Anyone else have and short comments?

comparison between mathematics and religion

Dear GM, PAMHO

AGTSP

AGTYH

              ASA - AGTSP paoho.  AGTYH (All Glories To Yellow Hobbits?).

From a Vaiṣṇava perspective, is there any validity to the comparison between mathematics and religion discussed below?

Thursday, October 24, 2013 An Interview with David Berlinski … But why should we take seriously religious beliefs that are lacking in evidence?

DB: We shouldn’t. But asking someone like Richard Dawkins about the evidence for God’s existence is a little like asking a quadruple amputee to run the marathon. The interesting point is elsewhere. There is no argument against religion that is not also an argument against mathematics. Mathematicians are capable of grasping a world of objects that lies beyond space and time …. … Come again …

DB: No need to come again: I got to where I was going the first time. The number four, after all, did not come into existence at a particular time, and it is not going to go out of existence at another time. It is neither here nor there. Nonetheless we are in some sense able to grasp the number by a faculty of our minds. Mathematical intuition is utterly mysterious. So for that matter is the fact that mathematical objects such as a Lie Group or a differentiable manifold have the power to interact with elementary particles or accelerating forces. But these are precisely the claims that theologians have always made as well – that human beings are capable by an exercise of their devotional abilities to come to some understanding of the deity; and the deity, although beyond space and time, is capable of interacting with material objects. …

And this is something that you, a secular Jew, believe? …

DB: What a question! I feel like I’m being interviewed by the Dean at some horrible community college. Do you believe in the university’s mission – that sort of thing. Look, I have no religious convictions and no religious beliefs. What I do believe is that theology is no more an impossible achievement than mathematics. The same rational standards apply. Does the system make sense; does it explain something? Are there deep principles at work. Is it productive? http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/10/found-upon-web-and-reprinted-here.html

HpS - Jaya!  Wonderful!  AGTSP.  Paoho.  We have seen other Youtube things on Berlinski. He is very nice person in many ways. His arguments seem totally valid. I think the problem in comparison with Bhagavata philosophy is the definition of what is Mathematics? As I remember the Britannica says that there is no real clear defition of the scope, validity or methodology of what is Mathematics. What is the boundary between Mathematics and Logic? Mathematics and English Grammar, Sanskrit Grammar, Fortran, C++?

In the LOB Prabhupada uses a classical description, Physics is the King of the Sciences and Mathematics is the Queen.

In general, Mathematics would seem to deal with Jnana level of things and Krsna is quite approachable on that level, but Berlinski seems to be going beyond that to the obvious source of Mathematics which is intuitive, Corrollarys, Postulates, Axioms.

Thank you. What is Mathematics?

news from the frontlines

11 years, 8 months ago by Raulmontreal in Special Category A

AGTSP !!

Please accept our humble obeisances

Dear maharaja

We continue distributing books and finding a deeper meaning, rasa, need, and joy in doing it.  We have to communicate in French and English here in Montreal and be really sharp in the preaching when passers by require a bit more of info. We have Life comes from Life in french as well as Isopanishad plus Higher Taste,

HpS - ASA - Jaya!!!!  Isopanisad is so general that the verses appeal to many people. "Oh, that's the same God I worship! Let me read about that!"

bhaktina teresa (bs.as) - Jesukristo

  TODAS LAS GLORIAS A SRI SRI GAURA NITAI, TLGSP Y MIS RESPETUOSAS REVERENCIAS A USTED GURU MAHARAJA! 

MAHA HARI PRABHU ESTA MUY BIEN COMO SIEMPRE ENCARGADO DE LOS SERVICIOS Y CUIDANDO DE SUS DEVOTOS.... SI LEYENDO C.CARITAMRTA ADI LILA!!! SOBRE SRI ADVAITA AUNQE POR MI IGNORANCIA MUCHO NO PUEDO ENTENDER...ALLER ESTUVE LEYENDO EL NUEVO TESTAMENTO HACIENDO COMPARACIONES DE JESUS Y EL SEÑOR CAITANYA O EL SEÑOR NITYANANDA ¿TIENEN MUCHAS SIMILITUDES NO GM?...

            HpS - TlgaSP. Si, Predicando. Prabhupada dijo que Senor Jesukristo es nuestra Guru! 

Puede ver en la Biblia que era (es) una situacion muy fuerte, personas condenado por su Karma vivir donde no hay agua. Entonces TIENE que matar animales (y seres humanos) para vivir. Si, con la misericordia de un Guru puede adjustar mucho. Pienso aun mejor son los historias de los Santos. Posible Teresa de Avila, su libro. Pero muy bien es el libro Krsna!!!

Buena suerte con su predica!!!

Mas noticias del Yatra..

Reading Upadesamruta

Hare Krishna Maharaj,

Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Gurudev.

We very happy and absolutely ready to read Upadesamruta under your direction and to do the home work along with reading Srila Prabhupad's biography.

At present. I'm reading Bhagavad Gita and things which were not clear earlier, slowly revealing the true meaning. And also reading a bit Srimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Charitamruta (when they are referenced in BG).

Slowly experiencing the difference between "understanding" and "following/practicing".

Hope to serve the LORD and devotees with you mercy and blessings.

Your humble servant

Subhala sakha Das

              HpS - ASA - Very nice. AGTSP.  Paoho.  How is the family? Who is in the family? Who are your primary associates in Mayapura? How do you make your money. A picture and description of your home altar!!

Our ASA, NOI study guide is at http://www.jayarama.us/archives/tpp-noi.doc

What do you think of it?  Maybe you could edit it and we could co-publish it.

We get to Kolkatta on the 10th morning, February, and then get to Mayapura like 15th evening. We will stay until 24th, then go to Vrndavan and back to USA 1st March! [Lord Vasudeva willing]

Yessss, understanding is Jnana yoga and applying is Bhakti yoga. Of course they are very related, no? If you don't understand then how can you apply? What is family studying?

SUPER -AmbDas- Jung!!!

hare krsna 
agtsp all glories to you guru dev. 

we are improving our chanting  and sadhana now we perform two mangala arati per week with more devotees  and i m traying to be on japa joe more days. i m reading BG and NOI. 

we are organizing the vyasa puja festival and the conference of carl jung and baghavata [bhagavata] here in Buenos aires. i was talking with psychologists and they say that  now the influence of Freud it is not the most strong it s more stronger Lacan who hate Jung, but these is a world of duality and there more than 2 jung s organization in Bs As and thousand of yoga centers, centers of metaphysics and a reborn of enthusiastic Christian people due to the Pope is Argentinian.

HpS - AGTSP!!!!!    We are also improving our Sadhana and chanting. Thank you for your leadership!      When we were in Mexico the King said that Eric Fromm was the prominent Dude for a long time there.
Who is Lacan?  Why he doesn't like Jung? Why don't you call him up for us and say, "Hey, Sri Lacan Ji, why you don't like Jung? My Professor, Hanumatpresaka Swami (Professor Huber Hutchin Robinson) is coming to Argentina January first. He want to meet with you, find out who you are.

Even if they do not like Jung at least he is someone they know and then we can introduce them to the Bhagavata perspective from a perspective they know.

 i attach a link of a conference of carl jung with spanish subtitle , interesting points of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVdfKKxvRSk

 
A, few week ago Vrsabhanu nandini and i were invited to Buenos Aires Photo, one of the most important exhibition of photo in latin america. was visited for more than 35,000 person and the people were very attract by the photos, india and the writings on the wall who describe and summarize concept of vaisnava philosophy. many question and we were there tolking with them.  we distribute many LOB, some george harrison and the mantra. one day people of galleries and authorities of the cultural center come to us and ask if we can come with musician and performs some chanting and mantras. next day we went with deva rsi narada prabhu, bhimanat prabhu and madhuriambrta to glorify the krsna on that way. Krsna did the magic we only were there.
thank you guru dev for the inspiration, example, instruction and advise.
aspiring to serve Ambarisa m Das
 
Some photos of the exhibition attach.
HpS - ASA - How is ur Father, Mother? You got brother (sister), no? Your dog sends messages from heaven? We visit your house when we are in BsAs???
 
You like www.jayarama.us/gasa? You see the two links in it???  Should we change it? ART gave you name and password for your jayarama.us/bio domain?
 
We have an art exhibition in the Temple while we are there? A cultural program every night? Puppet shows?  Many people bring art and show? Marathon prizes!  Release Jambavati's audio book?
 
The Jung link is super. We watched to 10''. We watch more later. Can see he has so much nice passion for his work. Vedas also deal with dream interpretation. Srila Prabhupada took Sannyasa because of dream interpretation. Is whole useful world for book distribution!!!