Nitai-Gauranga: Revenge movies, kung fu, virat purusa

3 years, 8 months ago by harsh_horse in Special Category A

hare krsna maharaj,

little bit informal,

can you bless us to be orchestra man, in his (krsnas) fight scenes, his arrival in his kingdom?

HpS - Arrival in Dvaraka or arrival in Mathura? There are no fight scenes when he arrives in Dvaraka in the first canto. Later when He arrives at fights Salva there is fight. Do you want to play trombone or write the music?

being very informal again.

i thank you for nice lectures, esp on theatre and movies, viola saplin, virat purusa, THE ENVIRONMENT,

even in mundane movies we can see their presence.

movie-pictures in snake of sound (aghasura).

again informal,

people like you are rare, like us rare, and rare is the meeting and hearing.

ASA - Oink! Oink! Whoop! WHoop!

please bless us again all mundane things in this world we can as reflection of krsna lila (even untold) with sound.

HpS - Whatever work you have done in KC has become a part of your heart, even if you don't see much change externally. Eventually the heart will seize control of the external world.

dancing horse,

let us chant and dance in diff time and space. and let ENVIRONMENT connect it



KDPC Nitai-Gauranga / Molinos de Viento 3ra Edición

3 years, 8 months ago by bhaktapiero in Special Category A

Hare Krishna Gurudeva

Por favor acepte mis respetuosas reverencias

Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada

Link de la revista: 

https://issuu.com/iskconchile/docs/pg_molinos_de_viento_3

Ya estamos en la 3ra edición de nuestra revista Molinos de Viento. Como le había comentado hace un tiempo, en esta edición quisimos tratar el tema del cuidado al devoto y a las personas en general. 


Fue un trabajo interesante, estamos tratando de entender cuáles son las necesidades del yatra y cómo poder ayudar en la formación de una cultura sana para seguir expandiendo el movimiento en Chile. 


http://iskcon.cl/molinosdeviento/


Este es el link de nuestra página de Iskcon Chile, allí se encuentran los 3 números de la revista. 


En esta ocasión participaron: 


Dirección:


Piyari Mohan Das


Producción:

Cintamani Madhavi Devi Dasi


Diseño Portada:

Carolina Ortiz


Apoyo edición:

Gopinath Martínez

Carlos Rold

Sruti Priya Devi Dasi


Apoyo traducción:

Priya Santa Devi Dasi


Escritores de los artículos:


Madan Mohan Das

Ananta Shila Das

Citra Devi Dasi

Vishvanath Cakravati Thakur

Jagad Guru Das

Govinda Damodar Das

Su Gracia Mahatma Das

Jay Sri Devi Dasi

Radhika Ramana Devi Dasi

Manu Hari Avendaño

Su Gracia Baladeva Das


Pienso que el próximo número puede tratar sobre el liderazgo. 

Muchas gracias Gurudeva, la meta es pasar sobre las 6 ediciones y mantenerlo en el tiempo. 

Mis reverencias.

Su payaso

Piyari Mohan das.

ASA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7VlD66ISM By every service we get more knowldge how to serve better. By the 6th issue you will have solid suscribers etc.

What next?

Hare Krishna Respected Gurudeva,

Please accept my humble obeiscances.

HpS - AGTSP!!!!! Like fresh air hearing from you. Mera bharata mahan hay!

I am very grateful for the reply, you offered in "https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11516/"

Thank you so much for the answer. I am sorry, for troubling you with 'gmail letters.

How do we deal with these situations in ISKCON where people take advantage of the institution to increment their own personal prestige, wealth and prosperity. I think you have some idea of the particular details of this within our Indian perspective.

HpS - Are we ready to die for Srila Prabhupada? Yes, in many ways. Of course, we have a lot more to learn about this "we". Many subtle attachments "we" have to understand and kill yet. That is first. Understand what your relationship to Srila Prabhupada, our Founder-Achaya is. Then make friendship with other followers of Srila Prabhupada and then 3rd deal with ISKCON, the institution, in terms of practical decision.

There is a French phrase: No, man can sink so low that some dog, or some woman will not love him. So, there will always be value for us and our friends to use with the institution.

Who are your friends? I am one!!!!! Anybody else?

Devotees here, in Kutam, Ranchi are currently not under ISKCON management. However, they have full blessings and supports from HH Bhakti Raghav Swami Maharaja. On 9th September he offered online initiation to around 30 devotees. Maharaja has plans to shift here after the lockdown ends. Here, they have made a library, collecting books on Vedas etc from Varanasi. They plan to make it a big library with as many Vaishnava literatures as possible. Currently all Vedas, Puranas and many other scriptures are available.

These devotees also run a small gurukula, where students are given both Vedic and modern education. There were 80 students, but after lockdown, currently 20 have come back. Education, accommodation and prasadam and completely free. They have been offered land by many different people and soon, at least 5 more new gurukulas in different parts of India will start. The special focus would be about training Ksatriyas, as HH Bahkti Raghav Swami Maharaja desires.

I relished doing small service to Gomata. I learned at least some aspect of go-seva and I understood one thing- Gomata is very personal in dealing.

Another thing- I have registered for an online M.A. (Sanskrit) through IGNOU (Indira Gandhi National Open University). Let's see how things move ahead.


Thank you Maharaja for being a great source of inspiration in my spiritual life. Please forgive me for my shortcomings and expertise in fault finding.

Your aspiring servant,

Purushottam Keshav Das

HpS --- What is a doctor but a fault finder!!! Fault finders are some of the most important people in the society, no???? Who are your ISKCON friends?

KDPC Nitai-Gauranga: request for work in devil's workshop

3 years, 8 months ago by harsh_horse in Special Category A

Hare Krsna Maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP,

The example of Logos in 9th Sept 2020 and slight talk hit us some where.

We could relate to example of Girl, dad and following ISKCON. You might be humble enough that you would like to use you in service of Srila Prabhupada. But the fact is we are sticking to ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada some how due to you only.

In India we seem to be beast, who can not connect to common people and etiquette. We are of not use to temple management except some physical service. We dont have the ability to see every thing as part of Krsna always (some times we do exhibit).

In search of meaning we have waited long, but after knowing the purpose of soul life, we some times fight blame (effort without patience).

Our wife and kid are not staying with us, we some how liking this arrangement, not much fight. Life is not that bad (self-fish) but at least not causing trouble to others.

We know you will leave this earth in some time, we dont know what we would do when you are gone.

HpS - Neither do I. We had a life before this one. How much do we remember, but we think that certain broad tendencys are there. So we work for our future ambience, not for specific details. Eg. next life take birth in family of devotees! Good op for ed from early age and continuous. Become great heros!

we also know we need to spend more years in human life to become more qualified. We will try to pass years by reading your letters, lectures etc.

Anyways can you give us some work we can dot for NIOS, LTE, MOE. Our current state is not that encouraging, but we have time on our disposition. we can invest that for you.

horse waiting to be briddled and rided

HpS - We will put your request before the Supreme Absolute Undifferentiated Commando of ASA and see what they say. I think they want some one for a suicide mission behind enemy lines to place time bombs and then try to escape.

Muy Urgente-mercy por mes de Purusottama!!!

3 years, 8 months ago by YugalaKD in Special Category A

HK pamho Jay Gurudeva!!! muchas gracias por su respuesta, sólo hago de mensajera, ese es el deseo de madre Nitya Kinkari con la venia de Prabhu Karuna, autoridades del Yatra de Chosica. En Perú según mandato presidencial aún no está permitido el ingreso de ciudadanos a las iglesias. El templo de Chosica está cerca a la comisaria. Sólo vamos los que atendemos a las deidades y se les atiende justo en mangala. Y los adultos mayores, público en riesgo, con más razón no pueden ingresar, todos los programas son on line. Como Ud. ya tiene un programa de rondas, las autoridades de Chosica desean intensificar el canto y el sadhana en los seguidores on line. Sólo por el auspicioso mes de Purusottama. Y sólo se pasará mangala y canto, el chat si es privado sólo para los seguidores de Gotomeeting. Este programa se trasmitiría por el Facebook de Chosica. Los colaboradores de Chosica verán lo de la trasmisión, sólo falta su aprobación. En estos días se anuncian los programas del Mes. Por favor denos su misericordia.

Haribolo tratando de servir su hija que lo adora:

Yugala Kishora Dasi

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HK pamho Jay Gurudeva !!! Thank you very much for your answer, I am only acting as a messenger, that is the wish of mother Nitya Kinkari with the permission of Prabhu Karuna, authorities of the Yatra of Chosica. In Peru, according to presidential mandate, citizens are not yet allowed into churches. The Chosica temple is close to the police station. We only go to those who attend to the deities and they are treated right in mangala. And older adults, public at risk, even more so cannot enter, all programs are online. As you already have a program of rounds, the Chosica authorities wish to intensify chanting and sadhana among the online followers. Just for the auspicious month of Purusottama. And only mangala and singing will be passed, the chat if it is private only for the followers of Gotomeeting. This program would be broadcast on Chosica's Facebook. Chosica collaborators will see about the transmission, they just need their approval. These days the programs of the Month are announced. Please give us your mercy.

Haribolo trying to serve his daughter who adores him:

Yugala Kishora Dasi

HpS - Si!! -[;0]/\___

VAD - Vanara Ashrama Dharma

3 years, 8 months ago by hps in Special Category A

Laksmana agra ja Das

To:

HpS (HHR)

Tue, Sep 8 at 5:31 AM

Dear gurudeva, and devoted regular readers of this blog.

Please accept my respectful obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

 This time I am going to present my humble perspective on the issue of administration at ISKCON. Of course it is a vision limited only to my experience in the Andean zone. I have taken ideas from HH Hanumatpresaka swami and the advice received by great devotees who accompanied me in my experience in administration, and my few studies of the sastra. I do not intend to cover all the issues, they are just some topics of my concern and interest. They are just like headlines that I will expand at some point. Perhaps I am wrong in many of the ideas. Anyway, here they go.

1.- The administrator is a ksatriya?

 In this age there are no pure ksatriyas. We all have a sudric dimension and we are actually a combination of several things. My spiritual master says that he is Brahmana-brahmana-brahmana-sudra. I consider myself brahmana-brahmana- (a little bit) ksatriya-sudra. And so we all have our combination. Therefore, we cannot expect perfection, to have an M. Pariksit in management. There will always be shortcomings.

2.- What is their qualification?

 Srila Prabhupada says that if one has a good spiritual life, the administration will handle it with the tip of the finger. This does not mean that you should believe that everything will be done by magic. You must, at least, follow some administration course like the one given by ISKCON. An administrator must be an expert in satra to solve problems with a sastra saksu vision, but should not be a teacher. Ideally, you should have some systematic course like bhakti sastri. However, the most important thing is that you should be rendered to  Srila Prabhupada instructions and be empathetic, interested in the welfare of the devotees.

3.- Protection and care of the devotees

The administrator's first duty is to protect those under his command. The word ksatriya literally means "wound" and "avoid," that is, to protect the devotees from adversity. Protection means first protecting the spiritual life of the devotees. Make sure they chant their rounds, that they follow the principles, attend the programas, etc.  And if possible, especially those who perform dedicated service, make sure they have a roof, prasadam, some kind of insurance, an allowance if possible. Then the devotee will do voluntary service and will not be distressed because they do not have time to work and do dedicated service at the same time.

HpS - AGTSP!! Paoho. These are very nice!!! We are so tired. Headache. So we will stop reading here, now, 2020 sep 9, 8.12PM and come back to the rest later. Very nice. Looking forward as you may go into more detail, but such a nice foundation.


4.- Surrender vs Protection

 The problem is that administrators often demand surrender, service, obedience without sufficient protection. Then they complain that the devotees do not cooperate and the devotees are not very encouraged to do service because of their many obligations. They often demand blind obedience. “Because yes, because it is. Because I say so ”. Many devotees do service out of inspiration rather than instruction. "…both blind following and absurd inquiries are condemned." BG 4.34

 

5.- The authority as inspiration

 Devotees will be very cooperative when inspired by authority. The administrator must be at the foot of the canyon. We say in Spanish. Be present, inspiring, motivating, encouraging. Sometimes they believe that unmotivated and unflinching service is something that comes out of the blue. Something that is given for obvious and they do not see the human dimension of the person. Sometimes they are like absent parents. Not all devotees are self motivated. A leader is someone who is capable of seeing people's gifts and helping them to put them at the service of the institution. Look for talents in various areas so that a climate of cooperation is created. Often times talented devotees put their talents in other institutions because they do not feel welcomed in ISKCON.

 

6.- Leader vs administrator

 In my opinion, they are not the same. An administrator in ISKCON has to earn his leadership. Leadership is not something that comes automatically with position. The characteristics of a leader are diverse. And you generally see administrators-managers in ISKCON, very few leaders. A leader has the ability to summon naturally. The capacity to nuclear efforts, to know the needs, interests and concerns and to address them intelligently by working with the community. Among other things.

 

7.- The administration in ISKCON, an ideal place to express our propensity to be the controller

 This was said by HH HDG at a conference. If we are not careful, an administrative position can confuse us and develop undesirable things like pride, arrogance, roughness. We become authoritarian and eventually abuse and take advantage of our position. Then nepotism arises, a mafia mentality, and we turn in to the dark side. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" We begin to distrust critical and intelligent devotees and try to get rid of them. We see ghosts and plots everywhere. Fear arises because we believe our position is threatened. We polarize opinion and stances, "You are with me or against me" We work with our loyal followers, who also benefit. Therefore, the administrator must be very careful in his sadhana, his spiritual life, Srila Prabhupada reading, principles, take advice from qualified  brahmanas, etc.

 

8.- The urgent vs the important

 Many times administrators are rushing to meet immediate schedules, to pay bills, and do not take time to organize important things. And they may not have much time, but they must manage well what little they do have. Someone said that administrative meetings have to be 70% preaching and 30% problems, temporary things. We see that in reality it is not fulfilled. Why?

 

9.- Administrators are also human beings

 It is very common for us to complain about the shortcomings of the administrators, but they also have challenges in maintaining their own homes and pushing Srila Prabhupada's mission. We are very unfair to them. And as a former administrator said. “This service is very thankless. They criticize you, they call you a thief, an opportunist, an incompetent. And when you no longer serve they get rid of you, and you end up skinny, sick, old, full of debts in your home and no one thanks you. " On the other hand, because they are fallible human beings, there is no such thing as papal infallibility in authority. They should be self-critical, accept mistakes, and ask for advice.

 

10.- The administration must know how to ask for help

 Management many times, almost always, does not have enough time to get things done. Instead of getting entangled in it, they should  know how to ask devotees for help and incorporate them into some secondary administrative position. In charge of books, preaching and other aspects. So that everything can run properly. The bad tendency is to monopolize the management, that results in inefficiency.

 

11.- Internal institutional communication

 Communication is not incidental, it must be constant. The authorities must communicate what they do to encourage others to support them. They have to launch projects all the time. Inspire, encourage devotees through the use of social media or any other means. They should not only publish festivals and formal things. Worse still, sometimes only negative things are communicated such as sanction for a devotee. So they complain when devotees say that the authorities do nothing. May be they do many things, but since the devotees do not find out, they are not inspired to participate, they are not informed, then authorities lose their credibility.

 

12.- Round trip communication

 In the daily affairs there must be a fluid communication between the authorities and the devotees in general. They should ask for opinions, encourage initiative. Make the devotees feel that they are an important part of the temple. If they do not do that, devotees have the impression that the temple is of this or that authority, they do not feel part of it. But something more important still is that communication has to start from authority, create a cycle of exchanges. But if they are in their offices, busy with their own affairs, waiting for the devotees to take the initiative, it does not go much further. The authority has to be proactive in this regard.

 

13.- The organization will never be completely organized

 A few years ago GBC representatives came to Peru to help with the administration. His idea was to fix the administration and then devote to the affairs of preaching. After all we are Lord Caitanya's Sankirtan movement. My spiritual master suggested that the two situations should be faced simultaneously, administration and preaching. After a couple of years, neither the administration nor the preaching was fixed. We should not expect perfection in this area. Let's develop all areas simultaneously.

 

14.- We are the Sankirtan movement of Lord Caitanya

 Like an army, all areas have to be articulated to achieve the objectives. But apparently each area does its job without much coordination between them. The authority has to be able to amalgamate the different areas, articulate them. For example, the educational area can do a lot, but if it is not properly assembled with the administration, it will not be as effective as it should, etc. And the devotees in particular do what they can. That is why what I call “the sniper syndrome” arises. Each one does what they can, without being articulated. And the authority not only does not encourage initiatives but is dedicated to pointing out those who have any initiative as "independent", capricious, rebellious, not authorized, and so on. Instead of looking for them, chatting, restoring trust with them, and bringing them into the system for the benefit of all. A war is not won with snipers, but with a properly assembled army.

 

15.- Cooperation and unity in diversity

 I always put these two concepts together. We all cooperate with the ISKCON mission, but I do my service with my friends, with people who have a natural empathy, who agree on details, etc. I do my best to develop patience and humility with everyone, but naturally I hang out with people who have the same inclinations. Pujari team, book distribution team, education team, etc. Working in a coordinated way. Both concepts simultaneously.

 

16.-The temple is a project of the whole community

 Managers need to be visionary, not just keep what's out there. You must have a strategic plan that involves everyone. A strategy  can be to write a document to take it to a general assembly to collect the ideas of the devotees, suggestions, etc. In this way the devotees will be involved, included, therefore the success of the plan is practically assured. But if administrators with a backward and outdated understanding of the verticality of authority are locked in their office deciding for everyone there will never be progress. Devotees should feel like real ISKCON members, important, indispensable members. Otherwise the devotees will believe that ISKCON is the administration and when things do not go well, they will say ISKCON is not doing well.

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These are just some ideas, some suggestions, from my limited vision.

 I was in the administration and surely I made many mistakes. But I learned and that is why I dare to put these ideas. Like brain storm. It is not a document based on theory, I have not even properly quoted Srila Prabhupada, things that you already know better than I do.

I was inspired to write this little document due to an article by HH HpS on the topic, and because I recently was involved and finally I resigned as secretary of the legal board of ISKCON Peru. I wrote a letter to the GBC where I simply and honestly stated that in reality the administration is not my best contribution to Srila Prabhupada's mission. I considered that something I can help in education, that I have been trained for that. I am finishing facilitation course 3 with Param padam Prabhu and I am also working on my master's thesis in education. All to improve my service as a teacher at ISKCON and with other people who work outside ISKCON.

(Edit this, please: To my surprise, unofficially, a friend told me that some  authorities are spreading the idea that I resigned, in collusion with other authorities, to take the position of president. When I heard that theory, I couldn't believe it, it was surreal and completely crazy. I just had to laugh at that bad joke. Maybe it's not true, but I found it funny and it's not worth finding out who did it or take it seriously. Anyway, that reinforced my idea to dedicate myself to other area)

Of course, there are also many dedicated administrators with great vision, but sadly there are few. I am in education because I want to help devotees to train not to keep making the same mistakes but to properly honor Srila Prabhupada's legacy.

 Thank you very much.

Your servant,

Laksmana-agraja das