practical ways to let go illicit sex fom a fallen man

8 years, 7 months ago by harsh_horse in Special Category A, Hot Topics
ASA - AgtSP. Paoho. Mr. Horse. Thank many times for the following letter. Honestly we were having to restrain our tears while we read it. Such clear, potent, broad information can only come about as the result years of INTENSE personal sacrifice. Thank you. Please edit it a little for grammar etc. and then distribute it all over the known world! We hope some Grhasta devotees make comments. Thank you so much.

hare krsna maharaj. pamho.agtsp.
hope you have complete your trip in Peru.
I will write another letter to you regarding book publishing/distributing efforts in Mumbai.
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I remember once you said, if i contribute to this blog, it would be good help to you. Hence I am writing on a topic which I think is very much relevant for many blog readers ( it was for me atleast).
i am also writing this because as a Sannyasi I think it is uncomfortable for you to write on this topic in detail.
Whatever I am writing HH HpS you can modify them at his will.

My Background and qualification to write any suggestion on this matter:
I have been  watching and hearing illicit sex from the age of 16 years (currently i am 30), but now I have stopped it completely. Due to this problem i married, but i preferred to  have a kid. My struggle for last 10 years has  given me tangible results, though i could have easily obtained more if i would been just a little more austere and sincere.

To whom this points are meant for:  Anybody in this world suffering from this disease, but I would restrain it to any one in touch with ISKCON and not able to follow one of the regulative principle of illicit sex. I expect boys to have suffering more from this disease. Hence this suggestions will be less relevant to girls (but not irrelevant) 

definition: illicit sex- there are many concepts but broadlym they fit in [a] sex outside marriage [b] sex without desiring producing KC kids.
In my understanding i stick to defnition mentioned in NOI 1 as it is definitely what Srila Prabhupada wants 


"In a similar manner, the urges of the genitals, the sex impulse, can be controlled when not used unnecessarily. The genitals should be used to beget a Kṛṣṇa conscious child, otherwise they should not be used. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement encourages marriage not for the satisfaction of the genitals but for the begetting of Kṛṣṇa conscious children. As soon as the children are a little grown up, they are sent to our gurukula school, where they are trained to become fully Kṛṣṇa conscious devotees. Many such Kṛṣṇa conscious children are required, and one who is capable of bringing forth Kṛṣṇa conscious offspring is allowed to utilize his genitals".

 suggestions
1. Please stick to above definition of NOI-1, even if you can not follow it. We should not change our goals just because we can not acheive it or think it is diffiult to acheive it.

2. Honesty is the first step in improving., So if you are indulging in illicit sex, please accept it. And pray to vaisnavas, Guru Parampara and Krsna to recover from this evil disease.

3.Stick  to canto 1 and 2 in SB. in 2.2.12 (SB ) it is
" So purification means getting free gradually from sex desire, and this is attained by meditation on the person of the Lord as described herein, beginning from the feet. One should not try to go upwards artificially without seeing for himself how much he has been released from the sex desire".

4. Accept this at face value "illicit sex casue violence (physical/verbal)" it is not pleasure but only pain as Krsna is absent from it. 

5. Dont watch/hear any illicit material as it violates both definitions. If you are single  and can not follow such defintion then in my understanding one should accept his fallen condition and get married. If you are already married then its better to produce kids, then indulging in such activities. I have done some reasearch on moral harmful effects of this "ILLICIT INDUSTRY", its living hell.

6. Many men think we dont have income to support Kids and we can not control our desire, hence they indulge in this activity violating real definition and justify themselves by definition A. In my experience Kids help you to purify this desire. Practicaly speaking
      i. Kids take up lot of your time, hence you dont have resources to indulge in
      ii. If you keep on mediating that this Kids should be trained in KC, you will purify yourself ( even if you have      
          flashbacks due to sinful youth)
      iii. Kids give you higher enjoyment than enjoyment of genitals (even if you just think of your happiness than
           Krsna's).
Regarding less income or  resources ( hence the concept of over population): Its better to give children happy(happiness is state of mind not possession of assets) and moral home, rather than giving amenities and fees to pursue higher degree. Krsna wont let your child starve!!!!!

 7. Its strange one female doctor asked me to indulge in illcit sex (just violating definition NOI not defnition A )as it will reduce anger and improve relationship with my spouse. I tried it , but found it was wrong.  As written before ILLICIT SEX (according to NOI ) causes  violence. Lots of marital conflict between spouses can be reduced if we stick to NOI definition.
Its better to built relationship with spouse on higher platform( god, guru, temple, nation, community,kid ) than just animalist genital level.

8. If your wife thinks she needs to work instead of begitting kids. As a caring husband please tell her facts compassionately. Its natural for women to have and play with kids (even Materialistic agrees with it). If she is working to support you, tell her to relax then you(man) take this task at hand.  You put your trust in Krsna & Guru Parampara, they will be happy with such honest endeavor.
Another reason women prefer to work outside is self-esteem. They feel satisfied in work outside. This is primarily because the husband mistreats her or treat her just like maidservant, cook and nanny. This is wrong, she is doing great service to Krsna and man kind by JUST taking care of kids and home. Praise her austerity genuinely and see SB guidelines how to treat wife.

9. Many men think they dont themselves dont need sex , but their wife does, so they indulge in it. In my understanding women can be happy in peaceful home,with a respecting and caring husband, and basic mateiral comforts.  If she does not get these then her sex desire might be more. Secondly if she is really (lusty), then tell her, there are no free lunches in this material world (atleast be a Karmi).  The price for having sex is to care of Kid for atelast 20 years.

9.  Outside  you will see many women (advertisement or workplace) dressed inappropriately. Have compassion on them as they are being misled that way to be happy is to flaunt one self and have wealth.

10. These are general guidelines, one may need to adjust details personally 

thank you Maharaj for reading- I hope this helps me follow the definition of NOI-1 more strcitly.

 regards,
passionate horse

Priya Sakhi Devi Dasi (Veganism)

8 years, 7 months ago by priyasakhi in Personal Sadhana Reports, Special Category A

Hare Krishna Guru Maharaja.

Por favor acepte mis respetuosas reverencias.

Todas las glorias sean para Srila Prabhupada!

Espero que se encuentre muy bien de salud.

HpS - 67 anos!  Bajo energia por la predica pero bien. Espamos descansar un poco la proxima semana.

Le escribo para reportar mi servicio.

Terminamos el estudio del Bhagavad Gita, y realizaremos un exámen de todo el libro, antes de comenzar con Néctar de la Devoción y demás libros. Terminamos en octubre con éste curso, y luego de ello pienso retomar el proyecto de  escuela para los niños.

HpS - Vd es profesor, no?

Continúo con la organización de Talleres y cursos en el templo. En breve comenzaremos con 2 talleres para niños. Uno de música; canto coral y mantras con Madre Cynthia Farias, y un taller de Yoga con Madre Gandharvika Radhika.

HpS - ASA - Super!  Pienso estas cursos cortas son los mejores.

Quiero además contarle que estamos esperando un nuevo bebé. Ya tiene 3 semanas 1/2, y estamos muy felices. Esperamos que crezca sano (a) y sea un devoto (a). Continuaré con el Instructorado de Yoga.

HpS - Bien. Mucha austeridad para Vd. como Madre!

Una de mis profesoras está muy cercana a los devotos de Krishna, y otro compañero muy interesado siempre en la filosofía y nuestra cultura..

La familia está bien. 

...

También quiero hacerle una consulta.

¿Cuál es Su opinión acerca de dejar de consumir lácteos que no vengan de una vaca feliz (vaca que no es maltratada en las industrias)?

Escucho de muchos devotos decir que no se deben consumir lácteos ya que el maltrato que sufren las vacas en la industria lechera es horrible. Y he sabido que algunos Maestros Espirituales no consumen lácteos, pero hasta ahora no he escuchado a ninguno "predicar" el "Veganismo", o decir algo en cuánto a éste tema. Si, me interesa mucho saber qué piensa usted.

HpS - ASA - [translate.google.com].  Our understanding is that the treatment of animals in the USA has improved since the time of Prabhupada because of the efforts of several groups. In Chile it may be worse. Prabhupada knew of some of these problems but promoted the use of milk in offering to Krsna and consuming the results. Meat eaters need milk products to give up meat. If we live in the forest then maybe Brahmanas don't need milk, but for mental strength to advise the King and preach then seems the brain needs milk.

Of course we look for the best milk. In California there is a big difference in the way th cows are treated and the quality of the milk from different companies.

The best way to help the cows is Sankirtan Yajna. For that we need brain power, so we use their mik to help them.

O.K?

Esperando que ésta carta lo encuentre bien.

Su sirviente 

Priya Sakhi DD

HpS - Gracias!   Reverencias a todos lo devotos. Pienso venimos a Chile en Enero!

HARE KRISHNA

Respected Guru Maharaj,

Please accept my humble obeisances.  All glories to Srila Prabhupad.

I went to twitter and listened the lecture on start meeting with Nitai Gaur prabhu, it was so nice.  I was going to ask you that you should also put this link in your Monkeywarrior home page and it is already there, Jaya. Guruji! kindly do this every time, that you also put the link on this website, since someone may not have the twitter acct and thus, they would be bereft of the opportunity to listen.

Guruji! have your chalked out your indian program, any rough sketch? In one of your news letter you mentioned that you would be going to Manipur, would you also be going to your usual places of pilgrimage like Naimisharanya and Lucknow etc. and Vrindavan/Mayapur or would you like to go to Punjab?

Here in Brisbane, everything is OK, my job is always up and down, but my chanting 16 rounds good quality, now-a-days I m reading Bhagvad Gita As It Is and sometimes, I go online and see the commentaries of different Acharayas on the same verse, it is really interesting.

Priya and children are excited to join you next year during your Indian journey, hope Krishna provides enough by that time.

Thanks and HARE KRISHNA.

yours servant,

Raktak Das

HpS - ASA -- AGTSP...  paoho...  We hope you are making nice progress in all of the basic principles of Sadhana, no?       For example, if someone is attached to sports activities, like gambling, then he is lacking part of the foundation to his Bhakti-lata and it will grow, but slowly and even with distortion, so we all have to understand these priority items of Sadhana Bhakti: Sixteen enthusiastic rounds minimum, four-principles strictly, a full Brahma-muhurta, morning program . . .   Sankirtan!

Then from Vaidhi-bhakti we can progress to Raga-anuga Bhakti very naturally (BG 4.10 Purport!).

First is am I?      Guess we are a mostly a writer at this point in life.   Who is the Raktaka Das?

Second is who are we?      For India we have Dr. Samaresh, Rama-giri-dhari Das, Yamuna in Manipur, Indian disciples and friends (Eg. Vasu Gosh), other Yatris like yourself and the Gopinatha Pujari. . . .

Third we make some plan where to go when....

Who are you?!

feliz guru purnima !!!

8 years, 8 months ago by pankaja anghri das in Special Category A

- espero que se encuentre bien,donde este usted. siempre recordandolo en todo momento y pidiendo sus bendiciones para poder  prestar mejor servicio al projimo en todo momento y la verdad que funciona ,solo por meditar en su forma la deidad me otorga la oportunidad de poder estar en asociacion con vaishanavas y asi junto a ellos hacer sadhu-sanga todas las semanas ininterrumpidamente.esta practica en el bhajan despierta mi memoria dia a dia de entender que soy un eterno sirviente y amante de la divina pareja sri sri radha syama sundara.

- ofresco ante todo mis respetuosas reverencias a los pies de loto de mi maestro espiritual iniciador y

de todos mis maestros espirituales instructores. - 

 

- el veredicto de todas las escrituras reveladas es que por asociarse aunque sea un instante con un devoto puro,

se puede alcanzar el exito espiritual completo. -

- todas las escrituras proclaman que sri gurudeva es sakstahari-tva, esta dotado con la potencia de sri hari y ,segun todos los grandes santos,es tambien su representante directo.sri gurudeva Le es muy querido al señor por ser su sirviente confidencial.yo ofrezco reverencias a sus pies de loto. -

-Aunque se que mi maestro espiritual es un sirviente de sri chaitanya,tambien se que es la manifestacion directa del señor.-

- el señor krishna disfruta manifestandose como los maestros espirituales, los devotos,las diversas energias,las encarnaciones y las porciones plenarias.todo ellos son seis en uno. -

-segun el dictamen de todas las escrituras reveladas, el maestro espiritual no es diferente de krishna.El señor krishna en la forma del maestro espiritual libera a sus devotos. -

-toda gloria a chintamani y a somagiri,mi maestro espiritual iniciador.Toda gloria a mi maestro espiritual instructor,la suprema personalidad de Dios,que lleva pluma de pavo real en su corona.bajo la sombra de sus pies de loto,que son como arboles de los deseos,jayasri (Radharani) disfruta de la melosidad trascendental de una consorte eterna.-

-Si alguien desea seriamente verdadera felicidad,debe buscar a un maestro espiritual genuino y rendirse a el por medio de la iniciacion.el maestro espiritual debe haber comprendido profundamente la conclusion de las escrituras mediantes deliberacion y razonamientos,y debe poder  convencer a otros de esas conclusiones.esas grandes personalidades que se han refugiados completamente en el señor supremo y han dejado atras todas las consideraciones materiales son maestros espirituales genuinos.

 

- se debe saber que el maestro espiritual instructor es la personalidas de krishna.El señor krishna se manifiesta como el alma suprema y como el devoto mas grande del señor. -

jay sri hanumat presak swami maharaj ki jay !!!

feliz guru purnima !!!

HpS - ASA

Jaya!   We are in Mexico. Thak you for the catalog of Spiritual Master quotes.

Fill you heart with the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada!

GRACIAS......

8 years, 8 months ago by Amparo Hernandez Castillo in Special Category A

​Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada y a su sankirtana eterno.
Hare krsna querido Guru Maharaja, por favor reciba mis humildes reverencias a sus pies de" LOTO" muchas vracias por contestarme usted tiene mucha razon en todo lo que me dijo,todo es cierto mi mente todo esto pasa por mi mente y la verdad desde que me enferme solo e pensado en mi como cuerpo ,como me.voy a ver como.voy a estar sere fea? Por eso tiene toda la razon en todas las cosas que me escribio,converse con prabhu amala todo ya bien y le pedi perdon porque en este tiempo de enfermedad jamas le pregunte amala cantaste tus rondas? me concentre solo en lo que mi mente queria creer ....gracias GURUDEVA POR DESPEJARME MI CABEZA ,MIS DUDAS Y COMO.SIEMPRE DEVOLVERME AL.CAMINO CORRECTO Y HACERME PENSAR CON SENSATES.........TODO ES SIMPLE CANTAR BUENAS RONDAS Y SER FELIZ .......GRACIAS GURUDEVA POR ENTENDERME Y ESTAR SIEMPRE AHY CUANDO ME SIENTO PERDIDA O DESORIENTADA ....SE DESPIDE ALGUIEN QUE ESPERA PODER SERVIRLO AMPARO HERNANDEZ

HpS - ASA --- AGTSP!!!!
Super buena suerte en Sankirtan y relacion ETERNO con Srila Prabhupada!

urgente

8 years, 9 months ago by Amparo Hernandez Castillo in Special Category A

​All glories to Srila Prabhupada and his eternal sankirtana. "" Hare krsna dear Guru Maharaja, please receive my humble obeisances at his feet of "loto" good GURUDEVA news actually important, know for GURUDEVA you in the. AIRPORT I SAID "EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE, EVERYTHING."

Would come out good, that was well who we MARRY, one helps the other ".. .the to my me helps a lot, however I feel that the solo.le I give problems and more problems and harm you, marrying a woman sick., with children, when you could go to Mathura which was his desire, COMETI knows the. WORST mistake that a woman and was say a lie, maybe white although not exist the lies white now knows GURUDEVA PRABHU AMALA ME says that NO longer wants to be with me, which does not want a life with me than I will to hate is that was by the lie that you. SAID that neither is serious is the fact of the lie, GURUDEVA not is if by the stress of the LAKSHMI which is needed for my operation, by medicines or disappointment that I have menrido know that I I feel helpless and without knowing that do, leave my work and life that I lived in lime, leave my things the REGALE the sold and I came , BRINGING MY SMALL CHILDREN WITH ME, NOW DO NOT WORK BECAUSE I'M SICK AND THAT I CAUSES MOST IT ANGUISH AND DESPAIR, BECAUSE HERE I HAVE FAMILY ALL MY. FAMILY. ERA. AND IS MY. HUSBAND, even at home when he came to ACA family me Hill all the puertad and all that... LEAVE EVERYTHING IN THE HANDS OF. KRSHNA AND CONTINUE WITH 24 ROUNDS AND 4 STRICT PRINCIPLES, IS AN ADVICE NOT ME. DARA BUT IF THE WORDS TO GUIDE ME AND KNOWING WHAT TO DO TELL YOU MY DESIRE IS TO LEARN ENGLISH WELL E GO TO VRINDAVANA AS PROFESSOR I AND MY SMALL STUDY AHY AND PARBHU AMALA WOULD MAYBE NOT BE TEACHER BUT IF THE SAME COOK ETC, IS MY DESIRE THE MORE LARGE I HAVE... THANKS GURU MAHARAJA FOR BEING ALWAYS AHY, THANK YOU FOR ESCICHARME AND READ ME HOPE TO SEE IT SOON YOU IS MY GUIDE, MY FATHER AND MY MOTHER THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WISE ADVICE... SOMEONE THAT ASPIRES TO BE HIS SERVANT AMPARO HERNANDEZ
 

HpS - AGTSP Utiliza translate.google.com. This is not urgent news. That is your confusion. This is news that we have all the time. We have no source of wealth in this world or the spiritual world other than from Krsna and His devotees like Srila Prabhupada and Nanda Maharaja. Breath regularly and chant Hare Krsna until you can see who is Krsna and what He wants you to do. If he wants you to die today, then O.K.

The Robot translation is not good. You have to use simple clear words for the robot to translate them clearly.

Am I cheating you?

Are you cheating Amala?

Is Amala cheating you? All this is not clear. Just go on chanting and be happy. As you read this I may be dead. We are all connected by our service to our Guru, Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you very much for all you austerity. We hope your kids and husband are happy!!!