In con't from here http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/node/7161

Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

You wrote: “We investigate Srila Prabhupada. He is the current link in the Parampara. If we are satisfied that his extreme insistence on speaking and acting in the Paramapara is something that he requires from disciples and the Guru he accepted, then the series of links goes back quickely to Krsna.  That is the test, no? Do we actually have a direct experience of Krsna!?

http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/18/75

Does our compound telescope give us a better view of the same God that we see with our naked eyes.”

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Guru Maharaja, I do not understand the above paragraph (specifically the highlighted text). Please, can you explain?

About your question of test, if I have a direct experience of Krsna? Hm,… it is a kind of difficult question. I could say I have a little bit of direct logic about Krsna. I see His hand around, hopefully. I read His words.

About BG 18.75 Sanjaya could hear Krsna talking. Question would be what is the difference of my hearing BG and Sanjaya's hearing Krsna? Or better question is what am I doing after hearing?

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In the purport it says: BG 18.75 p Nārada is the direct disciple of Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master of Vyāsa.

And in next SB citations it says:

SB 1.6.29 p Therefore, according to authorized opinion, the birth of Nārada as the son of Brahmā is also a transcendental pastime. His appearance and disappearance are practically on the same level as that of the Lord. The Lord and His devotees are therefore simultaneously one and different as spiritual entities. They belong to the same category of transcendence.

SB 2.9.43 p Brahmājī, as a disciple of the Supreme Lord, received the real knowledge and imparted it to his dear disciple Nārada,…

SB Lord B6.5.22 p Lord Brahmā is the guru of Nārada Muni , who is the guru of Vyāsadeva,…

How to understand these statements of guru and disciple relationship between Krsna, Brahma and Narada? Is this the example of transparent medium and direct experience?

Thank you.

Your servant Namacarya Das

HpS - You really have to investigate Srila Prabhupada. I investigated Hansadutta Prabhu for years and when he said, "Prabhupada said...", I knew how to take it. I heard from Prabhupada's lips that he would never die but live forever in his books. I tried it and experienced it.

Ultimately we can't understand anything unless the Paramatma enlivens us to do so. The soul has an innate ability to know. Sat CIT Ananda. So when hear more and more from the right source we can experience Krsna directly, like seeing better through a pair of glasses over our eyes.

Red highlight: Prabhupada is SO, SO, insistent that we speak in Parampara, no? It occurs again and again and again in his books, no?     So, if we know him and know that he does not concoct things then the conclusion is that he received this from Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati and that BSS received it from GKDB and ... Krsna. Is O.K.?

A lot of citations above. To our limited brain we have to take them one at a time and in priority. Do you get tangible result from your morning service? Getting up for Brahma-muhurta?    If yes, then that is a gift from Srila Prabhupada, no?

Initiations - more then one from different gurus

CC Antya 7.148

CC Antya 7.149

CC Antya 7.150

Dear Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Looks Vallabha Bhatta was already initiated (whatever that meant at that period and in that context) and he wanted another initiation, from different guru. His initiations are in a connection to a mantra.

Would that mean that it was (is) bonafide to have more than one initiation, and also more then one initiation from different gurus. Those initiations spoken here do not seem like we have today in ISKCON as 1^st, 2^nd, sannyasa.

I understand that today in ISKCON it is possible to have 1^st from one guru, 2^nd from another, and sannyasa initiation from another guru. Is this what is happening here with Valllabha Bhatta? To me it looks it is in connection to mantras given according to what form of Lord Krsna is worshiped.

Thank you.

Your servant Namacarya Das

HpS - Hare Krsna.  When I read this it was a little confusing to me also. Usually "Intiation" as far as we understand it meant, "second intitiation", and that is when a confidential Mantra is given, so the Guru is call the "Mantra-guru". At times.   Srila Prabhupada is very explicit in the first chapte of CC, no?  Only one Diksa guru. So, I guess he was changing his Sampradaya. I was intiated as a Christian, but took intiation as a Gaudiya Vaisnava with the full blessings of Lord Jesus Christ as far as I know. That's all we know, but as we go on doing practical service then all these things will become practically clear. Are becoming practically clear.  Vallabha acharya is a rather special case. He left later and became Acharya in the Nimbarka Sampradya in Gurujurat, Pusti-marg, no?

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Hare Krsna, Prabhus,

AGTSP. paoho. Tomorrow night is our regular Bh. Sastri workshop. Guess we will look at notable prayers in the BG etc.

Then... Sunday... NGD returns from India and we were going to start NOD(E).  We got four weeks of Wednesdays before we go to India (Mexico), so let's do the Preface and Introduction to the NOD.

O.K?

Our ASA Study Guides, Afterwords, are at: www.jayarama.us/archives/tpp-nod.docx 

Dear Guru Maharaja, PAMHO AGTSP

In continuation from here:

http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/node/7152

HpS - Do you mean he (BSST) didn't take Sannyaya from GKDB?   Is there some doubt that GKDB didn't give him Mantra initiation as a Hari-nam disciple or Gayatri mantra?

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In Nitai das's own words: "The main reason for my departure from ISKCON was that I came to believe

(and I still believe) that Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvatı

never

received proper initiation into the Caitanya Vaisnavasampradaya(community)."

In the same text he writes like this "diksa (initiation)".

About sannyasa initiation he says, by citing , Bhaktiprasada Puri Goswami, one of 'previous' disciples of BSST :" ... was groundless (since Bhaktisiddhanta had given it to himself)".

Source link :  http://www.bhajankutir.net/archives/nitai-zine-1.pdf

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I am not advocating that whatever is said in the source link is truth. I came to Nitai das (Neal Delmonico) and started a little investigation because I saw the name in the book you gave. And, as I said earlier, it arouse interest in me because I was aware of Srila Prabhupada's words about Nitai.

Hope all this is not disturbing. That is not my motive.

Your servant Namacarya Das

HpS - AGTSP paoho.   When I tried to send this letter it got lost, the internet crashed!   Is it the hand of God!? (He smiles mildly but with some depth).
Your investigations are not disturbing to us. They are wonderful.

We are trying to follow the example given to us of Lord Caitanya with Sarva bhauma Bh. Acharya and Prakasananda Sarasvati et al, and your investigations help so much.

One question is if Prof. Delmonico has change his opinions?  In general we would feel that his objections as described do not relate to the reality of Parampara. Hari-nama Diksa from GKDB may have been informal, but did it communicate the essence?

We investigate Srila Prabhupada. He is the current link in the Parampara. If we are satisfied that his extreme insistence on speaking and acting in the Paramapara is something that he requires from disciples and the Guru he accepted, then the series of links goes back quickely to Krsna.  That is the test, no? Do we actually have a direct experience of Krsna!?

http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/18/75

Does our compound telescope give us a better view of the same God that we see with our naked eyes.

Continuing from here

http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/node/7067

Dear Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Generally speaking, this is how I understand and act upon these kind of situations.

A person practices ISKCON sadhana bhakti, after some times stops the practice (by leaving ISKCON and joining some other sect, or stopping sadhana altogether). This person may be by profession an auto mechanic. If I need to fix a car, I may bring it to that person. But if that person is a philosopher and scholar by profession, and I need some philosophical points to discuss, I may need to be careful with what to hear/take from a person whose philosophy differs from our parampara.

This is given in simple words. There are more details to consider.

Is that proper?

HpS - As far as we can understand things we act in the same way, and of course there are details. Some people have left and become viscious demons. So, with them we don't even ask technical things.

About citations – they are about connections of Bhoja and Rupa Goswami, then some about historical facts , and about how Rupa Goswami uses Agni Purana.

Now that we are here on this topic, may I ask what you think and what you say to people who declare points that Nitai das propagates: that our line from BSST is not bonafide because BSST did not took initiation from Gaurakisora das Babaji. (There are more points but this is a main one).

Thank you!

Your servant Namacarya Das

HpS - Do you mean he didn't take Sannyaya from GKDB?   Is there some doubt that GKDB didn't give him Mantra initiation as a Hari-nam disciple or Gayatri mantra?
Sannyasa is a Varna ashrama arrangement in some ways. Real parampara is one Sampradaya Acharya accepting another as his student and then passing the Bhava, perspective, attitude with Sastric reference to his disciple.

http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/1/3/44

... aham — I; vaḥ — unto you; śrāvayiṣyāmi — shall let you hear; yathā-adhītam yathā-mati — as far as my realization.    

O.K?  Just brief idea. Depends very much on the motive of the person who is arguing, no?

Dear Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Modern science confirms* that every seven years all the cells in the body are changed. That in the range of seven years all the cells in the body are changed.

We use this fact as a example of reincarnation, even in this body.

Srila Prabhupada agreed with this statement.

ASA - Even the nerve cells?  We Googled the fact and got some references that say it is not precise, but yes the cells replace, and still says that the brain neurons are not replaced, but I hear that there is new research about this now.

How it is that those new cells take a form (or qualities) of aged body? For example, the aged body forms wrinkles around the eyes and the new cells maintain those wrinkles (or even makes more of it) instead to being new as in a young body. Or if a person has a tattoo, after seven years that tattoo is still there, it does not vanish. We would understand that a new cell will have a new untouched quality but it is not so.

Your servant Namacarya das

* of course, as in every statement, this one also has  opposed ones

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Dr. Singh. Medical science says that all the bodily cells are replaced every seven years.

Srila Prabhupada. No, not every seven years -- every second. Every second, the blood corpuscles are changing. Is it not so?

Dr. Singh. Yes.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Changing Bodies

HpS - ASA -- We don't have any specialist knowledge in this. Maybe Dr. Nikunja bihari Das has some information. You questions about skin condition is certainly interesting.