Bg 17.28 Inquiry

Dear Gurumaharaja,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

First of all i wish to thank you for your reply to my previous letter. Temple news is that Krishna Ksetra Maharaja visits this weekend for classes. Mother Kishori from France visited the other week, and the place got opened with Radhastami and was baptised 'Gaura Dham.'

My reason for writing is that i seek more understanding about a certain point which i hope you can clarify. It is about the contents of this verse:
http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/17/28

Hrdayananda Goswami reasoned in a class that chanting Mahamantra in the streets is not very effective to most hearers because of the point of this verse. There would be ajnata sukriti, but that is not so potent as to make people come forward and really take up the chanting. For people who have past life experiences, the chanting would wake them up to their previous position and they would continue. The same goes for reading Srila Prabhupada's books. The argument he used based on this verse, is that if an action is not purposefully done out of  good intention, the result would not be very potent. After all, the verse prior to this one mentions the criterium as to please the Lord.

Now this shook me up a bit, because of what i sort of picked up in our ISKCON, that the chanting is so potent that everybody will benefit. Of course, Maharaja did not deny that explicitly, nor did he dissuade from doing Harinam in any way, but it was a bit of a letdown, because his point made sense to me. On the other hand, Srila Prabhupada says that even chanting as a joke or mockingly has effect. How do i understand this apparent contradiction? And is ajnata sukriti really not that potent, and does it have to add up in order to be of some influence?

There was another class in Berlin from September, which became a topic of discussion on the internet, where Maharaja said that the prophesy of Lord Caitanya can lead devotees in Harinam parties sometimes to be in a bubble of 'saving the world,' while in actuality they are not connecting to the people around them. To me, these episode strenghten in me the notion that to speak to one person a day, in a good conversation with mutual respect, and to impress upon them the glories and benefit of chanting, and inspiring them in that way, is a glorious thing. Of course i would be interested in understanding your ideas on the 9% that you disagree with in Maharaja, to see more balance, but i can understand could be beyond the scope of this forum. Anyway, i look forward to hearing your thoughts.

With kind regards,
Your aspiring servant,
Raghava Pandit das

 
HpS - ASA --- Thank you, on our behalf and all the frogs here in the Bog, so much for your association. Yes, it seems beyond the scope of this Blog.  In general you have said it.  There is Ajnata sukrti for new people and stimualtion of their Vasanas, Samskaras, Ajnanata-sukrtis, from previous lives for those people. It has immediate and lasting benefit, but yes, it does build up.
 
Yes, there is different potency in how it is done.

We remember that Prabhupada said that in his mother's kitchen all the pots were free of even a black spot from carbon. One black spot and back to the serving girl for cleaning. She would always clean while cooking, so when the offering was done, it was just two stroke to clean the kitchen. Prabhupada said that if you take Prasadam prepared in a Kitchen like that, then immediately you feeled refreshed, happy.
 
So, yes, if we are chanting like Kanthistha adhikaris, only see God in the procees, our process, then it is not as potent as Madhyama adhikaris who 1. Avoid the demons in the audience, 2. Preach (connect) to the innocent, 3. Worship God by the Chanting, and 4. Make friendship with the devotees (eg. Samskara guys).    O.K?     Always go chanting with flags.  In Russia, always go with good accordion music etc.

O.K?   Some little idea?
 
 
 
 

NIMSAR EKADASI REPORT

Hare Krishna Maharaja Please, accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I'll be in charge of NIMSAR communication from now on. After 2 meetings the following was agreed:

1.-To have a protocol for meetings.

2. It was agreed that members of NIMSAR receive training seminars in skills and introspective (psychological)areas.

3. Areas were developed by committees and all is related as a body

HpS - ASA ----  AGTSP!  Excellent Letter, but.... we don't understand this point???  ​

 

4.- An executive and educational model was presented, we will go looking for results at future meetings.

Communications (under the direction of the secretariat) will be developed in 3 stages: The 1st stage (from October to February 2016) we will develop a colaborationa plan for ISKCON temples Agreements: We will take the workshop by Mr Palomino. Sunday School will be developed by Priya Sakhi and Yugala dd SS Isvari dd

 
ASA (Monkey/Piggy) --- Very nice.

1. Where is our Word Document, summary of the Regional Encounter. It has been two months since the event and no Document. We are beginning to look like fools in front of our Members and Directors: HpSwami, what did your people do with the $1,000!

Also, we are supposed to see a clip on YouTube of the event.   Hmmm, Ambo-Vrsa, say they are working on it, but you must check with them. We are going to save the whole world with NIMSAR, no??

2. We will be in Peru 4-6 January and 1-3 February. Dates are here in the Blog. Just set the filter for Calendar Development and you will find them. We hope, hope, hope we can get a lot for association with NIMSAR during these days.
3.Thank you so, so much for your years of austerities in your service to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna.
 

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From Kalindi Devi dasi in AuburnCA

10/07/15   Dearmost Guru Maharaja: Kindly receive my sincere dandavats and pranams.  All glories to our incredible founding acarya, HDG Srila Prabhupada!!!

 
ASA - !

1.   Greetings from Sri Sri Radha Gopinath's Auburn Ca residence.   As Their unworthy servant and yours, please know i pray for you daily.

 
HPS - ASA - Probably why we aren't delinquents.

2.   i try not to take too much of your valuable time by not writting to you more than once in two months approximately.  OK?  How many times a month, 2 months, 3 months do you want me to write?  It is understood i could contact you more often in an emergency.

 
ASA - I guess as often as you want to. Just see the other mail and join the flow, no?

3.   The Sacramento ISKON devotees have asked me again to humbly request you please visit us twice in 2016.  In your reply to my last correspondence, you said the scheduling should be made directly with you.  So, i am hoping to get some tentative dates on the calendar in your reply to this letter, if you would be so merciful.

 
ASA - In the Calendar you can see that we are booked to South America and India until 2016 April. After that we may be stuck in Nashville.  Hmmm!   Sacramento East.

4.   The Sacramento ISKON devotees rented a community hall and advertised a Janmastami event. It was a huge endeavor for us.   Krsna reciprocated wonderfully and the attendance was approx 400! Program began with traditional Indian dance; then abishek for which everyone was invited to participate.  It lasted 1 1/2 hours!  Then prasadam which we all cooked and brought to the hall. Yours truly was appointed to make 4, 16 qt. pots of panir-potatoe-subji in tomatoe sauce base.  Also, our beloved Radha-Gopinath were selected to receive abishek!  i made outfits for Them to wear and They were just too sweet.  Then kirtan.  Then lecture.   Then more kirtan and arati with 56 preparations!!!  Then Midnight to 1am arati!   Prabhupada's Vyasa Puja was  a home program.   Also, Sri Radhastami was a home program but none the less ecstatic!

ASA - Ooooof!    Permanent progress.
 

There's been book distribution and Hari Nam Sankirtan. A big event featuring book distribution this Sun from 3pm to 11pm!

5. Radha-Gopinath now have Their own curry-leaf plant!

6.   Just finishing last book of CC. Finished "Srila Prabhupada's Miracle" by Vaikunthanath das.  i'm devouring with heart and mind "A Comprehensive Guide to BHAGAVAD-GITA" by H.D.Goswami.  Finished "Heart of Devotion Nine Essays for Spiritual Reflection" by Satyaraja Dasa.

7.  Took association and prasad at our house with Vikasananda Krsna Das and family (he's our facilitator.  You didn't meet him as he was at New Dwarka Dham when you were here.  He's really a great leader.) Also Jaya Krsna Das and family (he brought your japa mala to you here after we got home from the program)  Having Sashi Prabhu and family this Fri. evening.   They, in particular, are most anxious for your next visit. They have been praying for the "right" diksa guru for years.  They very much desire to host you in their home in Folsom. We pray you could stay with us if it pleases you on your second visit.

8.   Health is holding up ok.

9.   When you were visiting us, i approached you re. 2nd initiation.  You said that beginning 2016, Bhakti sastra course completion is required. Do you have a You-Tube presentation of this course?   Or does GBC have standardized text now?   You mentioned we could perform ceremony over the phone i think. Is it also possible to perform ceremony during one of your visits next year?

HpS - No program on line for us. See if Mayapura Institute has an on-line course. Maybe you could take it with a study partner.
 

10. Puja room now has 10" by 8" composite murti of Srila Prabhupada with 2 sets of clothes. He's   wonderful!!!

10A.   Rounds seemto be more and more relishible by Lord Caitanya's mercy!!!

11.  Thank you for being my eternal friend and cherished diksha representative of Srila Prabhupada!!!!

"...one must simply allow the pastimes of Lord Krsna to blow within one's heart like a favorable breeze, then one will surely find spiritual peace..."  SP purport SB 12.13.2

ASA - Super citation.  Guess it is Gopiparanadhana Das.
 

Offering dandavats and pranams again and again!

YUS, Kalindi Devi dasi

ASA -   Thank you for the letter. Looking forward to service in Goloka!!!!         Thank you for the news.  Some photos if it is possible!!!

Desarrollo

Toda Gloria a Srila Prabhupada

Por favor acepte mis humildes reverencias

Hare Krishna Querido Gurudev

 Si quiere comunicar en privada de unas cosas,

si puede,..... voy a tener algunas reuniones con Maharaja Gunagrahi en unos 20 dias, y las Autoridades administrativas, voy a tener que pararme  bien,  bueno, entiendo la diplomacia religiosa, y se mantener lo que pienso, hay una buena relacion salvando las diferencias...Quizas el tema aqui lo cual no quiero extender mucho publicamente, Quizas lo que he visto con los años es que el sistema de funcionamiento del templo es que muchas veces produce y colapsa en un ciclo de tiempo, desde que fue Creado....,para seguir hablando

 Espero que puede adjustar su situacion de Ashrama un poco mejor!!!!    Pienso es posible.​

Si, esto es  lo que pienso, voy a ajustarme y tambien las autoridades me dan algunas facilidades..... Y me Recuerdo cuando Srila Prabhupada dijo que el 50% de su obra estaba lista , solo falta el otro50% El Varna Asram Dharma, veo que estoy improvisando en un monton de cosas, tengo algunas Ideas , me gustaria en un futuro poder ayudar en el desarrollo del Asram de Brahmacaris, lo cual veo como recien nacido, por lo antes dicho, ya que en los templos de Sud America se los puede ayudar a los  brahmacaris  en general a lo sumo 5 a 10  años y despues no esta claro el lugar para que pueda mantenerse y seguir desarrollandose, 

En relacion con Filosofia,voy a cursar lentamnete la carrera, no quiero tener mas predominancia de asociacion con cuetiones materiales  que espiritual , a la vez quiero probar, por que si funciona voy a ampliar mis capacidades en la predica,y si no me funciona  lo dejo,

Mi deseo es madurar mi relacion Con SRI SRI RADHA KRISHNA, PANCA TATTVA, PARAM PARA,SRILA PRABHUPADA Y USTED, asi como con todos los devotos

Siento que Krishna ha quitado en gran parte el miedo de adentro mio, y me a dado confianza de como actuar para agradarle a El ,

Ezforzandome por merecer el Prema Bhakti, he intentando por todos los medios de evitar las ofensas,y controlar la lengua, con gran entusiamos a pesar  de las dificultades

Muchas gracias, Usted hace que mi vida sea mas Bienaventurada y Dichosa, que seria de Mi sin Usted

Su Sirviente Adi Yajña Das

HpS - ASA - agtsp. paoho. pienso que toda esta carta es publico, no?    claro, hay cosas privados en cual quiere institucion, familia, equipo de futbol, candraval-radharani.

si, creacion - destruccion. nama-hatta, gaudiya matha, iskcon.  es normal, pero, espero, hay advanza eterno en cada pasa tambie. sin polygamia, vivir en las aldeas y b'cari ashrama [para todo la vida para muchos] no vamos a solucionar vida sana.

nos gustaria participar.

esperamos podemos encontrar mientras estamos en s.a. ya voy a comprar boletos para chile y argetina.    super animador su carta.      essencia b'car, sannyasa ashrama es literatura, oir y hablar ecstatico.

Ramvijaya urgent

Hare Krsna beloved Gurudeva:

AGTSP

PAMHO

Thank U GM for all iur effort,inspiration and association.. FMP, Twiteer, blog, etc.

GM Ramvijaya is comming and I have 2 doubts:

Which topics a person who is going to give the class that day may discuss? What should we read, sing?

And Putana represents false guru, so ravana what represents. When we throw rocks to Ravana what are we actually doing?  Thank u in advance

GM this is not related to the topic but I was looking my pictures and I found some of ulyses when he was a baby.. and i thought when is this ulyses now.. jaja.. I realized that we are changing bodies within this life also. I am attaching some pictures.

Thanks in advance

Iur eternal servant 

Cmdd

HpS - ASA - AGTSP!!!   Paoho.  Thank you for your Bhakti!         I think there are some Rama-vijaya, Lanka-vijaya verses in the Ramayan section of the Ninth Canto. Also, Krsna-dharma's Ramayana is in English at vedabase.com.

All the deomons and what they represent are by Bh.Vinode Th. and are from Krsna lila.   I don't know how Ravana "represents" any thing.   Throwing rocks is just to help Rama defeat Ravana. Of course, we think of our own demoniac desires, deep in our hearts, and throwing rocks at Ravana is aiming to destroy them!

Cute pictures!     I guess if puppies weren't cute then their parents would eat them.   Ha!   Ha!   Ha!

Have you done a bio-graphy with your mother yet?     Ask her about here life, how things were growing up.  Good for her to look at her life and judge it.  Good for us to see how the world has developed.