Letters to the editor

asa[e]; prabhupada; poisoning conspiracy [p-con]

mayesvara w-roberts

Wrote to us at our Yahoo address:

To:

Bir Krishna das Goswami

Dr. Sunil ie: Satswarupa

Tukaram Pr

Giriraj Swami

and 2 more...

Bcc:

HpSwami

Sat, Nov 27 at 9:27 AM

Haribolo Honored Prabhu!

Please accept my respects. All Glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga!

Please review my concerns regarding the 2017 GBC's promise to provide a formal statement regarding the Poison Conspiracy (P-Con).

Here is the list of devotees who signed on to that promise.

ASA - Not in Blog format.

I hope this meets you in good health!

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mayesvara dasa ACBSP

AKA: william g. roberts MBS/MIS, CCP

687 West Villanova Rd.

Ojai, California 93023

Who Is mayesvara das?

http://jagannatha.com/who-is-mayesvara-dasa-acbsp/

http://jagannatha.com/library/deception-pcon-t-com/

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We, HpS/ASA, answered:

AgtSP!!!  ...paoho... Thank you very much for sending us this letter and attached letter. I graduated 1st place in psychology with minor studies in biology and electrical engineering from the university of california. So, I have a pretty respectable education in the scientific basis of the Srila Prabhupada poisoning conspiracy (p-con) discussion. Then with Nitai-gaurasundara Das, Dr. Ravi P. Sing, Head of Geriatric Psychiatry at one of biggest mental hospitals in Tennessee, we discussed the p-con from time to time. We came to the same general conclusions as your book, and then when it was released we appreciated them as very definitive.

In terms of the GBC response, as you have presented the history, I would agree that the GBC should issue an institutional statement.

Besides the options mentioned by you below, another would be that: They accept your books as excellent discussions on the topics, that anyone interested in the themes, should read, and that they are written a certain particular humor which the GBC does not find offensive, but of course represents a particular flavor of the author and many people who might feel it is the best way to discuss such topics.

[Maybe] The GBC feels certain topics in Mayesvara Das' books need to be considered more carefully, and certainly does not wish to curtail any well meant discussion on these topicsb,

But for its own considerations, now feels that the current evidence does not support a p-con that has or could significantly influence our institution's efforts to expand Srila Prabhupada's movement.

Of course, this is my opinion. The GBC is an administrative, political, body to my understanding. The Ultimate, so, they may have pragmatic reasons for not making a public statement. "In any public discussion a politician should never clearly declare his own position". A general should never make public the full position of his army.

Yet, my pragmatic advice would be that, yes, they should make a public statement and include your work as very central. A general should disclose his position well enough so his allies and subordinates can understand how to relate to him.

At your service,

HpSwami

Hare Krsna, Maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP

we heard your lecture on 22 nov 2021, where you said, that spiritual master gives one seed, then VAD is the fencing, HC [hearing chanting] is watering it.

we are not formally taking seed [diksa], we can water, but we are not sure of fence [eating garlic?] . we will still water it, so that it becomes strong like tree and does not need fence.

ASA/TB - Fence is four principles. Don't need fence can be like saying I am gasoline that does not react to fire. Men are like gasoline and women are like fire [sp]. so, we have to have a fence. chanting will help us 99% to eventually build a fence, but faster if we try to do it manually also.

there is one revelation, which we are making public.

we were never confident of our skills as padre or esposo. we knew we could earn. but local devotees/authorities urged that we should have a child. in 2010 oct, we with them as part of south india yatra, went to place where Dasrathji did Yagya for his sons. There were marks of Rama's feet. On subtle level we prayed at those feet, that we will beget a child, even if we are not convinced, as guru mukhya param vakya.

again before Garbhdan samskar, we bowed to Jagannath, now you take care of whatver happens.

our son was born on Kartik poornima of 2011. and it has been tremendous gift from SPOG.

it has been tremendous journey with him esp the devotional ones. we have not spoken/seen him for 18 months because esposa has overshadowed him.

Anyways, we will be glad to leave our body while thinking about his devotional activities.

all pains are sanctioned by SPOG. He is under control.

on the other hand,

we have whatsapped Pancha-Tattva ji for ASA-e.

regards,

Padre Caballo born on Indian Land

HpS/ASA - We are reading this with Panca-tattva Das. Your letters are always very enlivening to us. We answered the earlier "asa[e]" letter. we are like a 1925 Chinese infantry regiment, no? Just keep going in the right direction, half trained, half equiped but with strong desire to serve.

See you tonight.

We are sure Pariksit is thinking of you.

previous letter 12658

Hare Krsna Maharaj,

PAMHO, AGTSP

this link https://1drv.ms/w/s!Aiwe2qLAAyANg4QHi_PB58dwJPMMQw?e=EX6wIj is NOT a ggole doc.

This is microsoft word online.

please see if the format is fine.

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AGTSP

paoho

Format is like 77% perfect. all you can hope for in kali yuga is 80%.

Sitting with Pancha tattva das. just reviewed everything. without his and your association would maybe never get to this. thank you. now we will look at your more recent letter and call you at 8PM/6.30AM Peru Time/IST.

Hare Krishna Gurumaharaj

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

HpS/ASA - AgtSP! So nice to hear from you!!! Sorry that it has taken us 3-days to answer, but all weekend now we have strong programs.

Praying to Lord Nityananda and Giriraj for spiritual intelligence to be able to approach you with the right service attitude, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare !!!

HpS - We are pretty simple people, so guess you will have the proper attitude. Thank you.

In the FMP of today (for you in South America) via gotomeeting, we inquired from you; how we can get a " flying carpet", the one that could be an efficient transportation for you, so you would agreed to visit again the Down Under land - Australia, in this life time.

In a hopeful mood we attempt to follow your instruction, inquiring from you. Please Gurumaharaj, would you consider visiting Australia, it is closer to India.

For another hand, while writing to you the suppressed confronting emotions are surfacing.

Probably, like some devotees I am struggling in digest, and realise your teachings, specially when you speak about winding up, and leaving your body in 2024. The time is passing very quickly; it is unavoidable to experience anxiety, desperation, fear and at the same time, the utmost respect, gratitude, admiration toward you; appreciating how you have been guiding us in all aspect with your exemplary spiritual life (highly qualified), your teachings (words and actions) and now, the lesson on how to leave the body in Krishna consciousness.

Gratitude and admiration are overwhelming making our heart happy, because we understand a bit, that Krishna's and Srila Prabhupada's causeless mercy are giving us the great fortune to have H. H. Hanumat Presak Swami's loving association, (his guidance, care and example).

Words are falling short in this context, how to express our overwhelming experience of a glimpse, awareness of your spiritual greatness and at the same time knowing that soon you are going to leave.

Alas, you are preparing us, giving us the opportunity to uplift our consciousness, learning to associate with you in a higher level, going beyond physical limitations. Is this not another display of your ' True Love' that your compassionate and caring heart is doing for us?.

Nevertheless, our heart experiences a lot of anxiety too. Oh, Krishna!! Gurumaharaj is going to leave!!!.. we have heard about it since long time ago, but we suppressed it in my unconscious mind, not wanting to face it, but now it is not possible to avoid it; it is just in font of us.. Oh Krishna,.. help us to grow in acceptance, imbibe it and rise up strong from there, thanks to the spiritual nourishment that it is offering to us.

Please forgive me for this outburst, i could not control it.

I fully trust that you will understand it better than myself.

Thank you Gurumaharaj

Your servant

Madhumanjari dd

HpS - Hare Krsna. We always focus on how much Srila Prabhupada's disciples felt pain upon his departure, but what about Srila Prabhupada's pain? Is interesting, no? Did he even feel more pain than they in leaving his "beloved American and European sons and daughters"?

Of course, Odana sasthi, 2024 is like a best estimate, a joke at talking about anything so much under superior control with exact dates. We see, and I suspect you also, that we can die at any point.

"Oh, didn't you hear! Hp Swami died yesterday! He was in the middle of writing a letter to one of his disciples in Australia and had a heart attack!"

Maybe we'll be stuck here until 2034. (Ayeeee!).

How many more years do you have? One hundred? Fifty? Twenty-five? Fifteen?

Is good to make a practical estimate and then look at our mission in this life as it has developed?

asa(e) - Uncle Gismo,

Magic Carpets:

Guru Das asked Srila Prabhupada what we would do after we had made this whole world Krsna conscious and there was no more preaching here, and Srila Prabhuapda smiled and answered that the Sannyasis would get on their flying carpets and go to other planets to preach.

https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/2/7/37/ seems to indicate that flying carpets are quite possible.

Second class option is good flight from India to Australia, traveling companion, and/or priority processing through immigration and customs. That is the killer! One hour standing in line for immigration before leaving.

Or we all meet in Radha Kunda instead with Divya svaroop Das and Jaga mohan.

I want so much to be accepted in Vrndavana as a simple citizen by Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.

Respects to all.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga:

Please accept my humble obeisances dear Gurudev, I wish you a happy Damodara month.

I wanted to ask you if you are doing any treatment for your tired eyes? Have you tried placing cucumber slices or aloe vera leaves cut in half and without thorns, placed on the closed eyelids?

HpS - The best treatment is to look at Radha Mandana bihari and not to work hard. Then they are fine.

Thank you for your blessings to be able to sing the rounds, it really is magic. I have not chanted the rounds for a long time and now I sing every morning, I am amazed by the blessings of the spiritual master.

HpS - ASA - AgtSP!!!!!

In this month of November we are going to visit the devotee who has the deities of Jaganatha, Baladeva and Subhadra to see if he can lend them to us for the Ratha Yatra, I think there will be no problems.

I am writing to you on November 5 at 1:49 in the morning, I will sing a few rounds and then you rested a bit, I have finished digging the wallipini. I am growing cherry tomatoes, butter lettuce, round tomatoes, bell peppers, peas and soon I will plant other vegetables.

With Radha JPJ and Gopal we are offering our wicks to Damodara every day, in the morning and in the afternoon.

It is a shame that we cannot go to see it, but it is sure that it is in our hearts.

I am very happy that I am in Peru with the devotees there, they have a good heart.

You asked me about my relationship with the neighbors, I have a relationship of respect and cordiality, they are generally good people.

I don't have much news to tell, dear Gurudev, I have a fairly routine life. Now I am building the house bathroom that has no roof and no door, you can see the stars while taking a bath😄

With no further news to report, my best feelings for you,

Please forgive any offense committed in this letter inadvertently.

Your would-be servant: Bhakta Franco

HpS - So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, ..... so, so, so, ............... nice to hear from you.

asa[e] - Rathayatra

You news is very, very enlivening. Srila Prabhupada gave so much emphasis on Rathayatra.

Our God sister, Keli-lalita Devi Das, saw a poster advertising Rathayatra in San Francisco n Golden Gate Park. She went with her husband and it was attractive: Beautiful carts, Jagannatha, dramas, many nice booths, Prasdam and a devotee sold here a book.

She said that she took it home, read a little bit and put it in here bookshelf and probably would have never read it again.

The next day or so she was driving from San Francisco to Santa Cruz in the mountains in her Volkswagon Beetle with her husband as passenger.

The steering wheel came off!

Car crashed and she was tossed out.

Car caught on fire and her clothes caught on fire with the broken gas tank.

Her husband was inside and partially unconscious. She tried to pull him out but the flames became to intense and so the last thing she remembered was her husband screaming as he burned to death.

She woke up in the hospital some days later and the first thing she was conscious of was the smell of cooked meat. Then she realized who was the cooked meat, her own body, and the first thought that went though her mind was, Lord Krsna, if I think I am this body I am going to go mad.

Her face and body were seriously scared. Not enough to frighten children but remarkably. She went to the Temple.

They didn't look at her from a bodily point of vew.

She moved in. Distributed hundreds of books. Collected and donated more money than what it had cost to organize the whole Rathayatra.

So.... good luck with your Rathaytra. If you and Krsna make even one devotee it can be complete financial and Sankirtan, book distribution success.

Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada

Todas las glorias a Sri Guru y Gauranga:

Acepte mis humildes reverencias querido Gurudev, le deseo un feliz mes de Damodara.

Le quería preguntar si está haciendo algún tratamiento para el cansancio de sus ojos?

ha probado colocarse rodajas de pepinos u hojas de aloe vera cortadas por la mitad y sin espinas, puestas sobre los párpados cerrados?

Gracias por sus bendiciones para poder cantar las rondas, realmente es magia. Estuve mucho tiempo sin cantar las rondas y ahora canto todas las mañanas, me sorprende las bendiciones del maestro espiritual.

En este mes de noviembre vamos a visitar al devoto que tiene las deidades de Jaganatha, Baladeva y Subhadra para ver si nos las puede prestar para el Ratha Yatra, creo que no habrá problemas.

Le estoy escribiendo el día 5 de noviembre a la 1:49 de la mañana, cantare unas rondas y luego descansaste un poco, ya terminé de cavar el wallipini. Estoy cultivando tomate cherry, lechuga de manteca, tomate redondo, morrón , arverja y próximamente plantaré otras hortalizas.

Con Radha JPJ y Gopal estamos ofreciendo nuestras mechitas a Damodara todos los días, por la mañana y por la tarde.

Es una pena que no podamos ir a Verlo , pero es seguro que está en nuestros corazones.

Estoy muy feliz que esté en Perú con los devotos de ahí, tienen un corazón bueno.

Usted me preguntaba mi relación con los vecinos, tengo una relación de respeto y cordialidad, son buena gente en términos generales.

No tengo muchas novedades para contar querido Gurudev, tengo una vida bastante rutinaria. Ahora estoy construyendo el baño de casa que no tiene techo ni puerta, puede ver las estrellas mientras se baña😄

Sin más novedades que reportar, mis mejores sentimientos para Usted,

Perdone por favor cualquier ofensa cometida en esta carta sin querer.

Su aspirante a sirviente:

Bhakta Franco

Querido Gurudev: Pamho. Toda gloria a Srila Prabhupada y sus seguidores fieles.

Espero que se encuentre animado cuando lea esta carta.

Seguimos su sankirtan a través del blog. Interesante. En mayor o menor grado solemos tener todos los mismos desafíos.

Lo mas sobresaliente de mi informe es, que después de conocer a Prabhupada a través de sus libros hace 38 años aún sigo apreciando cada vez mas su personalidad. También es resaltante que mi deseo de ser un buen devoto sigue intacto. Y no menos importante es que sigo identificándome con ISKCON, a pesar de las diferencias de criterio que tengo con el GBC.

En el plano interno estoy apreciando sinceramente la pureza de intenciones de los devotos en dos aspectos:

a) La intención de volverse devotos.

b) La intención de ayudar a otros a que se hagan devotos.

Hemos estado de vacaciones en el sur del pais, visitando a la familia y a los devotos en Málaga y es muy gratificante estar en sadhu sanga. Despues hemos estado en Santander con Jara Mara, Tirtha Kirti y otros; también muy bien. De Santander a NVM, donde hay un ambiente muy bueno y donde se estan haciendo cosas muy interesantes.

Despues de la partida de Avesa Rupa hemos decidido dejar el proyecto de Navalakunda. La propiedad la hemos donado a la Fundación Abhay (creada para gestionar las propiedades de ISKCON España). Hemos donado 3160 euros a ISKCON Tenerife, que han comprado el local donde tenían el Templo. La furgoneta de sankirtan la hemos donado a ISKCON Madrid y a Nueva Vrajamandala le hemos donado libros, parafernalia, etc y 100.000 euros en efectivo.

Ahora estoy centrado en el Sat Sanga de la Sierra de Guadarrama y Purnamasi en actividades con los niños.

No le ocupo mas tiempo y, espero que nos veamos de nuevo con estos viejo cuerpos.

Sin mas

su sirviente

Jayanta das

PD. - Esta carta es de hace varios meses, y la verdad es que es una carta irrelevante, escrita con la única intención de mantener la relación con el gurú y sus asociados. Me sorprende que las cartas que no lleven el CP pierdan su interés. Creo que es una medida algo exagerada. Cuando una carta lleva un tiempo razonable sin ser atendida pasa a ser prioritaria de forma automática. Por supuesto que respeto su criterio pero creo que de ese modo siempre estamos escuchando las opiniones de los mismos y parece que hay una escasez de críticos evidente y necesaria.

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Dear Gurudev: Pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and his faithful followers.

I hope he is encouraged when he reads this letter.

ASA/TB-BW - We also!

We follow his sankirtan through the blog. Interesting. To a greater or lesser degree we tend to have all the same challenges.

The highlight of my report is that after meeting Prabhupada through his books 38 years ago I still appreciate his personality more and more. It is also remarkable that my desire to be a good devotee is still intact. And no less important is that I continue to identify with ISKCON, despite the differences of opinion that I have with the GBC.

HpS - GBC is ultimate managing authority in ISKCON. Having disputes is guaranteed part of management, no? If everybody agrees on management work then it is very, very, very suspicious. Probably somebody is lying, plotting. 😎

Internally I am sincerely appreciating the purity of intentions of the devotees in two respects:

a) The intention to become devotees.

b) The intention of helping others to become devotees.

We have been on vacation in the south of the country, visiting family and devotees in Malaga and it is very gratifying to be in sadhu sanga. Later we have been in Santander with Jara Mara, Tirtha Kirti and others; also very well. From Santander to NVM, where there is a very good atmosphere and where very interesting things are being done.

After Avesa Rupa's departure we have decided to leave the Navalakunda project. We have donated the property to the Abhay Foundation (created to manage the properties of ISKCON Spain). We have donated 3,160 euros to ISKCON Tenerife, who have bought the place where they had the Temple. We have donated the sankirtan van to ISKCON Madrid and to Nueva Vrajamandala we have donated books, paraphernalia, etc. and 100,000 euros in cash.

HpS/ASA - 😮 We hope you prayed a lot about the decision and consulted with many nice people. devotees. Seems like B I G decisions, but can also be fantastic preaching. Thank you for all the effort.

We plan to visit Spain from like middle of July to first week in October. We want to come after the heat is a little lower and leave with everyone possible to got the India for Kartika.

What do you think?

Best dates?

We would probably just stay in NVM where people could visit us and you know the kind of work we are doing: Consolidating all the Sankirtan efforts.

Now I am focused on the Sat Sanga of the Sierra de Guadarrama and Purnamasi in activities with the children.

I don't take up any more time and, I hope we meet again with these old bodies.

No more

his servant

Jayanta das

asa[e] - Uncle Gismo, Information Management Science

P.S. -This letter is from several months ago, and the truth is that it is an irrelevant letter, written with the sole intention of maintaining the relationship with the guru and his associates. It surprises me that the letters that do not have the CP lose the interest of him. I think it is a somewhat exaggerated measure. When a letter has not been attended for a reasonable time, it automatically takes priority. Of course I respect their criteria but I think that in this way we are always listening to their opinions and it seems that there is an evident and necessary shortage of critics.

HpS - Thank you for your comments on this topic. It is very important. Before the Blof we were getting 400-500 letters a month! 90% had the same basic three questions:

1. Where are you?
2. How is your health?
3. What are you doing?

We tried, but we just could not answer so many letters. Then with the Blog many sincere devotees began to read the answers to question by others and did not have to ask the three basic questions above, nor ask the other more general questions such as:

1. Can I take initiation from you?
2. What is the relationship with family and Temple?
3. How can I control my mind?

Even the more specific questions about SB, BG, etc. Were answered for those who read the responses to others, so our letters dropped to 150/month.

With the Letter Types listed above, the work load decreased even more eg. I will tag this letter Calendar Development and Category B which means that we can start filtering it for devotees who are interested in the European ASA Calendar Development, and that it includes things, Letters to the Editor, that should go for permanent reference in the ASA-Encyclopedia.

Yet, even 150/month can be heavy load as our eyes become more week. You can see how many letters we have answered so far. You can see that we sent a basic report in the DTC before we started and now our eyes are strained. We will push it a little and probably cause a little permanent damage, but that's life. We are all going to die, so why not die for something eternal.

Also, a lot of the letters involve mental work, as opposed to sensual and intellectual work, so we get headaches after a certain number.

Please send us your thoughts!

! ! !

One immediate response is, you should get a secretary. Bonk. We have tried it. We will continue to try it. Has advantages and drawbacks.

Thank you.

Writing to you like this is very, nice. We remember your Ashrama, everything.

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