ASA(e); ASA Encyclopedia Development
https://twitter.com/huber_robinson/status/1351242659982168067?s=20
This give the link to our conversation with Harsh Ji about the ASA Encyclopedia development. Made very good progress. Is short discussion. If you want to develop T. Brown's view of the cosmos then join us.
ASA[e], VAD, Stri-dharma, Duhsasana-death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqkRGISQr8&t=11s [4.34.05 - 4.38.15]
Especially 4.37.20 - We weren't born to be happy."
Contents of the Brochure that follows for asa[e], interfaith dialog, christmas information.
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Hare Krishna Gurudeva
Please accept my obeisances
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yesterday, Wednesday December 23rd, was a beautiful day, Krishna helped everything to go well. A few days ago I had finished the article for the neighbors, they are quotes from Srila Prabhupada about Jesus Christ, just as you advised me in the FMP chat a few weeks ago.
The night before I asked Prabhu Muni Priya to help me with printing, he works in that field. The same Wednesday he was able to print it and I went to look for it at his work. Before that, I went to buy bhoga to make sweet balls to share with the neighbors. Prabhu Enrrique from Harinam donated part of the bhoga and packaging bags to us. Mother Phyllis from the temple helped us with the preparation, with the help of Prabhu Marcelo. We printed 100 brochures and made 100 sweet balls
Then when everything was ready, I asked Prabhu Vasudeva, the temple brahmacari, to accompany me to distribute the flyers, and he agreed. At around 6:00 p.m. we went out to the square in front of the Santa Isabel supermarket, one block from the temple. There a Christmas fair is brewing. We set up a table with books, which I was attending, while prabhu Vasudeva handed out the brochures and prasadam.
It was a success, we distributed all the flyers, the prasadam, a Bhagavad gita, two collections of books and other small books.
Here I share the article I wrote:
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Jesus Christ - Eternal Teacher
Hello Neighbors! We are ISKCON, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, commonly known as "The Hare Krishna." On the Christmas of this intense pandemic year, we share with you excerpts from our books from the publisher Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, written by Su Divina Gracia A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. They talk about the life, glory and importance of Jesus Christ.
Understanding Krisha and Christ
This is an excerpt from our book "The Science of Self-Realization"
- Krishna or Christ: the name is the same-
Year 1974. Near the ISKCON center in Frankfurt am Main, Germany, Śrīla Prabhupāda and several of his disciples go for a morning walk with Father Emmanuel Jungclaussen, a Benedictine monk from the Niederalteich monastery. Father Emmanuel, noticing that Śrīla Prabhupāda wears meditation beads similar to the rosary, explains that he also prays a prayer continuously: "Lord Jesus Christ, be merciful to us." The following conversation resulted from it.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of the word Christ?
Father Emmanuel: Christ comes from the Greek cristos, which means "the anointed one."
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Christs is the Greek version of the word Krishna.
Father Emmanuel: That is very interesting.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: When a Hindu invokes Krishna, he often says "Krishta." Krishta is a Sanskrit word that means "attraction." So when we address God as "Christ," "Krishta," or "Krishna," we are pointing to the same fully attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be Your name," that name of God was "Krishta" or "Krishna." Do you agree?
Father Emmanuel: I believe that Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the true name of God: Christ. We can call God "Father", but if we want to address Him by His real name, we have to say "Christ."
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. "Christ" is another way of saying "Krishta", and "Krishta" is another way of saying "Krishna", the name of God. Jesus said that one must glorify the name of God, but yesterday I heard a theologian say that God has no name, that we can only call him "Father." A son may call his father "Father," but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, "God" is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is "Krishna." Therefore, whether you call God "Christ," "Krishta," or "Krishna," you are ultimately addressing the Supreme Personality of Godhead himself.
Father Emmanuel: Yes. If we speak of the true name of God, then we must say "Christs." In our religion we have the Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe that we can know the name of God only through the revelation of the Son of God. Jesus Christ revealed the name of the Father, and therefore we take the name "Christ" as the revealed name of God.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Actually, it doesn't matter - "Krishna" or "Christ" - the name is the same. The main thing is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic literatures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. "Rama" and "Krishna" are names of God, and "Hare" is the energy of God. So when we chant the maha-mantra, we are addressing God, and also His energy. This energy is of two kinds: spiritual and material. Today we are in the grip of material energy. Therefore, we pray to Krishna asking him to kindly release us from serving the material energy and accept that we serve the spiritual energy. That is our whole philosophy. "Hare Krishna" means: "Oh God energy, oh God [Krishna], please engage me in Your service." Our nature is to serve. In one way or another, we have put ourselves at the service of material things, but when this service is transformed into service to spiritual energy, then our life is perfect. To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to be free from designations such as "Hindu," "Muslim," "Christian," this or that, and simply to serve God. We have created the Christian, Hindu and Mohammedan religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in which we do not think that we are Hindu or Christian or Muslim, then we can speak of pure religion, of bhakti.
His sacrifice
“In history there are many examples of devotees of the Lord risking their lives for the spreading of the God consciousness process. The favorite example is that of the Lord Jesus Christ. He was crucified by non-devotees, but sacrificed his life to spread the God consciousness process. Of course, it would be superficial to believe that they killed him.
[Bhagavad-gītā 11.55, purport]
Always kind
“Apparently, Jesus Christ was put in one of those great difficulties by being crucified by the ignorant, but he never got angry with the evildoers. That is the way to accept things, whether they are favorable or not.
[Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.17.22, purport]
Singing their names
Jesus Christ has undoubtedly changed our lives, and continues to do so. Chanting Hare Krishna does not imply changing your religion, the Krishna consciousness process goes beyond the faith we have. We follow the instructions that Jesus Christ gives in his Father Our Father: "Hallowed be your name."
For this era of Kali Yuga, an era of quarrel and hypocrisy, the chanting of God's names, the sanctification of his name is vital to keep away all the eventualities that disturb our life, such as sickness, poverty and lack of spiritual life.
Immanuel, Yahvehn, Adonai, Jehovah, Elohim, etc. Only in the bible do we find many names of God.
In our Vaishnava culture (Hare Krishna) there are also an infinite number of ways to name God, and the most prominent are Krishna and Rama. Hare is the name of its energy, just as the sun generates light, there cannot be light without its source and the sun without its light. Krishna is the Supreme attractive and Rama the source of pleasure.
The important thing is to sing his names, where you name him, he is present.
Go ahead and sing:
Hare krishna
Hare krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare
Hare Rama
Hare Rama
Branch branch
Hare Hare
- ISKCON CHILE -
International Society for Krishna Consciousness
Jose Miguel Carrera 330
isckon.cl / @iskconcl
Contact: …….
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I want to please you, I want to serve you.
Soon I will share the Christmas carol that I promised.
My obeisances Gurudeva.
Hare Krishna!
His Clown
Piyari mohan das
HpS - Is very nice. We did not read all the citations, but they look very thorough for new people. I feel that Srila Prabhupad would be very pleased with this effort and Krsna will send innocent people to get potency and intelligence from this work!
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Español
Hare Krishna Gurudeva
Por favor acepte mis reverencias
Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada
Ayer, miércoles 23 de diciembre fue un día hermoso, Krishna ayudó a que todo saliera bien. Hace unos días había terminado el artículo para los vecinos, son citas de Srila Prabhupada sobre Jesucristo, tal cómo usted me aconsejó en el chat de FMP hace unas semanas.
La noche anterior pedí a prabhu Muni Priya que me ayudara con la impresión, el trabaja en ese rubro. El mismo miércoles lo pudo imprimir y lo fuí a buscar a su trabajo. Antes de ello fuí a comprar bhoga para hacer bolitas dulces para compartir con los vecinos. Prabhu Enrrique de Harinam nos donó parte del bhoga y bolsas para envasar, madre Phyllis del templo nos ayudó con la elaboración, con la ayuda de prabhu Marcelo. Imprimimos 100 folletos y se hicieron 100 bolitas dulces.
Luego cuándo todo estaba listo, pedí a prabhu Vasudeva, brahmacari del templo, que me acompañara a repartir los volantes, y accedió. A eso de las 18.00 salimos a la plaza que queda frente al supermercado Santa Isabel, a una cuadra del templo. Allí se está gestando una feria navideña. Colocamos una mesa con libros, la cuál estuve atendiendo, mientras que prabhu Vasudeva repartía los folletos y el prasadam.
Fue un éxito, distribuimos todos los volantes, el prasadam, un Bhagavad gita, dos colecciones de libros y otros libros pequeños.
Aquí le comparto el artículo que redacté:
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Jesucristo - Eterno Maestro
¡Hola Vecinos(as)! somos ISKCON, la Sociedad Internacional para la conciencia de Krishna, comúnmente nos conocen cómo “Los Hare Krishna”. En la navidad de este intenso año de pandemia, les compartimos extractos de nuestros libros de la editorial Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, escritos por Su Divina Gracia A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. En ellos se habla sobre la vida, gloria e importancia de Jesucristo.
Entendiendo a Krisha y a Cristo
Este es un extracto de nuestro libro "La ciencia de la Autorrealización"
- Krishna o Cristo: el nombre es el mismo-
Año 1974. Cerca del centro ISKCON de Francfort am Main, Alemania, Śrīla Prabhupāda y varios de sus discípulos salen a una caminata matutina con el padre Emmanuel Jungclaussen, un monje benedictino del monasterio de Niederalteich. El padre Emmanuel, notando que Śrīla Prabhupāda lleva unas cuentas de meditación similares al rosario, explica que él también reza una oración continuamente: «Señor Jesucristo, sé misericordioso con nosotros». La siguiente conversación resultó de ello.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: ¿Cuál es el significado de la palabra Cristo?
Padre Emmanuel: Cristo proviene del griego cristos, que significa «el ungido».
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Cristos es la versión griega de la palabra Krishna.
Padre Emmanuel: Eso es muy interesante.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Cuando un hindú invoca a Krishna, frecuentemente dice «Krishta». Krishta es una palabra sánscrita que significa «atracción». Así que, cuando nos dirigimos a Dios como «Cristo», «Krishta», o «Krishna», estamos señalando a la misma plenamente atractiva Suprema Personalidad de Dios. Cuando Jesús dijo: «Padre nuestro, que estás en los cielos, santificado sea Tu nombre», ese nombre de Dios era «Krishta» o «Krishna». ¿Está usted de acuerdo?
Padre Emmanuel: Yo creo que Jesús, como hijo de Dios, nos ha revelado el verdadero nombre de Dios: Cristo. Podemos llamar a Dios «Padre», pero si queremos dirigirnos a Él por Su verdadero nombre, tenemos que decir «Cristo».
Śrīla Prabhupāda: Sí. «Cristo» es otra manera de decir «Krishta», y «Krishta» es otra manera de pronunciar «Krishna»,el nombre de Dios. Jesús dijo que uno debe glorificar el nombre de Dios, pero ayer yo oí a un teólogo decir que Dios no tiene ningún nombre, que sólo podemos llamarlo «Padre». Un hijo puede que llame a su padre «Padre», pero el padre también tiene un nombre específico. En forma similar, «Dios» es el nombre general de la Suprema Personalidad de Dios, cuyo nombre específico es «Krishna». Por lo tanto, bien sea que usted llame a Dios «Cristo», «Krishta», o «Krishna», en fin de cuentas se está dirigiendo a la misma Suprema Personalidad de Dios.
Padre Emmanuel: Sí. Si hablamos del verdadero nombre de Dios, entonces debemos decir «Cristos». En nuestra religión tenemos la Trinidad: el Padre, el Hijo y el Espíritu Santo. Nosotros creemos que podemos conocer el nombre de Dios sólo mediante la revelación del Hijo de Dios. Jesucristo reveló el nombre del Padre, y, por lo tanto, nosotros tomamos el nombre «Cristo» como el nombre revelado de Dios.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: En realidad, no importa - «Krishna» o «Cristo» - , el nombre es el mismo. Lo principal es seguir los mandatos de las Escrituras védicas que recomiendan cantar el nombre de Dios en esta era. La manera más fácil consiste en cantar el maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. «Rama» y «Krishna» son nombres de Dios, y «Hare» es la energía de Dios. Así que, cuando cantamos el maha-mantra, nos dirigimos a Dios, y también a Su energía. Esta energía es de dos clases: la espiritual y la material. En la actualidad nos encontramos en las garras de la energía material. Por lo tanto, oramos a Krishna pidiéndole que tenga la bondad de liberarnos de servir a la energía material y acepte que sirvamos a la energía espiritual. En eso consiste toda nuestra filosofía. «Hare Krishna» significa: «¡Oh, energía de Dios!, ¡oh, Dios [Krishna]!, por favor, ocupadme en Vuestro servicio». Nuestra naturaleza es prestar servicio. De una forma u otra, nos hemos puesto al servicio de las cosas materiales, pero, cuando este servicio se transforma en servicio a la energía espiritual, entonces nuestra vida es perfecta. Practicar bhakti-yoga [servicio amoroso a Dios] significa quedar libre de designaciones tales como «hindú», «musulmán», «cristiano», esto o aquello, y simplemente servir a Dios. Hemos creado las religiones cristiana, hindú y mahometana, pero, cuando llegamos a una religión sin designaciones, en la que no pensamos que somos hindúes ni cristianos ni musulmanes, podemos hablar entonces de religión pura, de bhakti.
Su sacrificio
“En la historia hay muchos ejemplos de devotos del Señor que arriesgaron la vida en aras de la difusión del proceso de conciencia de Dios. El ejemplo predilecto es el del Señor Jesucristo. Él fue crucificado por los no devotos, pero sacrificó su vida para difundir el proceso de conciencia de Dios. Desde luego, sería superficial creer que lo mataron”.
[Bhagavad-gītā 11.55, significado]
Siempre Bondadoso
“Aparentemente, Jesucristo fue puesto en una de esas grandes dificultades al ser crucificado por los ignorantes, pero él nunca se puso furioso con los malhechores. Ésa es la manera de aceptar las cosas, ya sean favorables o no”.
[Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.17.22, significado]
Cantando sus nombres
Sin duda Jesucristo ha cambiado nuestras vidas, y lo sigue haciendo. Cantar Hare Krishna no implica cambiar de religión, el proceso de conciencia de Krishna va más allá de la fe que tengamos. Seguimos las instrucciones que Jesucristo da en su padre nuestro: "Santificado sea tu nombre".
Para esta era de Kali Yuga, una era de riña e hipocresía, el canto de los nombres de Dios, la santificación de su nombre es vital para mantener lejos todas las eventualidades que perturben nuestra vida, cómo la enfermedad, la pobreza y la falta de vida espiritual.
Emanuel, Yahvehn, Adonai, Jehová, Elohim, etc. Tan solo en la biblia encontramos muchos nombres de Dios.
En nuestra cultura Vaishnava (Hare Krishna) también existen una infinidad de maneras de nombrar a Dios, y los más resaltantes son Krishna y Rama. Hare es el nombre de su energía, tal como el sol genera luz, no puede existir luz sin su fuente ni sol sin su luz. Krishna es el Supremo atractivo y Rama la fuente del placer.
Lo importante es cantar sus nombres, dónde lo nombres, él está presente.
Anímate y canta:
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare
Hare Rama
Hare Rama
Rama Rama
Hare Hare
- ISKCON CHILE -
Sociedad Internacional para la conciencia de Krishna
José Miguel Carrera 330
isckon.cl / @iskconcl
Contacto: …….
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Deseo complacerte, deseo servirte.
Pronto compartiré el villancico que prometí.
Mis reverencias Gurudeva.
¡Hare Krishna!
Su Payaso
Piyari Mohan das
asa[e], yoga ladder, karma vs. jnana
Hare Krsna dear Gurudeva
Please accept our humble obeisances
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
I hope you're in good health.
ASA(TB/BW) - There is no KDPC right now. The mail is not overwhelming our poor HpSwami.
Please, I would like to ask you a question for which I have not yet found an answer.
Srila Prabhupada mentions in many sections of the Srimad Bhagavatam about the fate of Karmis (heavenly planets) and Jñanis (merging into the Brahman effulgence). The fate of Karmi that pursues enjoyment is easy to understand because of a great desire, a proportional reward. What I cannot understand is how knowledge, logical deduction and philosophical speculation leads the jñani to his spiritual identity nullification. In what way can knowledge result in emptiness, being seemingly substantial and capable of neutralizing the illegitimate desire of the karmi?
Can the gross desire of karmis be understood to be opposed to the mental speculator's lust for control, or are they basically different expressions of a similar consciousness?
Your servant
Gandharva das
ASA - To quote our Siksa guru, Jayananda Das, "I don't know, but it seems to me that...".
NOI 10 gives some basic perspective!
Then we have to distinguish between Karma-yogis, Jnana-yogis. Bh. V. Th. defined Bhakti as commitment to honesty. So, Socrates and his recent follower Anthony Flew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew), were Jnanis, but they were honest. Flew shocked the entire world, and maybe drove many atheists to the pub, when he announced he believed in God. For years he had been a POWERFUL debater and proponent of Atheism.
When he announced his change he explained that at the beginning of his career and association with others at Oxford he had adopted Socrate's basic idea, that we shall use logic and argument (jnana) to consider the problem and then we shall accept wherever the process takes us without personal consideration.
So, Flew said that after considering the situation for so long he had come to the conclusion that there must be a God as Aristotle describes.
So, in a certain way he as a jnana-yogi.
Prabhupada said that Socrates we a good boy, just didn't have a Guru.
By jnana we can only come to realize brahman (there is a reality) and paramatma (reality has eternal forms and there is "the hand of God" in things).
To realize a personal, Bhagavan, relationship with God you need His divine grace.
O.K.?
A Karmi is not progressive. He demands only potatoes for his sacrifice, and does not want to develop wisdom (jnana).
A jnani is not progressive. He is not a jnana-yogi. He demands impersonal wisdom for his sacrifice.
We see phrases like, "When you go for revenge, better to did two graves first", from Confucius, which detaches you from Karma but leaves you in a void.
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Can we say that the most prominent Jnana community in the modern world are the Mathematicians?
Of course, science is termed as Rational Empiricism, or can we say Mathematical Empiricism. By taking Mathematics to pragmatic empirical level it surely results in sense gratification, smart phones, Hulu, latest Tom Cruise movie.
Look at Mathematics. How fundament is Euclid's Elements [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_Elements] to Mathematics? There seem to be "higher" mathematics after that, but many are still based upon his fundamental axiom, postulate, in which we must place blind faith, the definition of The Point.
It seems that in Higher Mathematics they go outside of this and we get into another kind of Jnana, but is it still determined to be atheistic or is it like Socrates? I have heard that Srila Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati gave a demonstration of Bhagavata philosophy from Mathematics. I mean there are "transcendental numbers" in Mathematics. 😎
Coming back to the point which is that basis of so much of our modern jnana, you know that it is described as that which has no extension: no width, no depth, no weight, no mother, no cellular, no... no... no... In Sanskrit you know this philosophy? Neti neti. No this, not this. So that leads us to impersonalism. Some rare Mathematicians might follow this to its conclusion and enter the Brahmajyoti.
Are these some useful ideas, or have we completely missed the point of your question, or do you have more details?
asa[e], ifd
We were born into a Christian family and our Mother taught us to recite The Lord's Prayer each night before going to sleep.
Then our neighbor's dog died when we were about four years old, and we were very depressed because we realized that we were little and could die just like Suzy, the neighbor's dog. We became nauseous and could not each much. We didn't discuss it with our parents because we knew they could not help, but then we began to think very seriously about the prayers we were reciting nightly and decided that the authorities who believed in Jesus must have a reasonable understanding of him, so we decided he could save us from death.
Other experiences happened but when we came in contact with Srila Prabhupada and Gaudiya Vaisnavism we were very attracted but we were wondering about seemingly replacing Christ with someone elese.
Then we heard Srila Prabhupada speaking while he was in Berkeley Temple in 1975, and he said with such respect, depth and practical realization, that Lord Jesus Christ had done such wonderful preaching work in the West, and then we were conviced that we had never met a better Chiristian than Srila Prabhupada, and if we really wanted to serve Christ then Srila Prabhupada was the best via media for that.
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Three Kings come from the East with gifts for baby Jesus. Bh. V. Th., Bh. S. S. and Srila Prabhupada?
Songs, Diamond Sharp Argument, Big Mrdanga?
Hare Krsna Gurudeva.
Agt SP!!!!
Agt Guru y Gauranga!!!!
Gurudeva, I have ear about ASA Pedia, but I don´t know anything about.
Is one of your official works for integrated devotees, or is possible participate any devotee?
HpS - ASA Encyclopedia is project we are trying to start with Harsh, but is still not born. Watch for news.
Thanks you very much for all.
Hari bolo Maharaja!
Have nice day!
HARE KRSNA!!!
