Standard for Initiatin - Letter to Gunagrahi das Goswami

10 years, 9 months ago by bhaktanicasio in Special Category A, Hot Topics

Title: opinion about open secret in ISKCON Hare Krisna!!!

Please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada,

Esteemed Gunagrahi das Goswami,

Recently i finished the disciples course which is now a requisite to take initiation within our institution. i felt very satisfied taking the course, and i think everybody should take it. it is a very nice opportunity for an intense and funny sadhu sanga while learning about guru tattva and the standards in ISKCON. I really appreciate how ISKCON as an institution is working hard to make everything more clear and establishing clear rules and procedures in order to protect the position and teachings of the Founder Acarya Srila Prabhupada. We are maturing. Gives confidence.

Although the course is very clear and it covers many subjects that you can say it is much more than a mere disciples course, there is something that still it is not clear to me. when it comes to selecting a guru the course defines the steps to take and it says: one should engage in favourable devotional service, follow the four principles STRICTLY, chanting sixteen rounds, and a full morning program. During this period one should focus in SRila PRabhupada as prominent siksa guru. after six months of following the above one can select an authorized diksa guru and take shelter. after a minimum of six months of having taken shelter one can accept vaisnava diksa and it says that the guru is not obliged to iniciate de candidate.

So this is pretty clear, in theory. but in the practice i can notice that there is different deffinitions of following STRICTLY, and specifically regarding about sex life. It is an open secret that there are two different standards about illicit sex within ISKCON. a few months ago you sent an article regarding this topic, "Family Matters" by Matsya-avatar Prabhu. The lower standard is having regulated sex life within marriage and the higher is having sex life only after garbadhana samskara.

Then there are some gurus within ISKCON that give initiation to devotees that are following the lower standard, and there are other gurus that only give initiation to those devotees who follow the higher standard. So in our yatra we have a devotee which is very involved and commited to the mission, actually he is one of the leaders of the yatra. He is chanting sixteen rounds, having morning program, involved in favourable devotional service, and following the lower standard for seven years now. In the present time this devotee is following everything strictly according to the higher standard for six months and will be eight months of following when his gurumaharaj visit the yatra. he is asking to be initiated to give strength to his spiritual life. he has the benediction to be initiated by the local yatra leader mahajan prabhu, maha hari prabhu, president of ISKCON argentina and even by yourself.

His gurumaharaj initiates devotees who follow the higher standard only. what do you think maharaj? should this devotee be initiated as a special mercy to him or he must wait until he follows everything for one year? please comment on this topic.

your humble servant.

Bhakta Nicasio.

Dietys as Our Children

10 years, 9 months ago by hps in Special Category A, Hot Topics

AGTSP

paoho

Can we think of the ISKCON Deities as our children etc. Srila Prabhupada makes a summary study of Rupa Goswami's coments on this in NOD. 

http://vedabase.com/en/nod/16

As we remember, this is also Lord Kapila's advice to his mother, that she was already in the perfectional stage by thinking of Lord Kapila as her son, but she should do this with the perspective of the Sankhya yoga that He was teaching her.

We also remember that Srila Prabhupada states that the two people most likely to fall down in this movement are the Pujaris and the personal servants of the Spiritual Master. Familiarity breed contempt. To be protected from this they must always follow the etiquette of serving Guru and Deities.

Anyone else have and short comments?

comparison between mathematics and religion

Dear GM, PAMHO

AGTSP

AGTYH

              ASA - AGTSP paoho.  AGTYH (All Glories To Yellow Hobbits?).

From a Vaiṣṇava perspective, is there any validity to the comparison between mathematics and religion discussed below?

Thursday, October 24, 2013 An Interview with David Berlinski … But why should we take seriously religious beliefs that are lacking in evidence?

DB: We shouldn’t. But asking someone like Richard Dawkins about the evidence for God’s existence is a little like asking a quadruple amputee to run the marathon. The interesting point is elsewhere. There is no argument against religion that is not also an argument against mathematics. Mathematicians are capable of grasping a world of objects that lies beyond space and time …. … Come again …

DB: No need to come again: I got to where I was going the first time. The number four, after all, did not come into existence at a particular time, and it is not going to go out of existence at another time. It is neither here nor there. Nonetheless we are in some sense able to grasp the number by a faculty of our minds. Mathematical intuition is utterly mysterious. So for that matter is the fact that mathematical objects such as a Lie Group or a differentiable manifold have the power to interact with elementary particles or accelerating forces. But these are precisely the claims that theologians have always made as well – that human beings are capable by an exercise of their devotional abilities to come to some understanding of the deity; and the deity, although beyond space and time, is capable of interacting with material objects. …

And this is something that you, a secular Jew, believe? …

DB: What a question! I feel like I’m being interviewed by the Dean at some horrible community college. Do you believe in the university’s mission – that sort of thing. Look, I have no religious convictions and no religious beliefs. What I do believe is that theology is no more an impossible achievement than mathematics. The same rational standards apply. Does the system make sense; does it explain something? Are there deep principles at work. Is it productive? http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/10/found-upon-web-and-reprinted-here.html

HpS - Jaya!  Wonderful!  AGTSP.  Paoho.  We have seen other Youtube things on Berlinski. He is very nice person in many ways. His arguments seem totally valid. I think the problem in comparison with Bhagavata philosophy is the definition of what is Mathematics? As I remember the Britannica says that there is no real clear defition of the scope, validity or methodology of what is Mathematics. What is the boundary between Mathematics and Logic? Mathematics and English Grammar, Sanskrit Grammar, Fortran, C++?

In the LOB Prabhupada uses a classical description, Physics is the King of the Sciences and Mathematics is the Queen.

In general, Mathematics would seem to deal with Jnana level of things and Krsna is quite approachable on that level, but Berlinski seems to be going beyond that to the obvious source of Mathematics which is intuitive, Corrollarys, Postulates, Axioms.

Thank you. What is Mathematics?

news from the frontlines

10 years, 9 months ago by Raulmontreal in Special Category A

AGTSP !!

Please accept our humble obeisances

Dear maharaja

We continue distributing books and finding a deeper meaning, rasa, need, and joy in doing it.  We have to communicate in French and English here in Montreal and be really sharp in the preaching when passers by require a bit more of info. We have Life comes from Life in french as well as Isopanishad plus Higher Taste,

HpS - ASA - Jaya!!!!  Isopanisad is so general that the verses appeal to many people. "Oh, that's the same God I worship! Let me read about that!"

bhaktina teresa (bs.as) - Jesukristo

  TODAS LAS GLORIAS A SRI SRI GAURA NITAI, TLGSP Y MIS RESPETUOSAS REVERENCIAS A USTED GURU MAHARAJA! 

MAHA HARI PRABHU ESTA MUY BIEN COMO SIEMPRE ENCARGADO DE LOS SERVICIOS Y CUIDANDO DE SUS DEVOTOS.... SI LEYENDO C.CARITAMRTA ADI LILA!!! SOBRE SRI ADVAITA AUNQE POR MI IGNORANCIA MUCHO NO PUEDO ENTENDER...ALLER ESTUVE LEYENDO EL NUEVO TESTAMENTO HACIENDO COMPARACIONES DE JESUS Y EL SEÑOR CAITANYA O EL SEÑOR NITYANANDA ¿TIENEN MUCHAS SIMILITUDES NO GM?...

            HpS - TlgaSP. Si, Predicando. Prabhupada dijo que Senor Jesukristo es nuestra Guru! 

Puede ver en la Biblia que era (es) una situacion muy fuerte, personas condenado por su Karma vivir donde no hay agua. Entonces TIENE que matar animales (y seres humanos) para vivir. Si, con la misericordia de un Guru puede adjustar mucho. Pienso aun mejor son los historias de los Santos. Posible Teresa de Avila, su libro. Pero muy bien es el libro Krsna!!!

Buena suerte con su predica!!!

Mas noticias del Yatra..

Reading Upadesamruta

Hare Krishna Maharaj,

Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Gurudev.

We very happy and absolutely ready to read Upadesamruta under your direction and to do the home work along with reading Srila Prabhupad's biography.

At present. I'm reading Bhagavad Gita and things which were not clear earlier, slowly revealing the true meaning. And also reading a bit Srimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Charitamruta (when they are referenced in BG).

Slowly experiencing the difference between "understanding" and "following/practicing".

Hope to serve the LORD and devotees with you mercy and blessings.

Your humble servant

Subhala sakha Das

              HpS - ASA - Very nice. AGTSP.  Paoho.  How is the family? Who is in the family? Who are your primary associates in Mayapura? How do you make your money. A picture and description of your home altar!!

Our ASA, NOI study guide is at http://www.jayarama.us/archives/tpp-noi.doc

What do you think of it?  Maybe you could edit it and we could co-publish it.

We get to Kolkatta on the 10th morning, February, and then get to Mayapura like 15th evening. We will stay until 24th, then go to Vrndavan and back to USA 1st March! [Lord Vasudeva willing]

Yessss, understanding is Jnana yoga and applying is Bhakti yoga. Of course they are very related, no? If you don't understand then how can you apply? What is family studying?