Summary Colloquim PUC - Day 2 - Table: INDIGENOUS TRADITIONS

Hare Krishna, Dear Guru Maharaja,

HpS - Thank you. The post seems to end abruptly and the described Spanish language original is not there. Is there more?

Gaston Soublette refered this epic poem, “La Araucana”, which according Britannica: “Alonso de Ercilla y Zúñiga, a Spanish soldier who fought in the Araucanian wars, celebrated the courage and martial qualities of the Araucanians in the epic poem La Araucana (1569–89). This work is known as the “Aeneid of the Chileans.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Araucaniad

Wikipedia add that is “one of the most important works of the Spanish Golden Age (Siglo de Oro).”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Araucana

 

Now about the summary:

The table two, last Wednesday, it was a crucial table of this colloquium because the indigenous theme now is relevant in Chile and other countries too.

The name of the second table was:

TABLE 2: NATURE AND THE SACRED: INDIGENOUS TRADITIONS

Moderator: Claudia Lira

The accurate summary of the table was made by Carlos Rold and is here now mainly thank Microsoft Translator tool (original Spanish at the end). We will add a shorter-summary of the first day of Colloquim also in a second entry, just for knowledge.

UC COLLOQUIUM SUMMARY, 2ND SESSION WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14

Presentation 1: Jorge Calbucura (living now in Sweden): "Reflections on the sacralization of the territory. Two indigenous perspectives: Mapuche and Sami"

The emotional worldview of indigenous peoples defines our well-being from the knowledge and of our feeling and thinking.

Indigenous worldview is a cosmos imbued with sacrality.

The shaman is a special human being who has direct communication with the gods and spirits of nature, but who also performs many functions and has many attributes in his community.

Shamanic culture is more than 50.000 years old.

The Mapuche shaman is the machi, in any case most machis are women.

Definitions of shamanism are numerous, the concept exists only as an abstraction in the minds of researchers.

Shamanism Sami remains a mystery to researchers and represents a practice of thousands of years of history that is still not fully understood.

Today there is an institutionalized "shamanic" culture that is exercised without an understanding of shamanic roots.

The Sami people, settled mainly in Norway, Sweden and Finland, were definitively Christianized in the 17th century and with that they were dominated along with their territories, the Sami were judicially removed from all political activity and those who did not accept Christianity were accused of witchcraft, banned from doing their ancestral activities and many were burned at the stake

The Sami tried to integrate Christianity as yet another element of their shamanic spirituality, but the Catholic church did not accept it and began a campaign of persecution, for example: they were forced to deliver their musical instruments to prevent them from performing their rituals. It is very likely that the Sami drum caused much fear to the authorities and rulers because of the powerful beliefs in the environment.

The Sami shamanic vision allows us to understand where we are, who we are, what hurts us and that our future is in the past, so rediscovering our past is fundamental to the construction of the future.

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I'll do a little parenthesis here,

This estimated [esteemed] researcher and actual Mapuche person reply to my email saying:

"Dear Javier Armijo
Thank you very much for your kind words, I am glad that you liked my presentation. On the possibilities of establishing contacts, actually, I appreciate your interest with great pleasure and in advance. On the similarities between knowledge (India and Mapuche). It is very possible, it is ancestral knowledge and in the case of indigenous peoples, my interest is the Kultrun circuit that begins in Mongolia, Siberia and descends to the Wallmapu (Land of Mapuche in South America, Chile and part of Argentina)"



Presentation 2: Francisco Huichaqueo: "W'ne adngen / the image before the image"

He recounted a testimony, a story that happened to him in relation to his work as an audiovisual artist.

Four years ago the authorities of the Archaeological Museum of Santiago invited him to work on Mapuche relics, the museum calls them archaeological objects.

 He didn't want to take the job, because it wasn't his specialty, so he traveled south for advice and spoke to the director of the Cañete Museum, Juanita Paillalef, and she told him to accept the mission, and called it a "spiritual mission." The museum managers wanted everything fast and set up an exhibition of Mapuche ancestral objects in 1 month, but Francis said that it can not be so fast, you have to wait, the Mapuche times, and especially for these matters, are different, there is no rush. During his trip south a Machi told him a dream would come to him. Then after a while he arrived and had a mystical dream where there were many objects flying in space and it was experienced as a revelation, for him it was a spiritual experience of unfolding or astral journey. Suddenly in space a white light opens and he saw many Mapuche objects in an enclosed space, those for domestic use, those for ritual and spiritual use, everything was caught flying. He told the Machi's dream and she told him that he needed time to "digest" Francis' dream, then the days passed and the Machi had his dream: that light was the ancient Mapuche people who wanted to connect with the objects and be released from the glass boxes. Francis wrote the following for the exhibition:

"Wenu Pelon - Portal of Light

There is a portal where distant spaces are connected, it is a tunnel through which objects travel to meet their original meaning.

The objects leave our fields, from our houses, are for daily use, but they are also our ceremonial objects. They are now heading through space towards the glare of the sky, spiraling up into the portal of light. Shaking the dust they leave behind the drawers of conservation, the labels of the archaeological cataloguing disappear. Thus, flying, they stir their energy to regain the condition of living objects, bearers of wisdom. They are activated by our energy, our way of seeing and living today's world.

Voices are heard as objects move through the portal on the way to Wenu Mapu, the Land of Heaven - we are not museum objects, we are a living culture. You see a silhouette, it's a familiar portrait, a horse recognizes the smell of a Kultrún, a branch of Fuye/Canelo travels down the river water until he finds the hands of a Machi.

In this space and for an indefinite time will rise a begging day and night. By the end of the process, our objects will be lighter and have regained the secret of why we're here.

"Spiritual instinct before reason."

This last sentence came suddenly to him as an intense vision.

Wenu Pelon is the name of the expo.

Francis said "I obeyed my dream, we must obey the dream, I could have claimed all the objects for the Cañete Museum, for example, but it was necessary to bring the ancestral Mapuche energy to the center of the capital. The exhibition was inaugurated with a guillatún and with the participation of representatives of the Mapuche people... I let myself be guided by my dream"

Francis projected his audiovisual work inside the objects

Mapuche archaeological sites.

He assembles his programming with which he is feeling and with which he dreams, so is his job as curator, because the museum appointed him curator of art, and a machi told him that he was like "healer", so that he could "cure" through that space; that's curatory, feelings, dreams and life itself, there are no authors.

Presentation 3: Carmen Vicente: "School of Secrets of Carmen Vicente; an aesthetic education from his shamanism"

She was born in 1956 in Loja, southern Ecuador. From the age of 4 she began to be educated as a shaman and is now recognized as a spiritual leader. In 2003 he [she] promoted and created the "School of Secrets".

"I grew up watching adults hide the crops so the authorities wouldn't take everything. As a child I learned to cure animals and then boys, I was 5 years old and at 14 I just went to town.

Shaman is a trade, a job, a shaman will also go fishing, to seek water, to work the land, he does everything for the coexistence of the community."

sHe wanted to go into town to understand the lyrics and know what the lyrics say. She said she was "old" by the age of 14, so she had to go to an adult night school to learn to read. She became friends who took her to the courtyards of the universities to listen to the debates that took place at the time influenced by the artistic current that came from chili in the 70s and that talked about the political situation in that country.

"Today health systems do not reach the Amazons where children are sick from the toxicity of rivers caused by companies; then, the energy and work of shamans understand which plants you can heal this toxicity with and diseases.

From all the women teachers in my community, I learned what education should look like in order to maintain direct communication with nature.

One of the things I learned in the city is that the authorities were white men; then, when I started teaching in different groups and communities, I understood that I also had to educate white people because they will remain in power.

When I had the idea of creating a school, I told myself it would be a school of secrets to teach everything we have on earth. I want to be because what is one's own is loved. I love it when people say "our indigenous peoples," because we want them to see us and feel that way: "ours"; this has to do with care, taking care of the peoples who have been here for thousands of years, of course modern people could live without us, but how nice it would be if we all continue together, that we all integrate and live together in the world. Shamanism is also this "joint" or union of knowledge and experiences. The school is defined by us and not by the ministry."

KDPC - Divya Drsti dd from Cusco

Hare Krishna Gurudeva! Pamho! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

Divya Drsti Mataji asked me to send you this letter :

Hare Krishna Gurumaharaja

Please, receive my humble obeisances

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

Gurudeva, I send you this letter to inform you that the first puppets presentation will be in one month, the 12 november, I'll send you a vídeo before, so you can see It and make a feedback.

HpS - ASA -- !

We will make as well a presentation for 20 December as a gift for Christmas for Gopalito, cowboys and all children.

ASA -- ! ! !

The last month I've took a course on puppets with an Argentinian teacher and classmates from many countries online.

ASA - Su, su, super! First there was Shreck and now there is Divya-drsti Devi Dasi.

I'm planning to get knowledge constantly on this subject of puppets, getting online courses for instance.

HpS - Please share the educational resources here!

Now I'm doing book distribution 3 times per week, the book "El cazador y el Sabio" in Quechua and Spanish is sold very well because Cusco city is the land of Quechua.

I'm living 50% of the time on the sacred Valley of Cusco and 50% in Cusco city.

I'm opening soon a store with the help of my family in the Sacred Valley to sell Srila Prabhupada books and some prasadam in a small house that my father is facilitating to me.

I'm still fighting with health problems and depressions, althought I think while I continue with the preaching throught art It will be heal because it's my dharma.

HpS - Depression is usually fatigue, no? We want to do so many things, but we have fatigue and then that creates mental self criticism... Maybe you will die of fatigue this year.

Jaya!

What will your next body be? Yet, every liberated soul has more power than all the Indras in all the material worlds combined! Solution. Become liberated. Engage in chanting constantly. If you can breath you can chant, no?

Hare Krsna... Hare Krsna!!!

Envoyez-nous des nouvelles de la nouvelle Super Woman!

Please, Gurudeva if you have any suggestios for me...I listen.

Please, I have a question: How can I develop preaching throught art in a way that It heals my health problems and the constant depressions that I have?

How can I change these samskaras in me and have a new starting of life?

My greatest dream is to preach and can be an inspiration for children, young people and women with the time, when I'll learn well of the puppets I want to teach and leave my offering like that.

Thank you very much.

Your servant :

Divya Dristi D D

HpS - ASA -- You seem to be in an auspicious path. Just try to travel faster, no changing to other path. Your store can sponsor events eg. cooking lessons. Sacred music retreats. Puppet workshops. Psycho dramas.

"Cante Pa Tu Alma"

4 years, 6 months ago by jayanta in Sankirtana / Temple Activity Reports

Hare Krisna Gurudev: Pamho.

Gloria a Prabhupada y los vaisnavas reunidos.

Quiero informarle que el disco de Flamenco Hare Krishna que grabamos hace mas de veinte años lo hemos masterizado y puesto en las plataformas musicales de internet. He pensado que se puede aprovechar algo del trabajo que hicimos hace tiempo.

Hoy he descubierto que algunas personas ya han utilizado algunas canciones para exponer fotografias o las han utilizadop de otra forma. Asi que pongo los mantras para el placer de los vaisnavas y la gente en general que gusten de esas ragas.

En youtube se pueden oir gratis y en otras plataformas hay que estar suscrito o pagar algo. La música está disponible para la predica y, como están haciendo algunas personas, puede ser utilizada cuando sea conveniente para hacer video, power point, diapositivas o lo que sea que pueda contribuir a aumentar la gloria de Srila Prabhupada.

Este es el enlace para poder oirlo.

https://jayantadas.hearnow.com/

https://youtu.be/-Om7LiQE8Fg

Esperando disfrute cada vez mas de su rasa con Krishna se despide su inepto y algo viejo sirviente

Jayanta das

HpS - 😃

😃 😃

[Sada Harih = KDPC for this Fortnight] - Sankirtana

4 years, 6 months ago by Gadai in Sankirtana / Temple Activity Reports

Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada!!!

Hare Krsna Guru Maharaja, por favor reciba mis humildes reverencias.

Sigo acá en Huancayo, éste último mes y medio fue bastante agotador, sembramos acá en todo el terreno (verduras, papá, calabazas, etc).

HpS - Krsna y Radharani y todos los muchachos va a tener muy buen merriendas.

Vino mi padre acá a Huancayo, estuvimos ayudandole en sus tramites sobre unos terrenos, casi hubo un juicio, pero no hubo, se perdieron 2 terrenos y se recupero 1 (Mucho conflicto) todo esto ocurre por que mi familia dejo muchos años abandonados sus terrenos.

Bueno, por otro lado sigo con el Sadhana 4 am, sigo los principios regulativos, 16 rondas de Japa, Gayatris, lectura de los libros "Bhagavad-Gita" Cap.2 Texto 55. Voy a volver a leer el Nectar de la Devoción y el Caitanya Caritamrta.

ASA - Bien, bien, bien.... MY BIEN!!!

Estoy en comunicación con algunos devotos Sankirtaneros para organizar y ver la distribución de libros en Perú y comenzar un plan de Sankirtana.

Por este Virus hemos estado bloqueados, pero es por algo. El plan de Krsna siempre es bueno.

6 meses de Sankirtan viajero por Perú y otros lugares y los otros 6 meses de Sankirtan local en Huancayo como base. Prédica local teniendo como base la vida en el campo (siembra, viveros, biohuertos, ecología). Vida simple y pensamiento elevado.

También más adelante en un futuro tengo el plan de comprar una camioneta 4x4 para el Sankirtan viajero, es mi deseo, ojalá se cumpla.

Básicamente ese seria el plan que manejo. Espero funcione si Srila Prabhupada y Sri Nityananda y Sri Caitanya lo permiten.

Por otro lado nuestra salud esta bien, por el momento.

Bueno Guru Maharaja me despido, que Nrsimha lo proteja y cuide de su salud.

Hare Krsna.

Gadai Gauranga Dasa

HpS - Tan muchos anyos de viaje amplio, pero abusandolo, y Krsna sacando eso y enforzandonos vivir mas simple en un pueblo, mantener propio sanidad local? Va a ser Alcalde de su region? Introducir Gaura kripa en todos las escuelas Kinder - 12?

KDPC - Leading Kirtan on FMP

Hare Krishna Gurudeva 🙏, please accept my humble obeisances at your lotus feet!!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

Gurudeva, I hope you are very well at the time of receiving this letter.

HpS - Aaaaah! I know that you are NOT very well at receiving this answer. 😁 This body is a disease. We are like wounded soldiers trying to contribute with only 75% capacity (at best), but I think you must be an incarnation of Kunti devi and radiating spiritual potency.

I write to you by the request of some godbrothers. Some of them have expressed their desire to lead kirtan on "Full Morning Program" on line, and they have proposed to renew the group of leading singers.

HpS - Yes, even the 'Leading Singers' have also expressed that desire. Everyone who leads should please read: http://www.jayarama.us/archives/asa-mangala-arati-fmp.docx. I think even some of the current Leaders have not read it.

The group of devotees that currently are leading have been doing it for about 4 years, I think. (with some little variants). I thought it is a good idea...to make these changes so that more devotees have the opportunity to lead the kirtan on FMP - ASA.

Recently, we have also seen this good initiative from Candramukhi devi dasi : https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11606/

There are some suggestions...like we can make a call for the devotees who wants to participate to join a list, and this list can be renewed every three months.

What is your opinion about it, Gurudeva?? 🙏 Of course, we want to hear from you about how we should do it.

Thank you very much for your constant and merciful association!!

Trying to get your mercy: Mitravinda dd 🐕

HpS - I think that it is fine. We should not change, we should keep the same system and make it stronger. So, why not those who are currently leading just organize others to lead on their day as Candra-mukhi Devi Dasi did? It is nice.

Happy birthday. Hope good reflection about previous year(s). Next year(s). Being nice dancer for Krsna.

PUC Event - Correcting the Youtube video of the interview to Gaston Soublette

Hare Krishna Dear Guru Maharaj,

The video Gastón Soublette's video was a relevant point of the report, but I separate the link. Excuse me. I suprise myself how fool I am, every time.

HpS - Yes, I do the same thing. At least we cannot claim that we are getting newer and newer realizations in Krsna Consciousness (at how great of a fool we are).

Now is good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N27LAd906yM

https://youtu.be/N27LAd906yM

HpS/ASA - We pasted it and the video started. We will watch it later. Now we have to do some more mail. Trim the hedges and go to NgD!! Thank you.

Is a 15 min. interview extract to Gastón Soublette, a Claudia Lira's mentor and one of the 8 or 10 most famous and important intellectuals of Chile nowadays (93 years old and still alive! and with a clear mind)

The interview is in Spanish, however, it has subtitles, and the feature of automatic translation of youtube/google have improved a lot recently, particulary to this kind of videos with a good Spanish spoken.

Mr. Soublette was in the release of Claudia Lira's book and I broached him in the last summer (January-Februay), and when I told him about you and your efforts and that maybe you both can talk, he gave me his phone. He would like to know more about a spiritual guru, swami with a western background.

HpS - We should have an exchange of ideas by mail, first, no?

He lives slightly as a hermit, so for communication, he has just cable-phone, and no smartphone and internet either, so an encounter could be possible in your next physical visit. Or maybe we can try by phone after the event.

HpS - Can you send paper-mail to him?

Hare Krishna guru maharaj. Thank you for your kind words. Sometimes we feel that never will be good enough, but still we are little "porfiados", obstinate- and we continue trying to be better.

HpS - Thank you.... Thank Carlos, thank Arjuna, than Priya sakhi Devi Dasi, thankkk... I can name so many more in Chile, Santiago, even more important. It makes us start to cry. Such nice people!!.

Hope we have our own village soon.