Dear Maharaja,
PAMHO AGTSP
Today I finished my exams for the latest period and it’s about time I wrote to you.
HpS/ASA - Whenever you write to us it is mercy!
I’m finding computer science studies to be very helpful for explaining our philosophy and also for discussing the mind-body problem – Objects, Super-classes and subclasses, encapsulation, software, hardware, algorithms, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, cell phones, programmers etc. etc., - which makes sense because computing really has taken up the focus of the intelligent class for many years now and many popular philosophers use computing metaphors.
HpS - Yes. We find the same thing. They seem to introspect, see how their mind works and then externalize it. There is no "bootstrapping". A person always has to start the system.
Many realizations have bubbled up since you left our physical association here in Australia. Some very powerful and clear others embarrassing. Please forgive me for the many offences committed.
HpS - I think we committed more.
We are forever in debt for the valuable treasures you gave us. Really words cannot explain how fortunate I am so better I simple ask what can I do to serve you and Srila Prabhupada in the sankirtan mission of Lord Caitanya?
I am listening to many more of your lectures posted by Srinath Arunachalam Prabhu on soundcloud.
I’m working on my unique preaching style with this blog and getting some nice results. https://blissoftruth.wordpress.com.
One Gurukula Science teacher is asking for the BBC “Science… Fiction?” documentary you have been mentioning. We have tried looking for it online but we are not having success. Do you have a copy, a link or know where to find it.
HpS - !!! Maybe you can track down when AAAS has their annual meeting in San Francisco. It would have been about 1985. That was the year it won the AAAS award. Then I think you would have to contact somebody personally at the BBC. If it is possible it is a really goo movie. Maybe it was so good it got suppressed? Would be nice project for the Gurukula to see how life really works. Learning really works to try to find the film.
I believe you said, “we have free will equal to God”. Please correct me if I have recalled that wrong. I was thinking about this and realized something. One good argument against the concept of free will that I have come up with is “how can it be free will if one decision is clearly wrong?” Neophytes will say that material life is suffering and spiritual life is not suffering but that cannot be because it will destroy free will because clearly one choice is wrong. It’s like saying, “You can choose the chocolate but you will get shot.” Then I recalled you saying “If you think you have problems, they are nothing compared to Radharani’s problems” and it struck me. We give up material suffering, which is actually the suffering caused by forgetting Krishna and we replace it with suffering for Krishna! This way free will holds true.
I spoke to a senior devotee about this, Nrisimha Kavaca Prabhu, and we had a big disagreement until we replaced “suffering for Krishna” with “spiritual anxiety”. Once we agreed on that explanation we could both be peaceful. Spiritual anxiety leads to the highest bliss. So free will is the choice between material suffering caused by artificially holding oneself in the center of all things and spiritual anxiety and bliss comes from holding Krishna in the center. What do you think Maharaja? Is my understanding solid or am I am big speculator?
ASA - Can't follow your argument in exact detail. Apes, Pigs and Scientists et al here, but our thought is that it is a big topic. Ultimately Free Will of the Jiva is the Ananda factor in s(he)it's sat-cit-ANANDA nature. We have Free Will to relate to Krsna as a friend or a parent. We have Free Will to relate to Him through His "bahiranga-shakti", and even when in the BS we have Free Will in the mode of Goodness to chose between stealing or not stealing etc. These moral choice's are a kind of choice of Krsna, the King, because they are the King's laws. Then He offers us the choice of Spiritual Reactions, not just "material" reactions eg. don't steal get good reaction.
Material world is Zero. No Krsna, no Ananda, so there is relative pleasure. For every nice thing there must be a contrasting good thing, dualities, but no absolute happines nor distress.
O.K? Does that address your ideas?
One interesting thing that came up in the conversation with Nrsimha Kavaca Prabhu is that he also disagreed that our free will is equal to God’s. He said “No, because Krishna can do what He wants and He doesn’t get a reaction for it.” I replied saying that I think free will is a logical choice like and on-off or a left-right switch, material or spiritual. It sounded to me like what he was saying is that Krishna is not bounded by Karma therefore He doesn’t suffer the consequences of His actions like we do. I’m not sure. Do you have any comments maharaja? Can you please explain some more about what is Krishna’s free will and how does He exercise it?
HpS - Just what we said above to start with. Is big topic. I would say our Free Will is like Krsna's because He gives it to us. It is not like His in some ways, but in the fact that it is Free is His gift and He let's us use it. It is like a father giving his son $100 and saying now use it as you wish.
On the topic of free will and preaching I am currently working on an article to challenge arguments put forward by modern science and Buddhism that there is no self and no free will. They claim that we don’t have free will and there is no self because our thoughts and activities go on automatically, deterministically, by chemical algorithms, and they use scientific studies for example this one where “brain scans can reveal your decision 7 seconds before you “decide”. Sadaputa Prabhu speaks bout these experiments also.
http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decide
They also use experiences in Buddhist and Vipasana meditation and mindfulness to support their claims. A classic example is neuroscientists and popular atheist Sam Harris. I have challenged him personally on social media but he was smart not to validate my arguments by responding.
I will be presenting that free will is further back in the system, at the self in the heart, not in the head, and it is only used to accept the material perspective or spiritual perspective and not in our daily thoughts and activities (in our conditioned state), which are actually carried out by the three modes of material nature (BG 3.27)
HpS - Yeah! BG 3.27 is nice verse to work from. Dr. Libbet who was one of the originators of these experiments used to visit the BI in San Francisco. I heard a big professor saying that the results weren't quite as clear as they were presented. There were a lot of techincal things they had to juggle to get the results, but yes, BG 3.27, the atma not the manas or buddhi.
Atheistic meditators say that when they mediate and move behind their thoughts they have a “not-self experience”, where consciousness loses contents. They can see [THEY CAN SEE?] that their thoughts and actions are just going on atomatically and therefore they argue there is no self and no free will [THEY SEE THIS? <img alt="wink" height="23" src="http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/sites/all/libraries/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/wink_smile.png" title="wink" width="23" />]. They go on to boast how liberating it is to accept “empty and meaningless”[Haw! Haw! They accept this? Who is this 'They'?], that it is the greatest need in the world today to realize this and they can’t help but move into promoting their voidism and mayavadi theology. I am challenging this and arguing that it is impossible for a not-self to have any experience at all. [Right on, Man!] If there really was no self there would be no experience to recall. Something had the experience. So really what they have experienced is a not-mind or not-body experience. They need to spend sometime redefining the self. They claim the self is in the mind and we are not our minds so then clearly we are something else. [My Self is in my stomach.]
When we meet with this self we also meet with our free will. That’s where we can choose the material perspective and get the false ego or the spiritual perspective. When we choose the spiritual perspective, when we have some genuine desire to know Krishna, He gives us all kinds of intelligence to see things clearly. He washes the removes the false. Motivation and attitude precedes perception and perspective. [Yes. Why do you do science]. I believe I have learnt this from you, from your presentation of Krishna consciousness. Please feel free to correct me or add some things. Is my understanding correct or do I need to work on it?
Thank you very much Maharaja. I am really missing your association and I hope you can give me some service to keep me connected.
Hare Krishna!
Your aspiring servants
Dhruvananda, Dhanesvari, Suryani and Sarasvati
HpS - Jaya! Seems nice. We hope to get to your Blog when we have non-metered internet connection. Prabhupadas advice was 1. Nice Reception, 2. Nice Prasada, 3. Nice logical discussions. Unless they are at least willing to listen honestly eg. Lord Caitanya and Sarva-bhauma and Prakasananda, then there cannot be a useful debate. If they become friends then the message can get across.
Go ahead!
