Complaints About Disciple

2 years ago by milan in Personal Sadhana Reports

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Hare Krishna, Maharaj ji. I know you are reading my letters. I just wanted to convey to you this message. I wanted to speak to you and got no other option. I let you know regarding the actions of your disciple, XXX, aged XX, from xxx.


You can speak to xxx regarding me.


I have all evidences supporting myself.


I am not lying Maharaj ji.


I just wanted to speak to you.


If you ever wish to speak to me, I have provided my mail id. Hare krishna r... @gmail.com


Bhakta Milan Ray


HpS / ASA - Thank Milan. Our Sannyasa Guru, H. H. B. S. Damodara Swami advised that in forums like this we can talk about general principles, but should now make strong criticisms of specific people. It is like what we would say during the moments together after the Sunday Feast lecture, when we gather around the Vyasa-asana with maybe 12-other devotees to discuss the general topics of the lecture in more detail with the speaker.

Prabhupada called such things, "Open Secrets".


We have received WhatsApp comments on your previous post from our disciple in question and two more devotees.

Of course, as Diksa guru, it is our responsibility to properly investigate criticism that disciples are not following initiation vows.

So it you want to discuss that among a proper group of Grhastha devotees and ourselves then we can see if someone is available.

Of course, there is immediately a problem because it is a bi-lingual situation, but seems Krsna will help us.

If yes, then please send us the email address that you want to use and we will not share it.

Thank you.

Hari Bolo!

News About A Disciple

HpS - AgtSP.

Paoho.

Thank you, AmD, and Mataji KDD for the WhatsApp background to this report which our disciple MDD asked not to be published.


We read it.

Very glad to receive it and don't know too much what to say.

  • He said.
  • She said.
  • They said.

🐵 ???


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..... We will send few words to your WhatsApp address.

Basic principle is that these disputes involving ladies and gentlemen should be discussed mostly with help from Grhasthas that they trust.

Can go to Sita Rama Laksmana Hanuman.

All we can give as Sannyasi is that perspective.

General principles.

Public discussion of stuff.


As Diksa guru: Chant 16-enthusiastic rounds daily and follow the four principles strictly.


Please, give me your blessings, Gurudeva 🙏🏻

Hare Krishna, Gurudeva 🙏🏻

Please, accept my humble obeisances!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!


I want to ask for your blessings. In a few days I will travel to India for three months. It is the first time I go there.


HpS - AgtSP! Wonderful, yet hope that you go directly to our ISKCON centers in India, Bharata!


My plan is to visit Sridham Mayapur and Sri Vrndavana Dhama, visiting temples, taking the association of devotees there, travel the sacred pilgrimage places, and also participate in a retreat and some courses offered by the "Institute for Spiritual Culture" directed by Devaki mataji in Mayapur, as "Holy Name Retreat" and seminars on "Mentorship in Krsna Conciousness".

I have been listening to Devaki mataji's classes in the last year and I am very inspired by her association.


HpS - She is from Brazil??


Gurudeva, I would like that in this journey I become more mature as a person and as a devotee, and learn new things about spiritual life. May this journey gives me purification and learning.


Thank you so much for your mercy 🙏🏻


HARE KRISHNA!!!


Your aspiring servant:

Mitravinda devi dasi.


HpS - Thank you!

Hope you get this before you leave.

Traveling alone???

Expect Krsna to send many innocent people to hear about Krsna while you are in route.

Suffered ill treatment from one of the disciples of Maharaj ji (currently working at Iskcon Rio de Janeiro)

2 years ago by milan in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krishna, dear ISKCON committee. I have suffered greatly due to the ill treatment from one of your fellow Pujari/devotee. I have suffered severely, both mentally and emotionally. This is all because of that one devotee. She is working as a Pujari in Iskcon Rio de Janeiro.


My name is Milan. I have been an ISKCON devotee for 2 years, although I am not initiated. I diligently follow all four principles. I hail from Puri, Odisha, the sacred land of shree Jagannath. I am a disciple of Tukaram Prabhu from ISKCON Kolkata. I am 26 years old.


I was approached by a devotee from the temple. She is a divorced woman, 36 years old, and a disciple of H.H. Hanumant Preksha Swami Maharaj. She is originally from Peru.


I am a virgin man, and my family intended to arrange my marriage this year. She promised to marry me, and because of that, I declined other marriage proposals. We were planning to get married in February 2024. I explained everything to my parents, and they made all the necessary preparations for our marriage in advance. To introduce her to my family, I invited her to visit India. She agreed and recently arrived in India.


However, after arriving here, she went off with some other devotee and subsequently blocked me on all platforms. I was strictly adhering to the four principles and preparing for initiation this year. Regrettably, this woman coerced me into engaging in sexual activities with her (multiple times). I succumbed to her pressure and made a grave mistake. My preparation for being initiated devotee got hampered. I trusted her because she was affiliated with ISKCON, and I believed she would never deceive me. Unfortunately, she lied and betrayed me, using both me and another man named Pitambar Keshava Das from Delhi for her own sexual gratification. She even engaged in the consumption of alcohol, despite being a second-initiated devotee.


India is a land of culture, customs, and sacrifices, and it is a place where promises are highly valued. I gave her my word for marriage and, as a result, I rejected other marriage proposals from women. She also gave me her word of marriage. However, now she has rejected the idea of marrying me and has blocked me. I am at a loss for how to explain this to my parents. I made significant compromises within my family, as it was quite challenging to convince them to accept a divorced woman. I went against their wishes and managed to make them understand and agree to accept this female devotee. Now, I find myself in a dilemma, not knowing what to tell them. The burden of guilt weighs heavily on me.


I wish to convey this message to Maharaj Ji and all the senior members of the community so that right actions can be taken against this fake devotee. If left unchecked, she may continue to exploit more male devotees for her own satisfaction. Also for that devotee, people who faced similar complications like me may start blaming every other female devotee from Peru which can definitely become a matter of shame for our community.


HpS / ASA - AgtSP. Paoho. Esteemed Milan. Thank you for the news.

From Srila Prabhupada's presentation of Veda and our own personal experience such problems as you describe can be very painful, yet constant chanting of the Holy Names under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada certainly gives us good intelligence how to go ahead for everyone's benefit.


Krsna did not give Arjuna a secret weapon.

He gave him good intelligence.

Then he was able to act very expertly for everyone's benefit.


Personally I do not know of any of our disciples in ISKCON Rio de Janeiro.

The very, very, very clear contract that we make on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON at the time of Initiation is that the candidate must chant 16-enthusiastic rounds daily and follow the 4-principles strictly.

You know, this, no?


Then, as you describe the woman, she is not our initiated disciple.


If she wants to apologize and take us as Pathpradarsika Guru, then we can try to accept her as a candidate for Diksa and try to serve her as a Siksa guru and try to help her to come back to the path.


Is O.K.?

Hanumatpresaka Swami




SEGUIMOS ESFORZANDONOS

HARE KRISHNA!!

Querido Guru Maharah

Por favor acepte mis más humildes referencias

Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada

Todas las glorias a Usted


Estos días tuve la misericordia de sus señorías en poder participar en el vestido de flores con mucho entusiasmo para Jamastami, logre asistir a Mangala-arti, Srimati Radharani nos brindó un poco de su misericordia para llevar a cabo el servicio.

Seguimos cantando 16 entusiastas rondas diarias, en ocasiones nos extendemos otro poco. Seguimos leyendo y llevamos un pequeño programa matutino en casa. Participamos en el templo con servicio de guirnaldas además de servir ( o intentamos ) en la boutique Radha Krishna del templo.

Gracias a krishna una pierna rota no ha sido impedimento para ofrecer reverencias y seguir cumpliendo con los servicios.


A principios de este año me encontré la necesidad de salir de casa de mis padres por lo que renté en casa de una señora mayor, lo que me da impresión de que se pueda interpretar como si yo llegara a romper algún principio, esto nunca sucedió hemos tenido una convicción firme en el proceso provocando llevar a lo largo de mi corta vida mis 16 principios muy estrictamente. Me sentí en la necesidad de comentarlo espero no esté de más.

Actualmente vivo con mi padre Hari Bhakti Das, mi abuela, mi tío abuelo y mis hermanos. Temporalmente mi mamá se encuentra prestando servicio en el yatra de Nueva Vrindavan en Virginia Estados Unidos de América.

Nos disculpamos por esta carta tan extensa.

Ofrezco mis más humildes sugerencias a sus pies de loto.

Esperando algún día ser su sirviente, Manjari


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HARE KRISHNA!!


Dear Guru Maharaja

Please accept my most humble references

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

All glories to you


These days I had the mercy of your Lordships to be able to participate in the flower dress with great enthusiasm for Jamastami, I managed to attend Mangala-arti, Srimati Radharani gave us a little of his mercy to carry out the service.


We continue singing 16 enthusiastic rounds a day, sometimes we extend a little further. We continue reading and have a little morning show at home. We participated in the temple garland service as well as serving (or attempted to) at the temple's Radha Krishna boutique.


Thanks to Krishna, a broken leg has not been an impediment to offering obeisances and continuing to perform services.


At the beginning of this year I found myself needing to leave my parents' house so I rented at an older woman's house, which gives me the impression that it could be interpreted as if I were breaking some principle, this has never happened, we have I had a firm conviction in the process causing me to carry my 16 principles very strictly throughout my short life. I felt the need to comment on it, I hope it doesn't hurt.


I currently live with my father Hari Bhakti Das, my grandmother, my great-uncle and my brothers. Temporarily my mother is serving in the New Vrindavan yatra in Virginia, United States of America.


We apologize for this long letter.


I offer my most humble suggestions to her lotus feet.


Hoping to one day be her Manjari's servant


HpS - It is not a long letter. It is very nice. You just have to communicate this all to The Temple President 🦁

He has always impressed us as a very nice person.

Seems Asta sakhi Devi Dasi can also help.