CC Madhya 11.57

bāhya-jñāna nāhi, se-kāle kṛṣṇa-nāma śuni,

āliṅgana karibena tomāya ‘vaiṣṇava’ ‘jāni’

bāhya-jñāna nāhi — without external consciousness; se-kāle — at that time; kṛṣṇa-nāma śuni’ — by hearing the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa; āliṅgana karibena — He will embrace; tomāya — you; vaiṣṇava jāni’ — taking you to be a Vaiṣṇava.

“Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu will be in a mood of ecstatic love, without external consciousness. At that time, as you recite those chapters from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, He will embrace you, knowing you to be a pure Vaiṣṇava.

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Dear Guru Maharaja,

In Bengali wordings says kṛṣṇa-nāma śuni. Synonym says by 'hearing the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa'. Translations says 'recite those chapters from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam!'

I appreciate how SP is giving purport(s) already in the translations and also how, on spiritual plane, some activities looking different from outside are same from inside (exoteric and esoteric?). There is no mention of SB in the verse, even though, there is mention about it before in context of a whole situation.

Another phrase from the verse āhya-jñāna nāhi — without external consciousness. In translation SP adds in a mood of ecstatic love.

From these situations, I remember Bhaktivonoda Thakura who wrote something like: we should understand the spirit of sastra and not (just) words.

Could you comment on this?

HpS - AgtSP. Thanks from everyone here for such nice questions. It is big topic. We hope we can add a little to your investigation in trying to know Srila Prabhupada, his words.

It is very clear to all scholars, external or internal to ISKCON, that Srila Prabhupada's Translations differ from what is in the WFW. Srinivasa Das brought this up in a class in Boise and then Radhika-ramana Das, our Oxford Sanskritist, commented with enthusiasm that Srila Prabhupada tends to translate with the commentaries of Sridhara Swami and write the Purports with the commentary of Jiva Goswami.

So, Translations may be in context of the surrounding verses, maybe they include the comments of our Acharya's like Visvannatha, Bh. Vinode Th, Bh. Siddhanta Maharaja.

Maybe, maybe, maybe Srila Prabhupada's personal ecstatic visions.

That's what I know and how I go ahead with my study of our ISKCON Acharya. We listened to the dictation tapes for the KRSNA book and it was enlivening to see the editing to the first big KRSNA book. Now there are later changes.

Radhika-ramana Das has been on the like 10-man committee that is going through looking at each book and making final edits that then should be the official ISKCON version.

As he describes it, it is going too slow, yet expects good results.

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Changing the subject - You tweeted on 8th Nov: 1st class, 2nd class, 3rd class dust? May I ask what you mean by that, in context of the pastime and / or generally? What comes to my mind is that different kinds (energy) of mercy is received from and by different devotees. But cannot connect that to the specific pastime.

HpS - Yes, that is what we were thinking. We can take the dust, offer our respects, listen submissively to devotees in terms of their advancement.

https://vedabase.io/en/library/noi/3/#bb5869

Then NoI-5 gives how much each different level is authorized. Eg. at annual Rathayatra for our Temple we se Bhakta Beauford who we know is a very nice guy. Comes to temple, chants some rounds on his beads, but not 16, has some attachment to marijuana etc.

He asks, "Hey, Nama, what's this I hear about Krsna Das (temple president) getting to loose with the ladies".

Nama Swami answers: "There are problems everywhere and devotees are analyzing the situation in a pretty sober way. Hope there is some publich resolution about things for everyone's well being soon that you and I can hear".

If it is Madhyama Adhikari asking then we can discuss in more intimate detail judging their position.

If it is Srila Prabhupada asking then we tell him whatever we know without reservation.

You can bottle it and sell it: 1st, 2nd and 3rd class dust form the feet of Vaisnavas?

Thank you!

Your servant Namacarya Das

HpS - May all your cottages be rented!!! 🙂 More mercy as you can,

Hare Krishna Maharaja,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Here is a picture of my favorite bead bag. It's got Radha Kalachandji on it!!

Jaya Radha Kalachandji!!

Plus the wrist pouches look cool!

HpS - AgtSP. We were asking for Photos of My Favorite Bead! 🙂

https://vedabase.io/en/library/kb/35/#bb91411

It may show up on V'base.com on our screen as the previous paragraph.

HpS/ASA - AgtSP.

The post arrived empty?

🙂

Hare Krsna Querido Guru Maharaja, Por favor acepte mis humildes reverencias

Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada que nos muestra el camino para regresar a casa y Todas las Glorias a usted que nos guía en esa senda. 🌻

Orando diariamente para que su energía sea buena y favorable a su sankirtan. Le agradezco mucho por el FMS en línea, es un gran impulso para despertar 😊 Frecuentemente las demandas del cuerpo son muy fuertes, pero su ejemplo y nuestro deseo para participar del FMS en línea, nos ayudan a regularnos paulatinamente. 

Gurudeva, hoy, durante FMS usted dijo: "we finished all four DTC[UT] movies last night. now is there reason to hang on to this body and mind any more?" 😰

Su pregunta me dejó congelada, medite un poco e intente buscar distintos motivos que presentar…

Los primeros motivos que acudieron a mi corazón, respondían a nuestras propias necesidades: Nuestra inmensa necesidad de su instrucción y guía; tantas cosas que nos falta por saber, entender y vivir; pensé incluso en algunas correcciones que pudieran ser necesarias a sus discípulos mayores que abusan de menores, menores que menoscaban la posición de mayores, riñas interminables entre algunos de sus discípulos etc… Pronto me di cuenta que usted, ya nos ha otorgado esas instrucciones, lo ha hecho una y otra vez de múltiples maneras. Pero yo, estudiante tonta, sigo actuando neciamente, abusando de su misericordia, desperdiciando los instantes valiosos en vuestra presencia, me avergüenza decirlo, pero así es. (por favor perdóneme)🙏

Luego Usted dijo: “Podemos dejar NIOS Campus, Nueva Asokavan a ustedes ¿no?”

Entonces recordé las palabras que usted expreso durante su participación en la sede del parlamento de México, y pude ver -un poco- de la confianza que usted tiene en sus discípulos para que continúen el trabajo... Gurudeva, usted sigue los pasos de su divino maestro -nuestro poderoso Acarya- y en consecuencia sus dignos discípulos, se esfuerzan por seguirle según su propia posición. Pensé en muchos buenos discípulos que le siguen, más allá de cualquier deseo de poder, prestigio o reconocimiento y concluí que personalmente tengo mucho trabajo por hacer,🤔

¿Cuándo podré ser digna estudiante de tan exaltado maestro?

Por favor Gurudeva, perdone a su tonta estudiante. Nos esforzamos sinceramente por ser discípulos dignos, pero nuestra cubierta es muy densa y fallamos una y otra vez. Confiamos en que, por su misericordia sin causa (que nos conecta a Srila Prabhupada) algún día podremos ser miembros útiles en su trascendental ejército.

Siempre tenemos el deseo y la necesidad de su Vapu, siempre hay cosas por aprender y por ofrecer… por la misericordia sin causa de Srila Prabhupada, usted nos ha salvado en tantas ocasiones que nuestra bendita deuda con usted es impagable, así que siempre tenemos mucho que agradecerle. Humildemente le rogamos, ¡Por favor otórguenos su Vapu tanto como sea posible!

bhavad-vidhā bhāgavatās    tīrtha-bhūtāḥ svayaṁ vibho

tīrthī-kurvanti tīrthāni        svāntaḥ-sthena gadābhṛtā

(SB 1.13.10)



Siempre a sus órdenes

Su aspirante a discípula

Karuna-Sakti Devi Dasi 

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Hare Krsna, Dear Guru Maharaja, Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada who shows us the way to return home and All Glories to you who guides us on that path. 🌻

Praying daily that your energy is good and favorable to your sankirtan. I thank you very much for the online FMS, it is a great impulse to wake up 😊 Often the body's demands are very strong, but your example and our desire to participate in the online FMS help us gradually regulate ourselves.

HpS/ASA - Without, agtSP, the association of all the devotees there we doubt how we would be able to get up so regularly ourselves!

Achinta Bheda abheda: We must do our our unique service in the association of devotees, no?

Gurudeva, today, during FMS you said: "we finished all four DTC[UT] movies last night. now is there reason to hang on to this body and mind any more?" 😰

Your question left me frozen, I thought a little and tried to find different reasons to present...

The first reasons that came to my heart responded to our own needs: Our immense need for your instruction and guidance; so many things that we need to know, understand and live; I even thought about some corrections that might be necessary for your older disciples who abuse minors, minors who undermine the position of elders, endless fights between some of your disciples, etc... I soon realized that you have already given us those instructions, which It has been done over and over again in multiple ways. But I, foolish student, continue to act foolishly, abusing your mercy, wasting valuable moments in your presence, I am ashamed to say it, but that is how it is. (please forgive me)🙏

HpS - I can stand before our Vyasa-asana picture of Srila Prabhupada right now and repeat every word you said, to him as my own!

Then You said: “We can leave NIOS Campus, New Asokavan to you right?”

Then I remembered the words that you expressed during your participation in the headquarters of the parliament of Mexico, and I could see - a little - of the trust that you have in your disciples to continue the work... Gurudeva, you follow in the footsteps of your divine master - our powerful Acarya - and consequently his worthy disciples, strive to follow him according to his own position. I thought about many good disciples who follow him, beyond any desire for power, prestige or recognition and I concluded that I personally have a lot of work to do,🤔

When can I be a worthy student of such an exalted teacher?

Please Gurudeva, forgive your foolish student. We sincerely strive to be worthy disciples, but our covering is very thick and we fail again and again. We trust that by his causeless mercy (which connects us to Srila Prabhupada) we can one day be useful members of his transcendental army.

We always have the desire and need for your Vapu, there are always things to learn and to offer... by the causeless mercy of Srila Prabhupada, you have saved us on so many occasions that our blessed debt to you is unpayable, so we always have plenty to thank you. We humbly request, Please grant us your Vapu as much as possible!

bhavad-vidhā bhāgavatās tīrtha-bhūtāḥ svayaṁ vibho

 tīrthī-kurvanti tīrthāni svāntaḥ-sthena gadābhṛtā

(SB 1.13.10)

Always at your service

His would-be disciple

Karuna-Sakti Devi Dasi

HpS/ASA - Hmmmm! I don't think you or I have too much choice in the matter, no? You almost died from your bodies weakness in the last few years, no?

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Of course, we all like to have diseases, threaten to die, so we can get attention, affection.

Just like little children.

Yet, with the chest pains and headaches of late we really see that we can go at any moment.

Hare Krsna!

Same for you?

Others?

Srila Prabhupada says that he never felt separation from B. S. S Prabhupada as long as he was sincerely engaged in his service.

Of course our problems of friendships and separation in ISKCON are really very small. The real problem is that some one has come from Mathura??? His name is Akrura... ??? What does he want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y8LeBMO8w&t=75s

Could not find this with English subtitles. Is even worse with the subtitles!

We think we have problems with separation in this world, but it is certain that whatever problems we have, the problems that the Braja basis have are so much worse!

Let us help them.

Then we are all together.

Hare Krishna Gurudev!

Gloria a Srila Prabhupada!

Gloria a Sri Sri Nitay Gourasundar!!

Cómo está usted Gurudeva?

Espero que se encuentre muy bien. Quería agradecerle una vez mas su perspectiva en relación a mi comentario en el taller de hoy sobre "Los problemas en los templos."

Vale aclarar que no tengo dudas que el proceso de Bhakti Yoga que Srila Prabhupada nos ofrece es nuestra entrada al Mundo Espiritual, entonces después de saber directa e indirectamente que tanto en los templos como en el entorno a los devotos existe abuso psicológico, físico etc. hemos consultado con profesionales de la salud mental (psicólogos que no son demonios) (hahaha!) que realmente existen técnicas para identificar a los psicópatas narcisitas integrados en la sociedad, por supuesto estas personas con trastornos de la personalidad están en toda la sociedad y se dedican a destruir mentalmente a sus víctimas y como le decía hoy, Iskcon, como institución, no está exenta de la presencia de estas personalidades. Entonces, la información que comparten estos profesionales de la salud mental, en forma muy seria, es la manera de que estas personas no se instalen en nuestras vidas (a través de mentiras, engaños, técnicas de manipulación de cualquier tipo, etc) y nos consuman nuestra valiosa energía. El doctor Iñaki Piñuel, la doctora Belén Tarnowski por ejemplo y muchos otros profesionales están haciendo un inmemso trabajo para que este conocimiento llegue a mas gente que es estafada emocionalmente, muchas de estas personas incluso llegan al punto de quitarse la vida debido a la presión mental que generan los PN (psicópatas narcisitas) Entonces, estos psicólogos están presentando simplemente las técnicas para identificar a estas personalidades y no permitirles que juegen con nuestra mente y nuestras emociones. Por supuesto tenemos un karma "que pagar", aún no llegamos a la perfección de la práctica de bhakti yoga en esta vida, pero en mi opinión, si este conocimiento llega a mi vida y lo encuentro lógico y acertado, por que no tomarlo y compartirlo? Es asombroso como estos psicólogos describen perfectamente el accionar de estas personas que se dedican a hacer bullying, mobbing en los entornos sociales, hogares, trabajos, instituciones de todo tipo. Ha sido muy triste ver tantas injusticias en distintos templos Gurudev, escuchar a devotos hablar de como se han abusado psicologicamente y hasta físicamente de ellos y no poder denunciar por miedo y cuando se hizo denuncia, se ha ignorado el hecho en cuestión. No veo absolutamente nada de malo en compartir este conocimiento Gurudeva, espero no cometer ofensa con esto, de hecho le permite a las personas tener relaciones sanas y vidas mas conscientes para continuar con nuestra práctica espiritual (en nuestro caso) que tanto nos cuesta mantener en standar. Disculpe lo extenso de la carta, gracias por escucharme y seguiré conectandome siempre que pueda al FMP. Que El Señor Krishna lo cuide de cerca. Por favor disculpe cualquier ofensa.

Jahnava Devi dasi.

Hare Krishna. 🙏🏻🦁🌺

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AgtSP!! I think we may have answered this Blog Post before, but don't see it.

Hare Krishna Gurudev!

Glory to Srila Prabhupada!

Glory to Sri Sri Nitay Gourasundar!!

How are you Gurudeva?

HpS - O.K. AgtSP!!! Paoho.

I hope he is feeling very well. I wanted to thank him once again for his perspective regarding my comment in today's workshop on "Problems in Temples."

It is worth clarifying that I have no doubt that the Bhakti Yoga process that Srila Prabhupada offers us is our entrance to the Spiritual World, so after knowing directly and indirectly that both in the temples and in the environment of the devotees there is psychological, physical abuse, etc. We have consulted with mental health professionals (psychologists who are not demons) (hahaha!) that there really are techniques to identify narcissistic psychopaths integrated into society, of course these people with personality disorders are throughout society and are They dedicate themselves to mentally destroying their victims and as I said today, Iskcon, as an institution, is not exempt from the presence of these personalities.

So, the information that these mental health professionals share, in a very serious way, is the way that these people do not install themselves in our lives (through lies, deception, manipulation techniques of any kind, etc.) and consume our valuable energy.

Dr. Iñaki Piñuel, Dr. Belén Tarnowski for example and many other professionals are doing immense work so that this knowledge reaches more people who are emotionally scammed, many of these people even go to the point of taking their own lives due to mental pressure that generate PN (narcissistic psychopaths).

So, these psychologists are simply presenting the techniques to identify these personalities and not allow them to play with our mind and our emotions.

Of course we have karma "to pay", we have not yet reached the perfection of the practice of bhakti yoga in this life, but in my opinion, if this knowledge comes into my life and I find it logical and correct, why not take it and share it?

It is amazing how these psychologists perfectly describe the actions of these people who engage in bullying and mobbing in social environments, homes, jobs, institutions of all kinds. It has been very sad to see so many injustices in different Gurudev temples, to hear devotees talk about how they have been psychologically and even physically abused and not being able to report out of fear and when a report was made, the fact in question has been ignored.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with sharing this knowledge Gurudeva, I hope I do not offend with this, in fact it allows people to have healthy relationships and more conscious lives to continue with our spiritual practice (in our case) that we find so difficult to maintain standard.

Sorry for the length of the letter, thank you for listening to me and I will continue connecting to the FMP whenever I can.

May Lord Krishna watch over you closely.

Please excuse any offense.

Jahnava Devi Dasi.

Hare Krishna. 🙏🏻🦁🌺

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HpS/ASA - We, agtSP, sympathize, agree, with your thoughts profoundly.

Of course, we amazingly got a first place Bachelor's diploma from the University of California in 1970, and nothing but continued development of that knowledge and perspective has been our participation in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON.

To our mind, education in ISKCON in psychology, psycho-pathology, is needed from cooks, to GBC managers.

Even in our Yoga we go from the senses, to the sense objects, to the mind, to the intellect, to the soul. External related knowledge of psychology and sociology can be very useful.

Mental disease is like physical disease. ISKCON communities, official temples, have to know and teach their members how to deal with mental disease just as they teach them to deal with hepatitis.

There needs to be education and facility for psycho-pathology.

We are reading C. G. Jung now but have read so many other psychologists and cultural anthropologists. Srila Prabhupada's recommendation is to sharpen our intelligence on SB and BG and then explain the information and realizations of scientific community (eg. Psychology) in even a better way than they have. Then they will ask, "Where do you get this wonderful perspective?" and we can connect their work to our friends and institutions.

So, much more to discuss!

For example, DSM-R-5.

Yet Srila Prabhupada gave a "shortcut" method of determining who is a good psychologist:

How many times does S(he)it mention the name of God?

One Mexican lady in Berkeley (San Francisco) worked for the city. Several devotees went to her. We even recommend her to some.

She was very nice Catholic lady and understood Japa and Rosary, prayer, deities, very well, and used our Sadhana as regular part of her technique to help the devotees.

I personally saw how she helped one friend, Krta-karma Das, Cuban, who had subconscious traumatic childhood abuse complex that was leading to fall downs every two or three years.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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Hare Krsna, AGTSP

please accept my humble obeisances.

Narottama reporting from the principal base.

And yes, Krsna is our

•Friend

•counselor

•general

•And more or not?

HpS - To we demons He is death personified!

It's a really good idea what you propose and my daily schedule is:

wake op to 5 am then bath dressing and go to mangal arati.

Then canting one round (most of it aprox 13 every morning) then guru vandhana.

Then take the breakfast and chant the few that left, around the rest of the day.

Then study whith devaki or mitravinda (10 am to 1 pm) an then come the lunch after that we have an hour to rest an the we have work in the fields (mostly just put some water in some plants, others times the work is harder but i like it) then we take a bath and go to study (4:30 to 6 pm) an the eat for last time.

And then we rest until the next day.

HpS - Wow. AgtSP. When I hear this schedule I think of the poor black people in Africa, who have to sneak to the well to get water each day and try to avoid being raped by enemy soldiers. We are so fortunate.

Is a very good one, I hope to keep many things as they are for the rest of my life, what do you think about this?

HpS - Of course, it is great, yet don't forget that we are trying 'kirtaniya sada harih', chanting Mantra, songs, discussing Krsna with as many people as we can.

Yoga is hot Yoga until you give it away!

You will advance.

You will become great Saint like Visnupriya, Lord Caitanya, by the mercy of Lord Nityananda and the previous Acharya.