little urgent boil the milk

11 years, 6 months ago by Namacarya das in Hot Topics

Hare Krsna dear Guru Maharaja.
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

By some recent (and not se recent) circumstances happening in Pula Yatra, I am thinking about this instruction by Srila Prabhupada:
"Now we have got so many students and so many temples but I am fearful that if we expand too much in this way that we shall become weakened and gradually the whole thing will become lost. Just like milk. We may thin it more and more with water for cheating the customer, but in the end it will cease to be any longer milk. Better to boil the milk now very vigorously and make it thick and sweet, that is the best process. So let us concentrate on training our devotees very thoroughly in the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness from our books, from tapes, by discussing always, and in so many ways instruct them in the right propositions."  (Srila Prabhupada's letter June 22, 1972)

I wonder, when is proper time to "Boil the milk"? Should we stop trying to preach (doing public programs, prison programs and similar activities) and find out how to at least try to solve our inner problematics.
When I say "stop the preaching", I mean not in a rude way. Of course, we can try and will give Krsna to others, but for time being, concentrate in which way the yatra should function, and concentrate to develop programs (and do them) for training our devotees.

The idea behind the scene is that we, as devotees, associate seldom, and when together, try to fix the house for future temple, or discuss different preaching activities. That seems nice, but actually, there are misunderstandings, arguing on different points that we do not address, specially not in an organized and mature way. Also, what happens is that  new people come and after some time leave. There are many causes why they leave, but among them is the not-nice situation/relationship between devotees.

Guru Maharaja, I hope I succeed to convey my message. Surely, if needed, I will give more details.

Thank you!

Your servant Namacarya das
 

HpS -  AGTSP   paoho.  This is very nice topic.  I think a  simple answer is that Srila Prabhupada set a standard of full morning and evening program for internal, milk boiling, and then we can go out with confidence.  Do you find this?  The lack of internal adjustment follows when there is no basic full moringnig and evening program (of course more basic 16 rounds and 4 principles with devotion).

ISKCON Lady Gurus

11 years, 6 months ago by hps in Hot Topics

 

FROM: HpSwami, ASA.

In response to a letter about ladies becoming Diksa gurus in ISKCON from Basu Gosh Das in India we wrote the following.

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AGTSP. Pamho

I seem to think like you. We feel very happy to hear ISKCON news from you. Whatever we are writing here is not at all confidential and our names can be used.

As far as Matajis becoming Diksa gurus we intuitively feel that it is a very bad move. Then there is the citation from SB 4.12.32. You know it, no?

 

"...Sunīti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Mahārāja's dīkṣā-guru. ..."

 

Of course, the whole Purport is a mine of information on Guru-tattva and the topic under discussion.

 

To me it seems that the citations, "all my disciples should become Guru" can apply to patha-pradarshika, diksa, or siksa guru. I know a very nice alcoholic devotee who always has some problem with alcohol but has sent many, many, many people to the temples. He has followed Prabhupada's order and become Guru as Prabhupada suggested, but because of his circumstance (NoI 6) he can't become a formal ISKCON Diksa Guru.

 

Our suggestion is that we give emphasis to these Bhaktivedanta titles and then ladies can be known as highest level Siksa gurus, qualified to take siksa disciples and then a gentleman devotee, even less advanced than they, can do this formal service of Diksa.

 

Ultimately it is better to relate to devotees individually and put these formalities secondary, but not without significance, no?

PabloParikrama. Ayuda.

11 years, 7 months ago by PABLOPARIKRAMA in Hot Topics, Other
Todas las glorias para Srila Prabhupada!
 
Todas las glorias para Guru y Gauranga!
 
Todas las glorias para Radha Govinda Candra!
 
Todas las glorias para Sri Radhe!
 
Espero que haya tenido un feliz Radhastami Maharaja!!!!!...
 
Muchisimas gracias a Usted maharaja, por todo.
Espero que este muy bien en todos los sentidos.
 
Perdone que le escriba tantas veces en tan pocos dias, pero estoy intentando llegar a una conclusion en mi vida y mi egoismo me hace pedirle consejo.
 
Llevo algo mas de dos años Maharaja intentando solucionar mi vida material de una manera honrada para poder estar muy cerca de Varuna, pero no lo consigo. Cuando he podido trabajar no hubiera podido ver a Varuna, y cerca de Varuna intentando trabajar independientemente no consigo trabajo. Sufro mucho porque Varuna quiere que este cerca de el, pero no lo consigo, haga lo que haga. Ademas tengo un apego muy fuerte por Varuna.
 
Yo he llegado a un punto en donde no se nada realmente sobre mi deber material, sobre todo como padre de Varuna, y mi deber en proteger mi Sadhana y Asociacion. Tengo muchas voces dentro de mi, intelectuales, mentales, emocionales, ademas de increibles apegos, y no soy capaz de ver ninguna solucion.
 
Los conceptos espirituales tambien me hablan, como por ejemplo, que estoy en una inmensa ilusion y que Krsna es el controlador supremo.
 
Como no soy capaz de sacar una conclusion, estoy pensando darme un tiempo e irme de peregrinaje, solo con mi mochila, como un peregrino, esperando que mi dedicacion completa al canto y a la meditacion junto con el peregrinaje, sean capaces de dejarme ver la solucion que necesito, porque yo no puedo. Practicar la confianza en Krsna.???.
 
Necesito su consejo y sus bendiciones, para que mi viaje sirva para algo, y tal vez, se convierta en un Parikrama. Cree que esta bien Maharaja que lo haga????, yo no lo se.
 
Espero con ansiedad su respuesta, ya que sera la salida de mi peregrinacion si cree que puede ser positivo en mi vida.
 
Perdone por todas mis ofensas Maharaja.
Muchas gracias.
A sus pies.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
 
 
HpS - ASA -  Jaya!   Srila Prabhupada Ki Jai!     Aparece que estamos recibiendo estas cartas para la segunda vez??      No tengo consejo specifica. Claro 1) Canta Hare Krsna sincero y espero buen consejo por la corazon, Krsna, Paramatm,  2) Continua con leyendo libros de Prabhupada y va a encontrar mucho consejo,   3) Hablar con seis buen devotos (que conocen con mas detalle Vd. la situacion)   y va a llegar a una decision fuerte.
 
 
Es Kali-yuga.  La peregrincacion no es bueno.  Mejor aumentar su situacion en Sankirtana con otros y puede entender relacionar su relacion con Varuna bien also en Sankirtana.

Recuerdo

11 years, 7 months ago by Adi Yajña Das in Hot Topics

Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada

Por favor acepte mis respetuosas reverencias a Sus Pies de Loto Gurudev

                ASA -  Oink!       AGTSP    paoho..

 Hare Krishna Guru Maharaja Encontre esta carta de Srila Prabhupada  en un libro de Mahanidi Swami, Pienso Usted  me puede Ayudar.Y depues puse un texto completo de Srimad Bhagavatam 

Los Angeles

4 December, 1968
68-12-04
 
My Dear Sivananda,
Please accept my blessings. I have received your most recent letter (undated) and have noted the contents. I am so happy that by next week you will move into our new temple site and that you and Krishna das shall both be working so there will be no difficulty in financing. It is all Krishna's Grace.
So far as Acyutananda and Jaya Govinda, yes one of you may write to invite them to your temple in Hamburg. In this connection I have already dispatched one letter to them and I am still awaiting their reply.
Regarding your first question, is it offensive to think of Krishna's Pastimes while chanting, I think you should know that it is not offensive, but rather it is required. One must try for the point when he simply hears Krishna and immediately all of Krishna, His Pastimes, His Form, His Quality, are in his thoughts. So to always be immersed in thoughts of Krishna this is our process. When we are full in Krishna then where there can be any chance for maya in us? So this is our duty to remember Krishna's Pastimes. One who cannot remember Krishna, let him always hear Hare Krishna and then when he has perfected this art, then always he will remember Krishna, His Activities, His Qualities, etc.
 
 
It is progressive...  (NOI 7 & 8)..  During Japa make the chanting first. Nama..  rupa...    If we chant sincerely the Name will BRING the Form  and that will BRING the Qualities, Pastimes.   That is our experience, understanding.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The answer to your second question is that when one becomes accustomed to inoffensive chanting, then his fruit is that he is promoted to the stage of pure Love of Godhead, or prema. This prema is the perfectional stage of consciousness and the most blissful by very far.
So far as singing of the Christian hymns, if others sing this we have no objection, it is very nice, but in these hymns they have no definite idea of what is God. We are directly approaching and praying to Krishna for the highest benediction of eternal devotional service so we do not require to repeat the Christian hymns. Our point is to always follow the example of the acaryas and this will bring us to the perfectional stages with no doubt. For the Christian hymn you describe, the example may be given of where one person is appreciating that water is very nice and another is tasting water. So when we taste water the appreciation automatically is there and when we have taste for chanting, automatically the appreciation is there for God.
I hope that you are well along with Krishna Das and Uttama Sloka. Please keep me informed of progress with our Hamburg center.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
NB: You may write to Jaya Govinda at
Indraprastha Gaudiya Math
Dina Ka Talab,
Malkaganj
Delhi-6
India
Also Acyutananda at Radha Damodara temple Seba-Kunja, P.O. Vrindaban Dist: Mathura India.
 
Srimad Bhagavatam 2.7.53
 
The Lord's activities in association with His different energies should be described, appreciated and heard in accordance with the teachings of the Supreme Lord. If this is done regularly with devotion and respect, one is sure to get out of the illusory energy of the Lord.
PURPORT
The science of learning a subject matter seriously is different from the sentiments of fanatics. Fanatics or fools may consider the Lord's activities in relation with the external energy to be useless for them, and they may falsely claim to be higher participants in the internal energy of the Lord, but factually the Lord's activities in relation with the external energy and the internal energy are equally good. On the other hand, those who are not completely free from the clutches of the Lord's external energy should devoutly hear regularly about the activities of the Lord in relation with the external energy. They should not foolishly jump up to the activities of the internal energy, falsely attracted by the Lord's internal potential activities like His räsa-lélä. The cheap reciters of the Bhägavatam are very much enthusiastic about the Lord's internal potential activities, and the pseudodevotees, absorbed in material sense enjoyment, falsely jump to the stage of liberated souls and thus fall down deeply into the clutches of external energy.
Some of them think that to hear about the pastimes of the Lord means to hear about His activities with the gopés or about His pastimes like lifting the Govardhana Hill, and they have nothing to do with the Lord's plenary expansions as the puruñävatäras and Their pastimes of the creation, maintenance or annihilation of the material worlds. But a pure devotee knows that there is no difference between the pastimes of the Lord, either in räsa-lélä or in creation, maintenance or destruction of the material world. Rather, the descriptions of such activities of the Lord as the puruñävatäras are specifically meant for persons who are in the clutches of the external energy. Topics like the räsa-lélä are meant for the liberated souls and not for the conditioned souls. The conditioned souls, therefore, must hear with appreciation and devotion the Lord's pastimes in relationship with the external energy, and such acts are as good as the hearing of räsa-lélä in the liberated stage. A conditioned soul should not imitate the activities of liberated souls. Lord Çré Caitanya never indulged in hearing the räsa-léla with ordinary men.
In the Çrémad-Bhägavatam, the science of God, the first nine cantos prepare the ground for hearing the Tenth Canto. This will be further explained in the last chapter of this canto. In the Third Canto it will be more explicit. A pure devotee of the Lord, therefore, must begin reading or hearing Çrémad-Bhägavatam from the very beginning, and not from the Tenth Canto. We have several times been requested by some so-called devotees to take up the Tenth Canto immediately, but we have refrained from such an action because we wish to present Çrémad-Bhägavatam as the science of Godhead and not as a sensuous understanding for the conditioned souls. This is forbidden by such authorities as Çré Brahmäjé. By reading and hearing Çrémad-Bhägavatam as a scientific presentation, the conditioned souls will gradually be promoted to the higher status of transcendental knowledge after being freed from the illusory energy based on sense enjoyment.
Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports of the Second Canto, Seventh Chapter, of the Çrémad-Bhägavatam, entitled "Scheduled Incarnations with Specific Functions."
 
 
Mi deseo no es ser un sentimentalista o querer adentrarme mas al rasa lila sin la conciencia correcta, aunque se que las grandes almas son sirvientes en ese lugar, mi deseo es comprender mas a Radha y Krishna.  Todo esto es por que quiero tener mayor apego mejores rondas  y mayor desapego del mundo.
Este topico de meditar en los pasatiempos entre los devotos con los cuales yo estoy es como una desvicion , mas en realidad ninguno sabe muy bien de esto o cuando es esto desviado o como hacer tal practica.
Estas preguntas son relebantes para poder cambiar mi corazon, se que Usted en algun momento se va a IR del mundo y no voy a saber a quien Preguntar, y en un futuro todas estas cosas son con las que vamos a lidiar 
 
Siempre FIel a Sus enseñanzas y a Srila Prabhupada 
Su sirviente Adi Yajña Das
 
           ASA -  Hare Krsna, Hare Rama!    Seguimos los 4-principios buenos y cantamos 16-rondas entusiastas y podemos confiar en nuestra inspiracion y interpretacion de los ensnanzas de SP (libros)...     Super alma, Sadhu Sanga.  Estamos bien protegidos..!            !                                     !   Adelante con su mision.  Va a tomar Sannyasa?   How is your English study? 

Pamho.PabloParikrama

11 years, 7 months ago by PABLOPARIKRAMA in Personal Sadhana Reports, Hot Topics
Agt Srila Prabhupada!
Agt Sri Caitanya y Sri Nityananda!
Mis reverencias Maharaja.
Hare Krsna.
 
Soy Bhakta Pablo del Parikrama, de España.
Primero, gracias por sus enseñanzas. Me ayudan muchisimo, y espero que se encuentre muy bien y vaya mejorando su salud.
 
Tengo algunas dudas Maharaja.
 
1)-Cuando dice que lo que mas hace falta es vivir como en Vrndavana Dham, a que se refiere exactamente? .
            ASA --  AGTSP   paoho...  No entiendamos??
 
2)-Que relacion tiene con la deidad cada Ashrama Maharaja?. Segun me parece, el Sannyasi es mejor que adore a Krsna con la mente en el corazon???, entonces, que motivacion tenian grandes devotos como Sri Rupa Goswami al adorar a Krsna en la forma de la deidad??.
                  ASA -   En Kali-yuga the Deity is the Mahamantra...  and chanting more and more and more is the Temple.   The Ashrama doesn't matter much. 
 
3)-Que consejo daria a un intento de devoto como yo que no consige asociacion de devotos por mi ignorancia y que no es capaz de tener una buena relacion con la parte externa de ISKCON?. Cada vez que estudio otros senderos, estoy mas seguro que no quiero otro sendero, pero soy incapaz de encontrar la asociacion de devotos compatibles conmigo. No digo que alguien tenga la culpa.
 
               ASA - Eso es asociacion...     !            Continua de esta manera.   Mejorando asociacion con exterior ISKCON.      Claro, es diferente para cada uno.  Visita Templos etc. para un par de dias...  
 
4)-Si este mundo es un  reflejo de el mundo espiritual, tienen el mismo ritmo pero adulterado como la sombra y la persona??
 
              ASA - Si..
 
o llevan sucesos independientemente???
                   ASA -  Huh?
 
Perdone por tantas preguntas.
 
Gracias a Krsna y a Usted que tengo este Blog!!, que pena mas grande que no pueda ahora conectarme al sublime Japa Joe, que recuerdos mas dulces.
 
Muchisimas gracias por todo.
 
A Sus pies.
Hare Krsna.
                         ASA - Estamos detras en todo para Radhastami pero Ella toma carga de la vida espiritual personalmente en estas dias!!!

Hare Krsna - Re-initiation - Mbc DD

11 years, 7 months ago by sriradhedd in Personal Sadhana Reports, Hot Topics

Dear Hanumatpresaka Swami,

Please accept my respectful obeisances,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

How are You, Maharaja? I hope, better.

     HpS - ASA -   AgtSP     Paoho...     Please read the DTC for answer!!

Thank you for your answer what due to my defect i don't really understand <img alt="" src="http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/sites/all/libraries/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/15.gif" title="" />
You sent it:
"UNDERSTANDING SIKSA: How many intimate disciples did Lord Caitanya have (Hint: Less than 10)."
My answer: Six goswamis (but mostly Rupa and Sanatana), Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, Sivananda Sena, Haridas Thakura?
But Lord Caitanya had intimate associates also who weren't His disciples but He met Them in person.
Is there anybody in Caitanya Lila who didn't met Lord Caitanya personally?

Ok, Srila Prabhupada is our siksa guru, but we need to associate with a living Bhagavat Person, no?

Or maybe if we are so elevated, we don't need personal contact.

Maharaja, You sent me once "I don't think it is necessary to take Diksa vows again. If your Diksa guru was properly situated when you took them, then Krsna and Srila Prabhupada accepted them."

And i felt that's all right because i need "just" guidance but now i feel i need a closer relationship.

Please, Maharaja can You accept me as your disciple?    Please, don't reject me, without Your mercy i'm nothing.

The tiny part what i understand from Guru tattva i know from You.
You gave me so many things, but i have not too much use.

I just get up at 2.30-3 am, not so early like Your disciples. Take part on Mangala arti, chant with devotees, read just 1 hour daily but i try to improve because i know Your reguirement is 2 hours, and go to distribute books and preach once a week.
Not too much but from Your mercy i hope i can make progress.
Monday Vaisesika Prabhu, Nirakula and Jaya Bhadra Matajis will arrive to Hungary. I can't wait to associate with Them.
Last year i couldn't take part Vaisesika Prabhu's sankirtana seminar but now it seems i can.
Madhavanda Prabhu and His wife were here for a week also, we heard so many Krisna and Gaura kathas, it was nice.
I try to meditate on positive things and don't engage in negative and bad things.
This is my life nowadays...

Thanks for your patience.

Your servant,
Sri Radhe dd

    HpS - ASA  ---  Jaya!   3-1/2 intimate associates.      I don't know where it is written, but if you ask most senior devotees they will say that.  It's at least one place in CC:   1) Svarupa Damodara, 2) Ramananda Rai, 3) Siki mahiti, 3-1/2) SIkhi-mahitis Sister.

             Ooof!   Yes!       Prabhupada explains where he introduces this number that in Vedic culture women are counted as 1/2 a person.  Ooof!    Such and intense culture for a modern woman.  We are reading SB 3.23 now for our BhVai studies. It describes Devahuti's standard of chastity, the standard of womanhood, wife-hood. How ever, I experiennce that Srila Prabhupada demanded that standard of chastity toward himself as Sannyasa guru from his Sannyasi disciples also.

So, there is no limit to how much a devotee in a female body can be an intimate associate of a devotee in a male body or vis-a-versa. Like Lord Caitanya and Sikhi-mahiti's sister, the intimate connection has very little to do with the external, gender, or religious ritual, connection.
The real intimate connection is service. If we understand the service position of someone in terms of the Parampara, their Acharya, and are acting in an intimate fashion in that service, then we have an intimate relation. Of course, then it is easy to understand that this is not going to be determined completely by our desire. It will also be determined at least by the desire of the Parampara. Lord Caitanya PUT Raghunatha Das Goswami under the care of Svarupa-damodara, so they had an eternal intimate relationship.

You can see that it is simple but grows in detail. Like any living thing.

    So, is that a little clearer idea of our understanding of Guru?  I, our Acharyas, as far as I understand, don't emphasize Diksa, rather Siksa. Both are important but the emphasis is on Siksa.

   The next question might be, did Srila Bhakti-vinode Thakura take Diksa from Jagannatha Das Babji or did he consider the Diksa he received from Bipin Vihari to be sufficient.  I will ask Bhakti-vikasa Swami tommorrow night.    (Amazing a Siksa guru shows up just when you need one (Ha!   Ha!    Hare!))).

     O.K.   Please send us news of the meeting with Vaisesika and Matajis.   I have confidential relations with Vaisesika and Mother Jaya Bhadra due to past service co-operation with Srila Prabhupada. It is eternal!      -{:O)+

     AGTSP!