Letters to the editor

Hare Krsna Maharaj, Pamho, AgtSP
You are the one person, because of which, are hanging on Hare Krsna movement.  Hence your opinion matters to us most.

HpS - Not, to joke, you are a very, very central example for us of determination. You face such challenges, but you don't give up.

We wrote broken record as subject, as this has been in our mind for many years>>

 We hear from many people that Srila Prabhupada's sister was married to strange man. She was elevated devotee, but still she decided to cook meat for him. can you please give your comments on that ?  -- we are asking you because we keep hearing from you save yourself first.. this action of her seems to be contrary to that.

similarly, when its other way around, for man , is has been adviced to us by three counsellors to follow illicit sex.  one of them even say he follows it, he is second intiated devotee and  his wife not interesed in ultimate goal of life. we have heard in one public/recorded seminar  of chowpatty, illicit sex is unfavorable but not having it mainer times disastorous for family life.

one more female authority (a big shot) illicit sex
" My understanding of the "bottom line" of illicit sex in grhastha life is: only with husband/wife without chemical or mechanical means to avoid pregnancy normal sexual relations (right organ with the right object, as the Buddhists say) with an attitude of offering to Krsna one's body, one's emotional relationship with the spouse and any children that result accepting physical and emotional pleasure as the Lord's mercy to be a brahmacari-grhastha one would also limit sex to the days in the month when the woman is fertile"

we have some how convinced now, that there are some or may be many, first/ second intiated devotees of almost all  intiating gurus they indulge in illicit sex (not for procreation),  it happens even when both husband and wife are intiated....


seeing both cases one of no meat eating and no illicit sex. whats your opinion on family life and four rules.. esp when once you said four rules are not themselves spiritual.

HpS - AGTSP!   This is bizaare. Just five minutes ago I got a letter from a devotee in Germany who has been under weight for over a year. His doctor told him that he may die if he continues vegetarian diet. He asked me about eating some meat to put on weight:

We wrote: [10:48:26 AM] hp swami: It is a difficult question. In one Purport Prabhupada says that if the cows are being given enough grains, but at not producing milk and people are starving, then it is lamentable, but you CAN kill the cows to feed starving people.
[10:48:45 AM] hp swami: He doesn't say that you MUST kill the cows.
[10:51:19 AM] hp swami: So, one aspect is that you can make the choice, and tell your doctor, that I have decided that I will not kill a cow (pig, sheep (chicken(fish))) so that I can live. I would rather let my life go than kill them. Of course, I have written what I understand is the hierarchy above of how much suffering is being inflicted: child>cow> sheep/pig> chicken> fish> plants
[10:52:49 AM] hp swami: As far as I know there is just as much protein in beans, milk; and oils in those sources. It may be more expensive because there is subsidy to the meat industry, but it is there. Are you getting lots of cheese and strong beans every day?
[10:53:49 AM] hp swami: Meat is less digestible as far as I know also.

We have never heard Prabhupada say that Pisima cooked chicken or goat for her husband. Sometimes a Muslim cook is hired or the whole process goes on outside the house.

In over 10,000 pages of written communication from Prabhupada in his most intimate condition, we have read Prabhupada repeatedly say that all of his initiated disciples must chant 16-nice rounds daily and follow the four principles strictly. It does not mean that he won't try to be Vartmana pradarsika guru for you, get you back, or, for the first time, onto the path, but he is not your Diksa-guru until you are followning. We "can hardly expect him to come back for us if we don't sincerely follow his orders given at the time of iniation". Orders that he knows we can follow eventually and Krsna will help.

These are quotes.

In the beginning Marijuana may help you realize the mental platform above the gross physical platform, but later it is poison. In the beginning, giving unatural sex, receiving, may be a show of love, like giving excess candy to children who demand it, and then suffer diabetes attack.

Even as an institution, there is direct GBC statement with, as far as I know, not one dissenting vote, that anything other than sex between married couple during wife's time of conception, after chanting. 50-rounds is conducted in the mode of ignorance and there will stupid results, in larger or lesser degree.

If you engage a woman or let her engage in illicit sex, just to relieve tension in the body, pleasure, then she will be FORCED to experience just the same amount of pain, and you will her here screaming, moaning in just as much PAIN as there was PLEASURE.

This world is duality.

..and she will NOT be able to pull her mind away from the pain. The Bhagavatam says that one who engages women in illicit sex is a torturer of women.

]]-But it will save the marriage.

That is not a "marriage". It is an agreement between a prostitute and her client. [[Let us call it a cortesan and her lover.]]

]]-But it will save the children.

From what? If the wife leaves and gets a long-term 'contract' with a "lover", "marriage", then in the end the children will know, KNOW, K N O W, the message my father and mother gave me. My father upheld the standard and he's happy. My Mom was a little bit too weak, so she divorced, found a like minded Dude. They fornicate 3.2 times/week (USA standard 1965), fight, but keep it to that, and now at 65 my mom smokes, drinks a little, shares the house with my father and watches television.

That is how we understand the situation.

100% it is your sincerity and your relation with Krsna. If that is there then maybe you have to break 25,000 regulative principles (for Brahmanas) and become a bacteria and copulate with your entire body, but Krsna will be closer to you, the amoeba, than an insincere Brahmana (like us).

O.K????   Thank you so much for your news of so called Senior devotees who are  . . .

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From: Luis De La - Bhadra rupa Das

To: HpSwami

Cc: Ramanan Nagarajan Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:20 AM
Subject: Importante

Dear Maharaj Hanuman Presaka Swami,

My obesiances

Jay Srila prabhupada!

Thank you very much for your message and your wonderful association!

Your paper of education helped me a lot Maharaj . Thank you very much! 

I will wait for your reply about Radhika Raman Prabhu. statements.

HpS - Hare Krsna.   I sent him a text about our trip to India and he has not yet responded to that, so I suspect he is very busy and do not want to push him, but this weekend I will call him by the grace of God and ask him for some statement about the Harvard Symposium.

Ah!  Ha!    I just thought to Google "ISKCON 50 Harvard" and there it is. Is that enough for you?

1.- Would you have some written information about the process to attain knowledge within the vaishnava perspective in comparison with the western approach? i would like to explain it in my speech.

HpS - Again, the Introduction to the Sri Isopanisad: Iso Introduction, is a fantastic summary of our epistemology. In turn it is a summary of Jiva Goswami's 'Tattva sandarbha", as far as I know, which, as far as I know, is our definitive statement on epistemology. The only thing I might add is that it goes through induction, deduction, deduction based upon Vedas and stops there, but then there is knowledge gained by 'insight', 'intuition', the super soul. for that you can see BG 10.10-11. O.K?

Maharaj the university asked me yesterday to include in my speech at the parliament about the contributions from music.

2.- Could you please send me your verbal statements or something you have written about the gifts to practice music for the physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual levels?

Will this do?
In Indian, Vedic tradtion, the word Veda can be taken to mean 'wisdom'. Vastu-veda is then the path to wisdom though architecture, city, planning etc; Danda-veda the same through political science; Ayur-veda through medicine; and Gandharva-veda through music, dance and drama.
In the West the tradition of drama comes through Aristotle who saw the plot as the essence of the drama. This passes down through a long history of theory and practice to such recent authorities as Constantin Stanislavskii and later Paul Sills, whose influence we see see pervasive in the way cinema is now produced.

This can be read in the Britannica, Stanislavskii's autobiography, "My Life in Art", and "Improvisation for the Theater" by Viola Spolin.

In Indian the tradition starts Bharata Muni about 500 B.C., and this is wonderfully described by Prof. David Haberman in the Introduction to his translation of  "Bhakti-rasa-amrta-sindhu", a most prominent work on Gandharva-veda in the modern times.
Bharata-munis idea was that music, dance, opera, drama, was not just about the story, but more about changing the perspective that the audience had. In Sanskrit this would be Bhava or Buddhi. We act. We think. We understand.

This ability of music, which if it is good, automatically results in a desire to dance, and then act out the meaning of the song, is its real glory. In the BRS Rupa Goswami presents all the elements of music, opera, spiritual opera, from the time of Bharat to the very prominent Saint Sri Krsna Caitanya, who showed how music can drag us to the lower centers of our body or lift us to the higher ones, then beyond the body to the functions of the mind and then finally take us to the non-material ecstacies in love of God which is rich in the history of all religions traditions.
 

Thank you very much Maharaj!

Your servant,

Bhadra Rupa das

Dear Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Krsna the all attractive is Bhagavan, one who is full in six opulences, who has full strength, full fame, wealth, knowledge, beauty and renunciation. Jiva, a spirit soul, atma is a part and particle of Krsna, who is Paramatma. Jivatma is also known as (part of) tatastha-sakti, marginal energy. Which, in simple words means, has to choose where to be – in antaranga or bahiranga sakti.

Somewhere, I cannot cite where (CC?), it is said that Krsna expands with the desire to enjoy. In this context the expanding means not only visnu-tattva but also jiva-tattva. In other words, Krsna expands in both visnu and jiva tattva to enjoy (more).

Jiva has the qualities that Krsna has, but not so ample. The example is given of the ocean and drop of ocean. Drop has same qualities like the ocean, but in minute form/size.

Because Krsna is independent, jiva is also independent, but only to some degree. Krsna does not interfere with jiva's independence. If Krsna would do that , it will mean that jiva is like a robot, which is not.

Jiva, somehow or other, leaves Krsna's service, with the desire to enjoy (apart from Krsna). Krsna gives him place to exercise that plan of enjoyment. That place is the material world, which He himself says is full of misery. Simply put, you can go on with your desire to enjoy in the place of suffering.

When jiva leaves Krsna, Krsna gives him suffering*, even though Krsna is omnipotent and could give jiva enjoyment, and from time to time send a note about Him (the beauty in and of the spiritual world).

*HpS - Here we would say that Krsna gives him suffering and happiness. Turning away from Krsna we do not actually "suffer", we kind of like cease to exist. Like becoming autistic. Then Krsna creates this place of relative happiness. Two hours of reflected suffering gets you two hours of reflected happiness.

Now, it looks like Krsna does and thinks in this way:” He is leaving me, so he will (have to) suffer”. Does this not seem like Krsna is jealous and not fair? He creates a jiva for His enjoyment, jiva leaves Him, He gives jiva suffering (actually a world were to act, which by nature is full of misery). Well, Krsna may be fair, but it does not look really like he is full of love. It looks more like he is egoistic.

HpS - Kids want to imitate adults. Have you seen this??  It is such a deep, deep desire. So adults give them some facility. From Krsna's point of view it is all Anananda. So it must also all be Ananda for us when we again have that point of view, "Wasn't it funny bieng in the material world!", but in Maya (50%, 75%... ) we see it differently!  If there were no conditioned sould who would we preach too!

In BG Preface Srila Prabhupada says that Krsna demands service from jiva. *

HpS - We remember him saying that Krsna Demands our service and Wants our service. Not a duality.

Krsna could make a world where every jiva could enjoy (without suffering). I do not now how that can be made, but He is God, the omnipotent one. And then in that world, the jiva could be given a memo or some information about Krsna and all nice pastimes that are going on in relation with Krsna. In this way jiva could re-think about it all.

HpS - Phil Ochs - "And beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate, and the night is the shadow of the dawn".  We are not Krsna. We cannot be independent enjoyers. If Krsna created that, he would change us. He would "create" something new. We would be Svamsa?  <img alt="smiley" height="23" src="http://hps.monkeywarrior.com/sites/all/libraries/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/regular_smile.png" title="smiley" width="23" />

So yes, you sometimes say that Krsna is a very jealous person.
HpS - He wants all of your love!

OK, He is God and He can put demands.

HpS - But God means that He is the most renounced. He doesn't demand anything, no?

But, then let's admit that and talk directly in that way**. No need of talking about love, exchange, etc. He is God and can do whatever He likes. Whoever leaves Him will suffer by His command and will be fine only if comes back to Him with the attitude of service. If it is ONLY like this, then let's be clear and say it now and forever. It may look harsh but it is the truth (if the situation is really like that). We may not need so many other usage of words to explain this principle. Of course, there can be many discourses how to go back, but about this situation that it is His program if jiva does not want to serve Him, jiva has to suffer, there is no need to talk more. No need to talk about affectionate dealings, etc. Where is there affection if one who can make everything, makes one who does not think like Him, suffer?
HpS - Same argument as before, no? If God is all powerful, can He create a rock that is too heavy for Him to lift. Our professor of Mathematics at University of California once stopped the class and did a whole discussion of this. He said, that this is a whole class of logical fallacies. It is not just the God one, there is also the one about the Barber of Seville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_paradox

You have defined God as all powerful, so the question is can create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it. The answer logically has to be yes. He can do anything.    The problem is that we are redefining God, the Jiva,  in the middle of the statement.

He made us dependent, toothless suckers. So, that is our world. He cannot act like Balarama. He has to be God. He cannot break the rules, but He IS Balarama. He IS the Jiva.

While jiva is with Krsna in spiritual world, he and situation is sat cid ananda (eternally knowledge and bliss). Why would a person who is fully happy, not just happy but blissful, want to leave that situation?

HpS - ASA - This is the Drug Addict logic, no?  We are like heroin addicts. We are experiencing so much pleasure we can't leave.    O.K.   If we are controled by pleasure or pain, in either case we don't have free will. We can go into the Bahir anga Shakti when we want to.  Why?   That question has no meaning, just like Krsna is Sarva karana karanam.. He is the cause of all of His acts. Nothing forces Him.

So we have little ability to do what we want. Not for pleasure or pain, but because WE CHOSE to do it.  No other reason.
THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ESSENCE OF ALL OF THIS FOR most devotees: BG 4.10 purport, "...When they are informed that spiritual life is also individual and personal, they become afraid of becoming persons again,...", when we actually realize what spiritual life is then we are afraid of our own responsibility. We want to be FORCED to be happy.  We want to be happy, not that Krsna is happy. We want to be happy.
 

Fortunately Krsna's foremost potency (Prayers by the Personfied Vedas) is his mercy on reclaiming the fallen souls, so in the end Radha is more tricky that Durga, and even though we don't want to get out of Maya, Radha will find some way to trick us back into serving Krsna, but it is a very subtle thing, the White Witch fighting with the Black Witch. We can help.

In those moments when I felt really happy, thrilled, I did not want that moment to stop. And if it stops , I want it again. So, if a person jiva is blissful, why would want to leave that position? Why would even think of anything else?

HpS - You did. Now you can think about going back. You are God (in your little (but real) world). So, Krsna knows that you are making a chocolate cake for Radharani's birthday party because you WANT to. Not because He is rewarding you. He knows that you are discovering newer and newer aspects of your character, pushing your group on more and more. It is like flying in the sky and never coming down for fuel.  How to do that??

Other point for discussion is that jiva was not with Krsna. At least, not in a manner described above – eternal, full of knowledge and blissful with Krsna in His pastimes. Wherever he was (Brahmajyoti, or whatever place on the other side of Viraja) it may be defined as being with Krsna, but that is not fully as being with Krsna in His pastimes. Or it was not at all with Krsna? Again, jiva decided to not be with Krsna. So, why jiva needs to suffer. He choose material world, without having experience of being with Krsna, why should he suffer? It appears not fair.

That would, kind of, disprove words of Srila Prabhupada where he directly says that we were with Krsna in His pastimes. And that opens another topic which we will leave for later. <img alt="smiley" height="28" src="file:///C:\Users\HHHANU~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png" width="28" />

Karma is a system to rectify the fallen jiva. It is a universal law system. It is very difficult to understand it. Principle can be understood, but details of who-gets-what by their actions is difficult to know. There are guidelines, but everyone is performing many actions all the time, so it all mixes up.

Idea is that jiva suffers so much and then wants to stop that suffering. A point here is that, generally talking, nobody knows why is there suffering (i.e. what is the cause of suffering). There is some vague idea. But if a person will know that at this moment (or these moments) I am suffering because I did this and that, that would act much better as a way to improve the consciousness. Example: person A kicks person B. Person B has broken nose and 3 teeth. (Somehow, no matter how and in which way, that is a detail) person A suffers the same consequences and KNOWS why that is happening.

Now the situation for the conditioned jiva is like this. Person A does something painful to someone. Goes with the life, forgets everything and then suffers without knowing why really suffering is happening.

HpS - In his heart he knows. Ask Carl Jung.  The education is deep. Sub-conscious

Then there is a point about babies and small children. Let us say children up to 5 years old. When they suffer (get beaten heavily, sexually molested and who knows what horrible things), what teaching are they going to get from that? What a 3 year old person gets by being sexually abused? What is there to learn for that person? That child is not developed to understand, generally speaking.

HpS - Same point. Any study of psychology like Jung or even to some degree, Freud, and you will see that animals are only conscious of their sense objects and little bit their senses and maybe little bit more. So they are getting knocks and rewards like children their whole lives, but there is a change in their Bhava, Buddhi, by that. It is a subconscious change in our present awareness, but at heart we know what is happening. Of course, we may want to pretend, "Oh, I don't deserve this!  This proves there is no God. Ha! Ha!   Now I can enjoy raping beautiful women and eating people!   Ha!   Ha!"

It looks that it is easy to leave Krsna. Srila Prabhupada somewhere says that at the moment the person does not want to be with Krsna, BLOOP, he is in material world. After that, it looks it is difficult to go back. It is even difficult to have some strong realization, like being fully certain that what I experienced is really Krsna. It can be to see, hear, taste , feel Him. Like, when you eat, at one point there is fullness of stomach and satisfaction. Nobody needs to tell you if and how I am full.

HpS - Maybe we bloop from Goloka to Mathura then go back.  Or any level of descent and then go back up.

This text is not to challenge Krsna, but a contemplation on the sambandha and hopeful re-connection, with Him.

I could write more on the topic but will stop so that the text does not become too long.

HpS - It is already really long, but it is nice!  If anybody has any questions about this I will tell them to ask you.  Ha!   Ha!   Ha!

This text is imperfectly composed. It was edited more then few times. Still, it is my hope that main points/questions are showed:

• Jiva was with Krsna in everlasting fully knowledgeable joyful times. Why jiva wanted to leave that place and these joyful times? To add to the mystery that jiva had much more knowledge than in material world, meaning, for example, could know that there is no fun without Krsna.

* BG Preface: Instead of satisfying his own personal material senses, he has to satisfy the senses of the Lord. That is the highest perfection of life. The Lord wants this, and He demands it.

HpS - Yes, He wants this, (Please come play with Me!), and He demands it (Grrrr!)

** Sometimes we say it like that, explain the situation in this way but more than often there is a description of mutual love and similar phrases.

Thank you.

Your servant Namacarya das

HpS - Jaya!  We just realize that Krsna is always there ready to help. We just have to call, "Help!", then He helps. Then we get in a better position to remember Him more.  It is a gradual process. Some folks are faster learners than others.

Are the comments we gave useful?  I think we covered a lot. There are more things, but some of them get more esoteric.

Hare Krishna ! 

Por Favor Acepte mis reverencias y que todas las Glorias Sean  a Srila Prabhupada !!

Paramakaruna Sri Sri Gaura Nitay Ki Jaya !!

Todas  las Glorias a Ud Gurudeva !!

h[H]are Krishna Gurumaharaj por favor acepte mis reverencias queria agradecerle por su respuesta la cual ayudo mucho a mi dia a dia con todos los servicios,  ya no estoy como comandante y tampoco en el bbt . solo me encargo del pujari y de mi  buena esposa y continuar teniendo buena asociacion con los vaisnavas, por lo tanto mi corazon esta mas tranquilo. confiamos que Sri Sri Gaura Nitay Pueden hacer los arreglos que quieran.

Ahora mi inquietud es otra , y tiene que ver con el Señor Krishna en forma de Silas . la situacion es la siguiente si bien un devoto aqui me ofrecio regalarme una, y que fuera a la casa a buscar,  lo cual no acepte sin tener su permiso , por lo tanto no fui nunca. aunque de una manera u otra ya tenemos toda la parafernalia para su comodidad . pero luego de un tiempo vino prabhu Paundra , se acerco y me dijo que ya no iba a adorar su sila y que la unica persona que pensaba era en mi , y me la dejo ,.,... practicamente sin darme muchas opciones  y le dije pero todavia no le pedi permiso a gurumaharaj ... en fin al finde semana siguiente le paso algo parecido a mi esposa y le dieron una sudarsham . lo cual la persona que se la dio (madre) no sabia que ya nos dieron una hacia unos dias .....quiza especulando o entendiendo que krishna se nos presenta debemos atenderlo ??  entonces la pregunta es si ud nos daria la misericordia y el permiso de poder ocuparnos en asistirlo a ud  en esa adoracion ??? Aqui en el templo estoy adorando a Saligram Gopal Sila  Y Giri Govadhana . hace ya unos 6 meses todos los dias .

Aqui le dejo algunas fotos.

Muchas gracias por su tiempo y misericordia para con esta alma , que intenta asistirlo cada vez mas , por favor nunca permita que pierda la asociacion de los vaisnavas o las Deidades . 

Dandavat

Su sirviente eterno Garga-acarya Das 

HpS - Para adorar los Silas tiene que ser un Brahmana, Dvija, de caracter. Siempre levantando para Mangala-arati? Sus rondas terminado bien cada dia? Buen fotos.

Todas las glorias a srila prabhupada y todas las glorias a usted!!!

Gracias por responder mi carta. 

Querido maharaja sepa disculparme pero no eh podido comprender perfectamente su carta anterior.

HPS - ASA --- TlgaSP.   pfanrh.  No es sorpresa, somos tontos.

Si comprendo que para casarse usted esta diciendo que tenga segunda iniciacion. Pero las dudas que me quedaron son: si esta de acuerdo con mi asocion?

HpS - Esa es una frase, idea, subtil. No hablamos espanyo subtil!  Desculpa....

...y que piensa de realizar la maraton en mexico ?

ASA - ""And I have to realize the Maraton en Mexico."" Aaaagh!   We don't understand what this has to do with your marriage???

Tambien de mi formacion en mexico bajo el cuidado de Aravinda prabhu,Durante unos meses . 

Muchas gracias 

Su eterna sierva María Bernarda.

HpS -  Tenemos cerebrio de un Burro Norte Americano de 68, casi 70 anyos.  Ooof.  Hemos perdido dos dientes, convertiendo ciego, mudo, cojo (cripple), Y, claro, la memoria corta desapareciendo.
[Demasiado
boraccho, todo, universidad Hippy en la joventud.]
Entonces,

no podemos recordar nuestra carta anterior, y no tenemos esfuerza buscar y relacionar bien con esta carta, y es deficil en esta media de Blog 'discuss' these things...

pero... tenemos bastante experiencia valioso, mejor inteligencia (buddhi) que nunca, entonces somos valioso para Vds, no?   Como utilizar esta burro viejo-mitad sabio??

CONSEJOS
Matrimonio Vaisnavio - La idea es pasar la purificacion de ser monja (Ave Maria) hasta segunda iniciacion, entonces puede descriminar su varna y ashrama mas claro (soy ksatrini, tengo ser casado con Super-Hombre).

Casi (99.3%) guarantizado fracaso es casarse con hombre mas joven que Vd.

Mas detalles general, pero esos son dos importantes.

Tercero y fin de esta cartita ....  no es matrimonio entre dos personas, es matrimonio entre dos familias.
Tiene que ser una buena honda entre la familia material y espiritual de los de el y las de suya (me gusta su mama y hermana, su guru de sankirtana le gusta mi guru de sankirtan).

O.K?

Puede imprimir esta carta y distribuir a todo la yatra para todo su vida no?
 

Una dia va a ser una devota de 67-anyos.
Una abuelita.

.16-buenas rondas y 4-principios estricas y puede adjustar todo.
Mas noticias de Capina Grande y su Sendero Luminoso...  Dos fotos de St. Bernard abajo!

Abhirama Das,
I have tried to edit the translation of Cecilia's article but after about five paragraphs I see that it will not be possible. The current translation is terrible. Is her paper clear in Spanish? It appears to us that even in Spanish it may not be easily understood.
Is there someone we can pay to translate it. They should translate one page as a sample.
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Abhirama Das,
He tratado de editar la traducción del artículo de Cecilia, pero después de alrededor de cinco párrafos veo que no va a ser possible. The traducción actual es terrible. Es su papel claro en español? Nos parece que, incluso en español no puede entenderse fácilmente.
¿Hay alguien que podemos rendir a traducirlo? Ellos deben traducir una página como una muestra.