Bg 17.28 Inquiry

Dear Gurumaharaja,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

First of all i wish to thank you for your reply to my previous letter. Temple news is that Krishna Ksetra Maharaja visits this weekend for classes. Mother Kishori from France visited the other week, and the place got opened with Radhastami and was baptised 'Gaura Dham.'

My reason for writing is that i seek more understanding about a certain point which i hope you can clarify. It is about the contents of this verse:
http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/17/28

Hrdayananda Goswami reasoned in a class that chanting Mahamantra in the streets is not very effective to most hearers because of the point of this verse. There would be ajnata sukriti, but that is not so potent as to make people come forward and really take up the chanting. For people who have past life experiences, the chanting would wake them up to their previous position and they would continue. The same goes for reading Srila Prabhupada's books. The argument he used based on this verse, is that if an action is not purposefully done out of  good intention, the result would not be very potent. After all, the verse prior to this one mentions the criterium as to please the Lord.

Now this shook me up a bit, because of what i sort of picked up in our ISKCON, that the chanting is so potent that everybody will benefit. Of course, Maharaja did not deny that explicitly, nor did he dissuade from doing Harinam in any way, but it was a bit of a letdown, because his point made sense to me. On the other hand, Srila Prabhupada says that even chanting as a joke or mockingly has effect. How do i understand this apparent contradiction? And is ajnata sukriti really not that potent, and does it have to add up in order to be of some influence?

There was another class in Berlin from September, which became a topic of discussion on the internet, where Maharaja said that the prophesy of Lord Caitanya can lead devotees in Harinam parties sometimes to be in a bubble of 'saving the world,' while in actuality they are not connecting to the people around them. To me, these episode strenghten in me the notion that to speak to one person a day, in a good conversation with mutual respect, and to impress upon them the glories and benefit of chanting, and inspiring them in that way, is a glorious thing. Of course i would be interested in understanding your ideas on the 9% that you disagree with in Maharaja, to see more balance, but i can understand could be beyond the scope of this forum. Anyway, i look forward to hearing your thoughts.

With kind regards,
Your aspiring servant,
Raghava Pandit das

 
HpS - ASA --- Thank you, on our behalf and all the frogs here in the Bog, so much for your association. Yes, it seems beyond the scope of this Blog.  In general you have said it.  There is Ajnata sukrti for new people and stimualtion of their Vasanas, Samskaras, Ajnanata-sukrtis, from previous lives for those people. It has immediate and lasting benefit, but yes, it does build up.
 
Yes, there is different potency in how it is done.

We remember that Prabhupada said that in his mother's kitchen all the pots were free of even a black spot from carbon. One black spot and back to the serving girl for cleaning. She would always clean while cooking, so when the offering was done, it was just two stroke to clean the kitchen. Prabhupada said that if you take Prasadam prepared in a Kitchen like that, then immediately you feeled refreshed, happy.
 
So, yes, if we are chanting like Kanthistha adhikaris, only see God in the procees, our process, then it is not as potent as Madhyama adhikaris who 1. Avoid the demons in the audience, 2. Preach (connect) to the innocent, 3. Worship God by the Chanting, and 4. Make friendship with the devotees (eg. Samskara guys).    O.K?     Always go chanting with flags.  In Russia, always go with good accordion music etc.

O.K?   Some little idea?
 
 
 
 

Haribolo. Budanath

9 years, 8 months ago by H.Rama in Personal Sadhana Reports, Hot Topics, Other

AgtSP

Pamho Maharaja, Hare Krsna.

I regret the delay, I had my head in a thousand places (mental). I had not sung my rounds (16) a few days, but I have targeted.

Sometimes I can hardly write, although I love, becouse my level is not very high, and only I have very normal questions I´ve heard many times but I exceed either. Or are incorrect questions or stories to a Vaisnava Sannyasi.

You know I am a very ordinary person with a good heart, no more.

These days I have had a personal realization. The other day I woke up at 7:30 to sing my rounds, I was very tired, and singing rounds I located what I felt like my union with atma, my atma and Atma(paramatma or spiritual platform, I think). I feltn the change in the circulation of energi, and I felt one individual consciusness, my self, and felt attached to a river of life. The energi going from the inside out, all around, a union like flowers and roots.

I was very happy becouse I felt that that was the same as over the death, or that I thought.

As always, thanks for everything Maharaja, for the blog, etc. Nectar.

Hare Krsna.

Budanath

ASA - Wow!    Sounds like something out of Herman Hesse and "Siddhartha". Super. From previous lives, no?    In the middle of all these esoteric realities Srila Prabhupada's books seem more and more potent, no?  Long way to go!!!   Please go ahead!!!

Appeal to Manipuri Leaders

9 years, 8 months ago by hps in Hot Topics

Hare Krsna!

AGTSP!
Esteemed Manipur ISKCON, Bhakta vrnda et al,

Ki Jai!   How are you?    We sent many letters earlier, but gave up because practically speaking we never received and response!!    We have, however, been in frequent touch with our good disciple in Thoubal, Yamunesvar?

How are things in Radha Govinda Temple?

We will try to visit next year in February or so?

Is that good idea?

How is Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Maharaja's mission going there?

Any news of better relations with Ajita Das?

What is H.H. Gopal Krsna Maharaja's idea about Manipur Sankirtan.

Thank you.

In urgency please call us at USA mobile: 209 505 3219

Thank you.

HpSwami

LAD turning white?

9 years, 8 months ago by laksmana-agraja in Hot Topics

Hare Krishna, dear Gurumaharaja.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I think I´m going to some kind of break point.

I´ve being considering several things.

First, about my own status within ISKCON. I think I have to turn white. I mean, to wear white. Since my surgery, I haven´t been behaving like a monk. Actually, I don’t want to. I’ve being criticized for talking too much to girls, living in my own place, doing whatever I want, etc. They’re right, and I like it. I want to be more involved in the preaching out of ISKCON facilities, parallel with my teaching as NIMSAR member, preaching at the temple, etc.  I like Krishna west. HDG have been saying things that I completely agree with, regarding to our interaction with the world. Things like that we are expecting that the world come to us but is not happenig. We have to enter to the global discurse, etc. But I want to do my own thing. Preaching center or whatever I can run. Probably with a girl by my side.

Lately, you were asking me several times about my status…so this is my view. Besides, I don’t want to be in the spot light no more, it’s no sane for me. I prefer to be low profile, a normal guy, wearing  white, etc. If now that I’m mister nobody some people is not comfortable with me around ( I’ve just resigned  Chosica board of directors cause of that) imagine LAD sannyasi candidate!  My preaching may be more effective from a grhasta platform. I think Peru is not ready for a Peruvian sannyasi. Besides, I don't want to travel. There lots of thing to do here and in the region.

Many other things, but it´s enough for now.

Now, I’m asking you permission to wear white, dear Gurumaharaja. I don’t want to dissapoint you. I’m sorry, but that’s what I feel.

Your useless servant,
LAD

HpS - ASA --   AGTSP   paoho...   We have been wondering what has happened to you!    Several days with no communication.     First decision is:

Am I going to serve God or the Devil.  The devil has faster parties and better whiskey but in the long run prospects don't look so good.

Second decision is which Acharya am I going to select to approach God?    Jesus, Mohammad, Caitanya?  Are you fixed in staying under Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet eternally?  His ISKCON?

Next we got GBC details etc.    Varna-ashrama details.   These are still part of our transcendental service.  This is where things can start to get very practical and very detailed.

I would suggest first thi​ng is your Ashrama.  There really are only four: B'cari, Grhasta, V'prastha and Sannyasa.   If you start inventing Brahmastra, Grhacari etc you are an easy target for Maya.  You don't have Sastra to tell you what to do.  Good people don't know how to relate to you.
No bona fide ISKCON organization is going to suggest something other than Varna ashrama Dharma.

This is one dis-accord [amongst the many more accords] that we may have with Hrdayananda Maharaja.  We remember him saying that there is no such thing as "Vedic Culture" in Vedic tradition, but then next day we saw in Prabhupada's books the statement, "Vedic culture, Varna-ashrama-dharma". We did not want to bring it up, so as not to create a polemic, argument, over a more minor point, but there it is.

We are b'cari, grhasta, vanaprastha or sannyasa, or sastric approved subdivision. Yes, we can take to some mixed, mental concoction for illusiory sense gratification, but we will only get mixed clarity of intelligence and a mixed chance of human body in this life or the next.  Of course, Krsna, Guru, will still try to help us and engage us in pure devotional service and get us back on the track.
 
So, now you are a B'cari. Dress in peach colored clothes in the temple, and as much as possible outside. Dress in secular dress as needed for Sankirtan, but for short term contact for preaching purposes only.
 
Who is experience great succes in the modern world? Russia, China, USA?   Krsna West or some other entity is designed to connect with the successful material culture?    No, that is not the idea. There is no, "Main Stream Successful Culture".  Are we right?
There is only a "Main Swamp Confused Culture", and yes, Lord Caitanya shaved off his Sikha, but he didn't take a Sannyasa name, so we have to adjust but with intelligence.
 
We offer our advice to you and others.   It is very nice discussing with you, but victory, rather than seeing your life becoming a defeat, depends on good advice, and good advice comes from many counselors. Talk with Mathuresa Das, Omkara Das. . .

The Peru yatra, to our vision, is a mess in terms of administration. The USA is a mess. Men can marry men and give each other a big lusty good-by kiss in the airport and the Supreme Court agrees!

1. In any case don't deviate from ISKCON management structure. If it comes to the fact that the ultimate managing authority, the GBC, is itself fallen, then we can go directly to Prabhupada for adminitrative solutions.
 
2. Always be a part of the solution. Always think how I can improve the situation, help others, rather than run away and get my own benefit.
 
3. Always keep your Sadhana. FMP.
 
4. Wear orange as a B'cari. Consult with Guru, Brahmanas et al, about changing Ashrama and then if you are going to go into Vanaprastha Ashrama, then wait until reasonable arrangments have been made by sane family (ISKCON) memebers and formal aggreements made, even signed documents, fire sacrifice, then change color.
 
The Witch will howl and gnash Her teeth in dismay but you will be safe and strong. Your wife will be safe and strong (She may even have a little mustache). Your nation will be safe and when you die they will make a tomb for you in central Lima and write on it: He was a Cool Dude, and people will come to offer flowers at your tomb and pray for benedictions (and unless there is a proper roof, pigeons will also drop splendid offerings on your monument).
 
And by the way...   Where is our Word Doc for the NIMSAR Regional Encounter and we know about the Youtube posting.  Ambo/Vrsa have been pretty professional to tell us where it is.

You are one of our ASA Main Guys.  Monkey and Piggy et al, don't care really what you do, too much, as long as you keep making these great blog posts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Lima, Argentina, Chile Calendar (50% Confirmed)

9 years, 8 months ago by Ambarisa Maharaja Das in Hot Topics, Calendar Development

Hare Krsna

Pamho Agtsp

Guru dev

We were talking with Jagad guru, Vrsabhanu nandini dd, Madhavendra puri, Rati manjari and Jahnava dd about the Chile and Argentina calendar, and the preaching activities.

Here in Cordoba we have the Jung s activities and preaching programs for devotees. in the Cordoba capital the devotees  are triying to open a temple after many years, i think we need your guidance and inspiration.

 We are organice a team in BS As with Madhavendra, Rati and Jahnava dd for organize in a better way the jung preaching and have good contact and dialogue with interesting people. in Bs As there a few contact like Bhakta Luis and the director of the mental hospital and Rati manjari,  Jhanava dd have other contact to work on it. Also there a devotee who is Psicologist that could organize a meeting with others psicologist student of psicology.

Here we have diferent dates option for your travel to Argentina and Chile, what do you think?

BNA (Nashville) EZE (ezeiza Buenos Aires)

COR (Cordoba) SCL (Santiago de Chile)

Option 1...  Option 2....  Option 3....  ASA - See below.

thank you for your time,  effort and inspiration.

traying to serve to your mission, and Srila Prabhupada Ambarisa das.

HpS - ASA ---  AGTSP.   Paoho.  Thank you all  for so much effort.   We just finishing like 3 hours working on all the options and here is the result:

[This reservation was ticketed and confirmed on Fri., Oct. 9, 2015 at 10:58 a.m. Central Time]

Mon., Jan. 4, 2016 | Nashville, TN, US (BNA) to Lima, PE (LIM)

Depart: 11:23 a.m, Nashville, TN, US (BNA)

Arrive: 1:49 p.m, Houston, TX, US (IAH - Intercontinental) - Flight Time: 3 hr 26 mn, Flight:UA3962

Change Planes. Connect time in Houston, TX, US (IAH - Intercontinental) is 2 hr 11 mn.

Depart: 4:00 p.m., Houston, TX, US (IAH - Intercontinental)

Arrive: 11:35 p.m., Mon., Jan. 4, 2016, Lima, PE (LIM), Flight Time:
6 hr 35 mn:  Total Travel Time: 12 hr 12 mn

Wed., Jan. 6, 2016 | Lima, PE (LIM) to Santiago, CL (SCL)

Depart: 10:15 p.m., Lima, PE (LIM)

Arrive: 3:50 a.m. +1 Day, Thu., Jan. 7, 2016, Santiago, CL (SCL), Travel Time: 4 hr 35 mn

Mon., Feb. 1, 2016 | Santiago, CL (SCL) to Lima, PE (LIM)

Depart: 7:14 a.m., Santiago, CL (SCL)

Arrive: 9:04 a.m., Lima, PE (LIM), Travel Time: 2 hr 50 mn, Flight:AV624

Wed., Feb. 3, 2016 | Lima, PE (LIM) to Houston, TX, US (IAH - Intercontinental)

Depart: 1:10 a.m., Lima, PE (LIM)

Arrive: 6:40 a.m., Houston, TX, US (IAH - Intercontinental), Travel Time: 6 hr 30 mn, Flight: UA855

$1200!  Only!!
 
Suggest:
MERCO-SUR: January 7-13 in Santiago (Vyasa-puja); 13-20 in BsAs; 20-27 in Cordoba; 27-1 (Feb) in Santiago (Education Conference). There is a direct flight from Cordoba to Santiago on LAN.
LIMA: One, two days coming and going for Initiations and Jung other work.

Calendar - Now to May (Santiago Conference)

9 years, 9 months ago by hps in Hot Topics, Calendar Development

AGTSP!    Paoho

Our Calendar is based upo​n our mobility.   Our mobility is based upon Brother As'ss strength, energy.  We have recoverd 90% from the stress of our Houston, Mexico, Peru trip, but that means we are about 40% of what we were at 35-years old (but smarter), and it will certainly get less (and really smart of we are careful to apply Srila Prabhupada's instructions) as we go to our death (new body).

Internally we are dedicated to Saturday morning Pada-padma classes: Canto One and Two of Srimad Bhagavatam, and evening class in Spanish.  Other things we are including as natural.

We have a lot of work daily by telephone with Boise, Ministry of Education, Texas - ASA Nashville Sankirtan Central.

We have very interesting, but not now very clear, invitations from Latin America, so we are thinking of making our own plans to visit there.   We suggest that we go to Santiago from Nashville on the  6th of January and return on the 3rd of February.   We can visit other places from there if important.  That will cost us $1,100.

We will buy this ticket on Wednesday unless we hear something else.


Speak now or forever hold your peace.

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We will be based here, Nashville, 16th to 20th we will go to the Raleigh Rathayatra. Very close.   Then probably go to Houston [Mexico?] after November 18th.

Maybe Houston [Mexico?] 3rd - 10th February.

Then India for a few months as necessary.

All plans subject to change as the mood strikes us (Monkey/Piggy).

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Planning Chile,  any Congress

Make the topics first and look for the speakers et al?       We think it is first understand what will motivate us, then find the speakers, and of course the topic will be related to the speakers.  It is like the person Bhagavat and the book Bhagavata.  Can't separate, but person first by a little bit.

Hare Krsna!