Danudhara Swami ... Should We separate the work from the author?

1 month, 2 weeks ago by jagad.guru.das in Hot Topics

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

Dear Guru Maharaj,

I don't know if this post should be completelly public,

HpS ... O.K. We will edit it.

...because I just would like to know your perspective and to have your advice regarding this hot topic. But always your criterion is the best.

This letter Is regarding Dhanudhar Swami. I met him at NYC 5-6 year ago. Actually he helped us to get a cheaper place where to stay that nights, a hostal managed by the food for life encharged, it was my first visit there. And he was nice and took us to meet the Hare Krishna tree and the Second Avenue Temple. A nice person in my opinion then.

After my wife post a picture with him, we received warning about his issues with the ISKCON-GBC, CPO. etc.

HpS ... From whom? Official GBC, CPO people?

Now, my question is more practical, We are using his study guide "Waves of Devotion".

So my question is, Could we separate the work from the author?

Is seems that Prabhupada used to made the connection between both. For example, Tulsi Das, Prabhupada wasn't a fully supported of him. There is conversation where Prabhupada suggested that his bad experience with his wife influenced so much in his opinion regarding women in general, and Prabhupada didn't support his Ramayana either.

HpS ... I do not have very, very deep understanding of Tulasi Das and his Rama carita manas, but as far as I know Srila Prabhupada lliked many of his things but criticized others.

So in this case, seeing Dhanudhar Swami situation, and the CPO resolution about him by, and the thousands of devotees asking to the GBC don't letting him come back (see campaign here http://chng.it/WwNqwWcPsn) And, considering that at leat I don't know any news about an apology from him to his victims.

How can we relate to his literary work considering all of this?

Thank you for always give us some enlightenment which is essential to continue.

Hare Krishna.

Your servant.

Jagad Guru Das

HpS ... All of my personal dealings with Maharaja have been nice. Maybe he was a little proud of his knowledge and competency. I have not had contact with him for many years and only a little through nice devotees whom I know.

What is the official statement for the CPO? As far as I know he left ISKCON, GBC, many years ago formally. Also as far as I know the complaints were about harsh physical treatment by former Gurukula students and never any abou sexual abuse. That is all I know about his character.

Yes, Lord Chaitanya tood Sannyasa in a Mayavadi Sampradaya, we can use things for Sankirtan. Prabhupada quotes from Chanakhya Pandita, but Krsna-kripa Das told me that Prabhupada told Tamal Krsna Goswami that Chanakhya Pandita was the greatest politician who ever lived, but also a Mayavadi.

We have to be careful, yes but that is the nature of Lord Caitanya's movement, yukta vairagya, and the example of our Aharyas, no?

Please I need u

2 months ago by brian tellez in Hot Topics

Hare Krsna dear GM

pamho AGTSP. 

Here Vrajendra Kumara reporting, we did the December sankirtan marathon in Colombia, we were waiting for the Australian visa to travel with the Harinama Ruci, as good Colombian Karma useless monk for the system denied it to me, so I went to Chile to Sankirtan in January ,

we collected for the trip to India, Harinama Ruci and Maha Visnu Swami await us there, we go to Nepal to the Viasapuja of Mahavisnu Swami,

now I am traveling with an aspiring disciple of Mahavisnu Swami, who travels with the group through South America, his (her) name is Priscilla, Mahavisnu Swami gave us the blessing of getting to know each other and to travel with the Group we must get married and follow some vows. 

After India we go to the tour of Europe and then we will return to Argentina, we are getting to know GM and the idea is to get married so I think it will change my situation as a constant traveler,

I will most likely no longer return to Mexico so I would like to, if I settle down In Argentina, talking with the authorities and starting a program of Bhakti Vrksa or an Ashrama of Sankirtan, my main authority is being Mahavisnu Swami,

Gurudeva I am now taking the Guru Disciple course with my partner and yesterday I dreamed of you, GM I feel that I do not have a very close relationship with you, many times I have sent you unanswered letters, my Siksa Guru Mahavisnu Swami is always watching me, I would like to know

1. who should I go to now that I think live in Argentina to be my authority. 

2. How can I continue to serve in the mission with this new stage, and

3 How can I return to have a communication and relationship with you Dear GM.

HpS - AGTSP! Paoho.... As Guru, we have limited resources. We are not claiming to be Uttama Adhikari, just disciple of Srila Prabhupada, following his basic standard, nice rounds, strict principles,SANKIRTAN. Then we can only communicate so much with so many people, and like Devamrta Swami et al, is almost impossible to communicate by email while traveling.

So, we started putting a Priority Code in the Kapi Dhvaja. We can put so much general news in the Kapi Dhvaja and then if people, like you, read the KDh (and see the Priority Code), then we don't have to repeat so many things in individual letters.

But you are not using the Priority Code (PC) 😎 So you letters don't get Priority.

As Diksa guru, we just require one report a year on your Diksa vows, and of course other times in the Blog (with the Priority Code) is fine.

As Siksa guru, it is more natural that people we live with or engaged in the same Sankirtan work communicate!

So, Maha-visnu Swami is natural Siksa guru for you!! I think it is fine. You can send news to the Blog of Hari-nama Ruci work.

Is O.K.? Send news about possible change of Ashrama! Photo of fiancee!

 grateful for his attention his disciple Vrajendra Kumara Das

Worship of Acharya is best!

3 months ago by sacsingh in Hot Topics

It might be a possibility or most likely is a fact that an institutional guru which the GBC HAS voted in as an INSTITUTIONAL ISKCON guru IS BOGUS!

HpS - Oink! Oink!!!! As far as I know the last GBC rule was that they were not voting anybody as Guru. They were just giving a non-objection statement.

..... The rest of this letter was too, too, long for us!! First thing for me is: Are you taking Srila Prabhupada as your Acharya? If yes, then are you chanting 16-nice rounds daily and following the four regulative principles strictly...

Banana llama

3 months, 1 week ago by Parasurama Avatar Das in Hot Topics

Dejar Guru Maharaja

Please accept our humble obeisances 


Hare Krsna Gurudev 


Hoping that you are very good, I'm sorry to send you this urgent letter, but the situation warrants.


For a while now, I have been accused of situations that are missing the truth and that involve other devotees.


I am acussed of many things, but the last one is the most serious. A spiritual brother accuses me that he witnessed an aggression made by me towards you. He did it publicly through Facebook in the context of an accusation for domestic violence made by an ex devotee to her ex-husband. There was not exist any relation between that story and I, but I was accused of hitting you in the stomach. Several devotees gave credit to this accusation, which is generating an atmosphere of aversion and very great confusion. It hurts me to have to take your time in something so pointless, but on the advice of some devotees, I felt it was necessary to at least deny those sayings first than any other.


Hoping for your understanding and always grateful for your infinite patience and mercy. Your servant

Parasurama Avatar das

HpS - AGTSP Really, really, strange. You have not even been verbally or even mentally contrary to me. Really strange.

Parasurama Das never hit HpSwami in the stomach. 😐

Rather he has offered such very nice service that we can only feel indebted to him.

ISKCON GURU BUSINESS CONTINUED..

4 months, 1 week ago by sacsingh in Special Category B, Hot Topics

Hare Krishna, ISKCON being a multi guru association we have multi guru opinion and conclusions.

ASA - Yes. The Six Goswami's would meet and discuss philosophy, strategy, no?

Some say the initiation must be done by a liberated soul, because only a liberated soul can take you back to Godhead. So who is doing the actual guidance? Srila Prabhupada or mantra guru is initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? 

ASA - From what I have heard, Prabhupada's comment was that taking iniation formally, and receiving instruction formally or informally from him directly of from his disciple was both fully potent. The candidate, by the mercy of God and his own effort, has to do the work of seeing if the disciple-guru is bona fide. Not to any great level. Just to a practical level for the current level of work. Eg. is this disciple qualified to teach me how to put on Tilak at this beginning level. O.K.??

And regarding the initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada this guru is all for it absorbing the RITVIKS!

ASA - What does "absorbing the RITVIKS" mean???! Sounds a little sinister?? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BYzI4NmVhNmItYzAzNC00ZTJmLWExMjAtMjBjN2VjYWVmMDQwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzAxNjg3MjQ%40._V1_UY268_CR5%2C0%2C182%2C268_AL_.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0063350%2F&docid=2VHr1sTf-EsPEM&tbnid=etfcCak0NsE4KM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ..i&w=182&h=268&bih=713&biw=1235&q=the%20night%20of%20the%20living%20dead&ved=0ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

Punjabi Warrior - https://youtu.be/-bpdoMqzRAk

ASA - We started the video but is too slow for us. Can you just summarize in twenty words or less??

What is the diksa monkey gurus HPS opinion OR UNDERSTANDING? Is he taking disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and just acting as Siksa? Or HPS is a liberated soul and taking disciples as his disciples?

ASA - We answered in the Guru tattva link. We are basically basing our Guru tattva on NOI. At the end of Text Five, "In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises..." we understand that things can go on just as when Srila Prabhupada was here. In one letter I remember that is exactly what he suggested. We don't present ourselves as being any more liberated or qualified than Madhyama adhikari, second class devotee, so we give advice, Siksa, and perform the rituals, and accept disciples from that platform. We only accept people as disciples if they have personally accept Srila Prabhupada as an Uttama adhikari Guru.

As we know the history it was hard to get the beads to Srila Prabhupada while he was traveling so he authorized Jayatirtha, Brahmananda, Bhagavan et al to chant on the beads and Nitai or others were chosing the names often and recommendation from Temple President was enough for Prabhupada to accept someone as a disciple.

As far as I know Jayathirtha chanted on my beads, Bhakta Das recommended me for first initiation and Nita Das chose my name. Whose disciple am I. Ha! Ha! Ha Ray!!

Here are some videos of Sankirtan in Yuba City California where I try to distribute Srila Prabhupadas books to Punjabi’s and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWXwF78t9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

ASA - Really cool!!!! Photo of your self? Our fotos attached. Inside and out. Search for "Godbrother" on vedabase.io gives lot of nice instructions! Very nice videos!!!

And if I call a rubber stamped guru bogus because of having to sign a gag order of the GBC IS ok..🙏🏾


Did HPS sign a gag order that can be used against his guru license and can be suspended anytime?

HpS - ASA --- Hare Krsna. AGTSP.... Esteemed Sac Singh. Can we know a little more about you? Your questions seem to cover a lot of ground to give very specific answers.

Did you read our explanation of what is understanding of how we are giving initiation? It is at http://www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt . It is based on the NOI but I think it is quite complete enough for practical purposes.

O.K.?

I don't have the connection to look at the videos!!

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We have met in Sacramento and Berkeley. Currently I am studying the Iskcon Guru's business system of initiations which are confusing as hell, because each guru has a different understanding and the GBC police is making GURU's sign gag orders and they can suspend an ISKCON guru licence and ban, so the rubber stamped ISKCON GURUS are under the subjection of the GBC and not free to speak or act against a system which is not proper.

ASA - I didn't have to sign and "gag order" that I know of? I explain things as I understand them here and get some reactions, but not threat of annhiliation. For sure Krsna ksetra Das and I have similar ideas. With Jayapataka Swami of course we have variety but I personally asked him in class about six years ago if one had to be an Acharya with a BIG "A" to be a Guru in ISKCON and he said, no? The big A was Krsna's perogative.

After reading that guru tattva page. It seems two people are initiating. One is HPS and the other is Srila Prabhupada? So Srila Prabhupada is taking the initiate back to Godhead according to the article on this website! If Srila Prabhupada is taking HPS and HPS's disciples back to Godhead, it would mean HPS is unqualified to take you back to Godhead!

HpS - Reading and reading and then discussing with Harvard Oxford Scholars, Hrdayananda Goswami and Radhika-ramana Das they said the same thing that I concluded. We are not a ritualistic Sampradaya, Diksa Sampradaya. Our line passes through Siksa. So, I take that I am a Diksa guru because I "initiate according to the regulations of the śāstras", CC Madhya 8.128, and this is done under a system accepted by Srila Prabhupada. As long as a Madhyama Adhikari guru is following an Uttama Adhikari guru. we can follow him, no? Get Srila Prabhupada from his books, paramatma, other disciples etc!!!!

Why even bother with HPS formal initiation, why not take shelter of Srila Prabhupada directly ? Why doesn't HPS give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and say you take Srila Prabhupada as your guru because he is taking you back to Godhead, I HPS am just doing a formal duty to connect you to the Acharya.

HpS - We have explained our ideas on this above. Why not boy and girl just exchange garlands, and accept they are married? Seems O.K. in some situations.

This doesn't make sense..the initiating GURU (HPS) is not fit to take you back to godhead but he is initiating and saying Srila Prabhupada is going to take you back to Godhead.

HpS - Rather seems quite clear to me and hope the same to those who I am initiating. Just as Bhakta Das did the ceremony and recommended me and Jayatirtha Chanted on my beads. Krsna is God. Srila Prabhupada is our Guru as Founder Acharya and from those two perspectives we can have practical understanding how others in ISKCON represent Srila Prabhupada. You are working as Siksa guru in the videos. Why not just put the books there and walk away. (Pretty fiendish argument, no?)

IF HPS acts as siksa guru and sets an ideal example and you take a vow to chant Hare Krishna - 16 rounds and regulative principles, you don't need HPS but HPS can act as Siksa or a conduit of connection to Srila Prabhupada the Acharya.

HpS ._. Answered above, no? We are not opposed to people having as much direct relationship as they can with Srila Prabhupada. We are just trying to act as one channel. If that involves be a link in the formality of initiation. O.K. If that involves explaining the books O.K. but our only desire is to just be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupad and Krsna.

Right now I am reading Srila Prabhupada's dialectic spiritualism, an awesome read where he defeats bogus western systems of thinking etc.

HpS - We base like 90% of our current preaching on his las comment on Carl Jung. We are finding a really vibrant community to approach for communication Rupa Siksa.

Our "first disciple", Raktaka Das, was from Fazilka, District Ferozpur. We, he, had a very clear, practical understanding or our relationship with each other, other ISKCON devotees Guru nanak and Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your time. Has been very nice conversation. Maybe if we go anyfurther we can reset the history and just start with new questions and answers.