Hare Krsna Maharaj, Pamho, AgtSP
You are the one person, because of which, are hanging on Hare Krsna movement. Hence your opinion matters to us most.
HpS - Not, to joke, you are a very, very central example for us of determination. You face such challenges, but you don't give up.
We wrote broken record as subject, as this has been in our mind for many years>>
We hear from many people that Srila Prabhupada's sister was married to strange man. She was elevated devotee, but still she decided to cook meat for him. can you please give your comments on that ? -- we are asking you because we keep hearing from you save yourself first.. this action of her seems to be contrary to that.
similarly, when its other way around, for man , is has been adviced to us by three counsellors to follow illicit sex. one of them even say he follows it, he is second intiated devotee and his wife not interesed in ultimate goal of life. we have heard in one public/recorded seminar of chowpatty, illicit sex is unfavorable but not having it mainer times disastorous for family life.
one more female authority (a big shot) illicit sex
" My understanding of the "bottom line" of illicit sex in grhastha life is: only with husband/wife without chemical or mechanical means to avoid pregnancy normal sexual relations (right organ with the right object, as the Buddhists say) with an attitude of offering to Krsna one's body, one's emotional relationship with the spouse and any children that result accepting physical and emotional pleasure as the Lord's mercy to be a brahmacari-grhastha one would also limit sex to the days in the month when the woman is fertile"
we have some how convinced now, that there are some or may be many, first/ second intiated devotees of almost all intiating gurus they indulge in illicit sex (not for procreation), it happens even when both husband and wife are intiated....
seeing both cases one of no meat eating and no illicit sex. whats your opinion on family life and four rules.. esp when once you said four rules are not themselves spiritual.
HpS - AGTSP! This is bizaare. Just five minutes ago I got a letter from a devotee in Germany who has been under weight for over a year. His doctor told him that he may die if he continues vegetarian diet. He asked me about eating some meat to put on weight:
We wrote: [10:48:26 AM] hp swami: It is a difficult question. In one Purport Prabhupada says that if the cows are being given enough grains, but at not producing milk and people are starving, then it is lamentable, but you CAN kill the cows to feed starving people.
[10:48:45 AM] hp swami: He doesn't say that you MUST kill the cows.
[10:51:19 AM] hp swami: So, one aspect is that you can make the choice, and tell your doctor, that I have decided that I will not kill a cow (pig, sheep (chicken(fish))) so that I can live. I would rather let my life go than kill them. Of course, I have written what I understand is the hierarchy above of how much suffering is being inflicted: child>cow> sheep/pig> chicken> fish> plants
[10:52:49 AM] hp swami: As far as I know there is just as much protein in beans, milk; and oils in those sources. It may be more expensive because there is subsidy to the meat industry, but it is there. Are you getting lots of cheese and strong beans every day?
[10:53:49 AM] hp swami: Meat is less digestible as far as I know also.
We have never heard Prabhupada say that Pisima cooked chicken or goat for her husband. Sometimes a Muslim cook is hired or the whole process goes on outside the house.
In over 10,000 pages of written communication from Prabhupada in his most intimate condition, we have read Prabhupada repeatedly say that all of his initiated disciples must chant 16-nice rounds daily and follow the four principles strictly. It does not mean that he won't try to be Vartmana pradarsika guru for you, get you back, or, for the first time, onto the path, but he is not your Diksa-guru until you are followning. We "can hardly expect him to come back for us if we don't sincerely follow his orders given at the time of iniation". Orders that he knows we can follow eventually and Krsna will help.
These are quotes.
In the beginning Marijuana may help you realize the mental platform above the gross physical platform, but later it is poison. In the beginning, giving unatural sex, receiving, may be a show of love, like giving excess candy to children who demand it, and then suffer diabetes attack.
Even as an institution, there is direct GBC statement with, as far as I know, not one dissenting vote, that anything other than sex between married couple during wife's time of conception, after chanting. 50-rounds is conducted in the mode of ignorance and there will stupid results, in larger or lesser degree.
If you engage a woman or let her engage in illicit sex, just to relieve tension in the body, pleasure, then she will be FORCED to experience just the same amount of pain, and you will her here screaming, moaning in just as much PAIN as there was PLEASURE.
This world is duality.
..and she will NOT be able to pull her mind away from the pain. The Bhagavatam says that one who engages women in illicit sex is a torturer of women.
]]-But it will save the marriage.
That is not a "marriage". It is an agreement between a prostitute and her client. [[Let us call it a cortesan and her lover.]]
]]-But it will save the children.
From what? If the wife leaves and gets a long-term 'contract' with a "lover", "marriage", then in the end the children will know, KNOW, K N O W, the message my father and mother gave me. My father upheld the standard and he's happy. My Mom was a little bit too weak, so she divorced, found a like minded Dude. They fornicate 3.2 times/week (USA standard 1965), fight, but keep it to that, and now at 65 my mom smokes, drinks a little, shares the house with my father and watches television.
That is how we understand the situation.
100% it is your sincerity and your relation with Krsna. If that is there then maybe you have to break 25,000 regulative principles (for Brahmanas) and become a bacteria and copulate with your entire body, but Krsna will be closer to you, the amoeba, than an insincere Brahmana (like us).
O.K???? Thank you so much for your news of so called Senior devotees who are . . .
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