Letters to the editor

Hare Krsna, Bwanas and Bwanis!
AGTSP!!!!!  Paoho...    Follows our letter to the Jung, Kundalini Yoga, Peru Symposium, circle:

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!

Esteemed Psychologists, Philosophers, Psychiatrists, Historians et al.
We salute you from Monterrey, Mexico. We came here for a traditional boat festival, Jala-yatra, and we are leaving for a mountain excursion with about 45-members in 1-1/2 hours. It is 6.310AM.

We were contemplating Dr. Eduardo's comments after the 1st Jung lecture, about the necessity of not dumping our human habits such as smoking and becoming too spiritual.

Then we did our regulated reading, this 2nd lecture on Kundalini Yoga, and it seems to address very much Dr. Eduardo's concern.

We have to translate some of the terms that Jung uses, such as impersonal consciousness, free from ego, to match our Bhagavata model, but he seems to be talking about the same levels of evolution of consciousness.

Earlier he was talking about sthula, suksma and para bodies, and said the sthula and suksma were understandable to him, but the para was a 'mist'. We would feel that by a little effort in this Bhagavata tradition, yoga, under able guidance we can have some experience of these higher chakras and the mist would begin to disappear. Of course this para plane can be experienced by so many methods.

Who agrees with Dr. Jung's realization of what is happening as described in the evolution of Kundalini to different levels?

As I said above, his realization seems to be pretty much direct experience of what he is describing so far if looked at from the Bhagavata description.

I would try to give a simple response to Dr. Eduardo's comments that seem to be discussed here by Dr. Jung's also, that we should not artificially try to jump up, but experience properly why we smoke at our level, but as we evolve, then the smoking is seen in it's subtle, more pure, more delightful, less contaminating form.

What are contaminations? The first I would say is death. Death is an unnatural thing for us. We should not lose consciousness when we are in the state between bodies, and in the next physical body we should have access to previous projects, knowledge, associates.

I would say that the Kundalini Yoga Sutras that Jung was dealing with, were probably not practical for Europeans at that time and neither now, but it is possible to develop a Yoga or Religion which would allow the Nation of Peru to progressively rise up, for the 'gods' to again become active.

Of course, we write this with a lot of smiles and hope for responses from a lot of people.

We are humbly including Prof. Dr. Samaresh Bandyopadhyay in this dialog. He is our old friend, adviser and very senior professor from Calcutta University. I would also suggest that at some point we can try to get in contact with Shonu Shyamdasani. He has such a ton of Jung's letters, writings etc. like these Kundalini lectures and related documents, that can each be researched and published. Specifically, for us Jung's trip to India seems of the most value for our efforts to create a bridge between the Orient and the Occident, and so I would hope to influence him to turn his considerable academic attention those days rather than many other topics.

Thank you.

See you in a few days.

Hare Krsna Gurudeva

Please, accept my humble obeisances

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

I hope you are in good health and that your proyects are going as expected.

HpS - ASA - So nice to hear from you. AGTSP. Please see the Kapi Dhvaja with answer to the above hopes.

We are very happy to have you for these weeks and more happy to serve you. Regarding this issue, we consult on your stay in Chosica. Prabhu Chaitanya Chandrodaya offers a space in his home. It is very comfortable and nice, but a bit further away from the temple. On the other hand, at Kanu Pandit Prabhu you can also stay, it is closer to the temple. Also, I live 80 feet away and that allows me to serve you in a better.You decide, please.

HpS - I think Kanu pandita's house is fine, no??

During the last week I was cooking for Bhakti Bhusana Swami Maharaj and was a wonderful experience to be close to Maharaja and able to talk with him and listen to his lectures and accompany him in his walks and other activities.Maharaja have much knowledge and is impeccable in his behavior. It has been a great lesson for me. I continue to study the Bhakti-Sastri, very impressed with the Bhagavad Gita. I read the text twice before studying it but this time I discover and understand some points that were missed before. The BG impresses me by its force. Possibly it lacks the philosophical depth of the SB but is like a handgun: short, precise, and is the Lord's spell. I don't leave my amazement. I have two questions for you, Gurumaharaja.

HpS - ASA --- It is interesting. Seems we have BG As It Is. This is different thatn BG. This is Srila Prabhpada's illumination which includes perspective from SB and even CC!

What is the difference between the pantheistic perception of Brahman and the omniscient perception of the Lord of a pure devotee?

HpS - ASA - As we know, Professor Alfred North Whitehead. Santana Professor of Philosophy at Harvard University said that there is no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate the present. We have remembered that when in great provblems. That is Sat and Cit, no? In Brahman we realize there is a reality. Then in Pantheism, Virat rupa, Paramatma we begin to see form of this eternal reality. For example we realize that our body, name, job are all Asat, Nir-brahman. They are not eternal, but Masculinity and Femenity are eternal. Siva Pravati, Laksmi Narayana, Radha Krsna are all eternal.

O.K?   A devotee see, "premanjan churita bhakti vilokayena..." he sees reality as the effulgence of Krsna. Presence of the King in the Kingdom. He sees the paramatama, hand of God, as Krsna's hand.

What is the difference between following the footsteps of a pure devotee and imitate him? Srila Prabhupada raises the importance of not confusing these concepts but sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference, at least in my level of progress.

HpS - Imitating Srila Prabhupada is trying to be the Acharya of our Sampradaya immediately. Sit on a big seat, receive big worship and gifts. Following in the footsteps is to follow the path that Srila Prabhupada took to get to the positon of Sampradaya Acharya. You act like he acted when he was in your level of existence. He set an example. Made a path.

Thank you in advance for your answers. See you soon Your servant

HpS - ASA --- Thank you.

AGTSP Paoho

Follows letter from/to Raghava and Sananda who have transcribed two of the NOI lectures.

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From: Raghava Pandit Das (HPS) <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:52 AM
Subject: Transcript NOI 1.4

Dear Gurudeva,
Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Attached is the transcription of noi 1.4, which i earlier also dropped 
in a Skype message. I'm not sure if you received it there. If you have 
any more to transcribe, please let me know. It's a getting increasingly 
busy with my wife's delivery coming up, but since i use a transcribing 
tool, it goes pretty fast. Thank you, there were two points in this 
particular lecture that i took to heart; about the Mary See's sweet 
shops, which is recognizable, and about how no guilty conscience but see 
how Paramatma is correcting. Thank you very much.

Your servant,
Raghava Pandit das
 

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HpS - ASA --- Answer

AGTSP,

paoho

Thank you both so much for this work.

We will look at the transcriptions and then we can go ahead with more work if everything is in order.

There are 10s of thousands of books, but if we can illuminate Srila Prabhupada's books then the world will receive much needed illumination.

We were very, very satisfied to dictate the After-words. Let us see if they appear to have any value when we see them transcribed.

Hare Krsna!!

Esteemed Professor Samaresh Bandyopadhyay,

We continue in a delightful battle with our energy resources and try to establish priorities very well.

Now that the Houston Education Conference is so close we are basically giving up on organizing anything and letting it go ahead now under its own steam.

This is practical too because this Peru Jung/India symposium is coming up very quickly.

After considering everything I have suggested to the scholars participating that we read the Jung-Kundalini Lectures as a basis for dialog and discussion. Here is the first letter we have sent to them:

Hare Krsna!

[2:39:01 PM] hp swami: We have just finished re-reading the Preface and Introduction to the Kundalini Lectures by Jung up to the section on Willhelm Hauer. Again, they are so stimulating for us.

[2:41:21 PM] hp swami: 1. I feel that we are very fortunate to have the scholarship of Shonu Shyamdasi and that he echoes what to us is one Jung's greatest gifts: Rigorous, thorough scholarship, combined with practical investigation, moral values and a good sense of humour and passion for one's own views without becoming proud and arrogant.

[2:42:35 PM] hp swami: 2. The content included in the Preface and Introduction so far is enormous. So many things upon with we could comment from our experiences and investigation. This brings us to the question why are we organizing these Seminars?

[2:44:07 PM] hp swami: We would say one principle reason is to free people from lust, anger, greed, fear, death, to let them taste immortality and investigate aspects of their immortal nature that are not even mentioned in their common education.

Dear Guru Maharaja, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
You wrote:

"We work pretty hard. Many, many times we feel that the ambience is dull and we push to raise it, to make the Sankirtan ecstatic."

Please, can you kindly tell the details of how you achieve that. How do you push it?

Also, you wrote that you are subjected to emotional attacks. What does that mean and how you deal with them?

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Your servant Namacarya das

HpS - AGTSP.  paoho.   AMBIENCE TO ECSTACY: Just increase the amount, intensity and intellectual quality of the ambient sound. Some Sunday feast lecture, you go on for 20-minutes and ask for questions and there are none. Then you go on with more effort for 20 more minutes, then 20 more and then people begin to hear what you are saying and how it relates to them and they ask questions, make comments, think, feel that they want to do something.

We have to listen to whatever life, enthusiasm, passion people have and then relate to that. That may take years.

Emotional attacks: Usually our stomach is exhausted or our waist. We become "depressed". The energy goes down. Our thoughts follow the Prana. We want to eat for our stomach, not for our heart. Our future (of eating and honor) looks dark. Usually we can just force a smile on our face and immediately we "feel" happy enthusiastic. It is that shallow, our sadness and happiness. .. but the atificial "bump" is supported by good intelligence from the years of Sastric contact and so it isnt dealt with sarcastically by the mind.

Smile... "We can be HAPPY!"

Mind, cynical, "Yeah, sure, give me one good reason".

For the Vikarmis there are no good reasons, but an ISKCON Brahmana has so many reasons from the Krsna book. The biggest depression is death, no? We have to go deeper and deeper in our energy sources.

Hare Krsna

AGTSP

All glories to you guru dev

Hope your health be fine.

HpS - Imagine what your body will be like at 67 years old and expecting complete collapse in nine years. Ha! Ha! Hare!

we still alive, 35% Krsna consciousness 30% karma consciousness 35%  maya consciousness.

we are organizing a study group all the tuesday with the local devotees and we started with the NOI. we have kirtan, japa, conversation about the book and prasadam.

 we are opening  with local devotees a preaching center in these área where we live. in Villa GIargino (Cordoba) one of them rent a house and he live there and distribute Prasadam. The name of the preaching center is Jaipur “centro bhakti yoga”.

The idea is to have a Holistic Therapy center but for now all the thursday we have Bhagavad gita clases and two sunday per month sunday feast.

First of all our idea is to improve the sadhana of the devotees who participate in the proyect, have a better japa, cultivation of knowledge through the regular study of Srila Prabhupada books. i need to improve all of these pilars of the spiritual life (sadhana, study and contemplation).

we still here building a house with sticks, wood , stones and mud.

Vrsabhanu Nandini  and i were tolking with Abhirama prabhu from peru about the possibility to go to peru to participate in the programs there in August. we are following the plan of Abhirama Thakurji to arrange everything to go peru. He say it s 95% confirm. hope we can be usefull in your Sankirtan.

Here i send a link with the NOI movie in youtube. then we will add the subtitle in spanish.

Everything that you see, or think that we can correct we can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH_gIifmpio

thank you guru dev. your servant Ambarisa das

HpS AGTSP paoho. We will look at it!!!   Why not use the Krsna book instead of BG?   Print chapters with 14 pt type. That was the size of Srila Prabhupada's original and was very different reading it.