Letters to the editor

HpS/ ASA - AgtSP.

Paoho.

We expressed our understanding of an the administrative conflict in the Peru Yatra, and we received a comment from one devotee, edited, as follows. It seems long and complex so our readers who do not have some Ksatriya character in their service may chose not to read it.

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Hare Krsna, Maha-raja, I just read https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/14537/.

It is all wrong.

You did not even need the letter cause I explained exactly what it said, and what happened.

HpS - I guess that was what you sent us on WhatsApp after I explained that as a Sannyasi that anything about money, politics, and women, was subject to public sharing. You commented that you didn't want what you had said shared, so I erased what you had sent me without looking at it.

In the above mentioned post we tried again to make it very clear that in these situations we are acting like Vyasadeva, not Bhisma. As commented there, all things sent to us are for public discussion. 😃

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You again are presenting this as a misunderstanding, when it was a gross blasphemy that it seems that for some strange reason you are not willing to accept.

HpS - Going to the lotus feet of Krsna, Canto One, Chapter Sixteen, "How Parīkṣit Received the Age of Kali", we find that Kali is beating the Bull Dharma, but he keeps a broad perspective on the problem. Maharaja Pariksit thanks him for that and then turns with a pragmatic, kingly, glance at Kali and raises his sword to cut his head of. So, again, thank us for being Sannyasis, then act like a pragmatic Ksatriya if you thing that is correct!

So, here you have the straight forward facts, admitted by Manonath P, Gita Govinda P. Abhiram P, Kavidatta P, and even those who were also accused with Ganga, like Payonidhi P., Ompuran P and Yamunesvara P.

So, you have the perogative of not participating at all, but if you do by making comments, you need to be well informed, and not just taking the word of the culprit and whoever is protecting her. Otherwise, you are putting some of your intelligent disciples in a very difficult position because they know and their guru doesn´t. We are talking always about proven facts.

HpS - As we said in the post, what we presented was what we heard from Sriman Abhirama thakura Das and our own participation at that time. I did not, do not, present it as full, detailed, legal, evidence, but as one rather informed perspective.

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We wrote the above yesterday or so. We are trying to be responsible in these institutional dealings according to our age, nature, ability; and feel distressed that we cannot take more focus on this, but we had to go to breakfast program, full morning program in the Temple, midday program at the Gosala and Yoga Center, Sunday Feast and several really priority individual calls etc. 🙂

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Please read carefully about these facts.

HpS - The word 'facts' is a heavy word for us! I don't take my testimony nor others as 100% 'facts', but certainly respect and act on them. Judge testimony in terms of NoI ie Karmis, Jnanis, Bhaktas by class 3, 2, 1!

Jaya!

This is part of my testimony to Hansarupa P.:

This happened in 2012, when a group of devotees presented and accusation against the ISKCON Peru board of directors, which included:

Fraud in the administration of legal persons, illicit enrichment, and against public faith. Falsification of documents to the detriment of the International Association for Krishna Consciousness. 

There were at least 3 forged signatures in the document of the election of the board of directors, and some of those who signed were cheated being told that their signatures were meant for a different purpose. As a result of this fraudulent election, Gangamayi took office from which she carried out actions that seriously harmed the interests of the institution.

When the investigator asked those who presented the case, who was in charge of the institution at the time the properties were purchased, and the main businesses started, my name came up, so I got a police summons to appear as a witness.

At that time, I was not even aware that there was a complaint, a judicial case taking place.

During the interrogation I told the officer that I couldn't say anything regarding the present situation because I was not actively participating within the institution. He then asked me simple questions regarding my administration. When he was printing my declaration, I asked him what was this all about, and he gave me the details of the accusations, and told me that it was a very serious case.

Back home I informed one of the members of this board about what I experienced at the police station, and after a week someone resent me a message that Ganga sent to the GBCs and sannyasis related to ISKCON Peru, although many devotees also ended up getting it. In this letter there was this accusation against me:

“There is also something very important to add, and that is that our devotees that have testified, such as: Payonidhi Prabhu (ACBSP) and Mother Gangamayi dd were surprised to find that Daru Krishna dasa has come forward as a voluntary witness against the Society. He has testified to the Police concerning ISKCON’s internal fiscal policies, apart from ISKCON’s history of child abuse, thousands of dollars sent illegally from outside Peru, fictitious documentation of properties in names of individual devotees, etc. The accounting records which were not being done appropriately, even at that time, we are being informed have to be revised and presented on an institutional level. We ask for your cooperation to help us overcome this difficult obstacle any way possible. We ask you also to please send us a reply, suggestions, advice or questions. We really require your blessings so that this will be finished as quickly as possible. We also request that this information and letter be accepted confidentially, not allowing it to be circulated amongst the general population of devotees, rather only to older competent devotees”.

HpS - We definitely have no memory of reading this. We testify that if we got this we would have taken some action. It is so intense. If we were in your position as we understand it we would have been like Arjuna receiving news of Abhimanyu's death.

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This time Gita-govinda sent us copies of the letters he and others were sending to GBC, Hansarupa Das et al (long and in complicated Spanish) and we acknowledged and gave what advice we could in response.

We did a very thorough investigation of accusations against Mataji a few years ago and sent a call out on the ISKCON Peru general communication link, Facebook?, for any formal accusations.

No one.

No one.

No one.

Wrote to us.

We asked people, did you get this request? You have made informal accusations to us about this situation? They said, "Yes... but... ..... to difficult....".

So we... WE... W E ... made two accusations about things that we knew from the investigation. She gave defenses which even included sanction by the National Council and GBC Secretary JayaPataka Maharaja.

We could not contact Maharaja to confirm his participation and so we submitted our report to the Latin American GBC body, and within maybe three days Maharaja contacted us and confirmed M. Ganga mayi Devi Dasi' defense about National Council and GBC approvals, but commented that of course, he was not God and could not see everything everyone was doing, and that she might be engaged in incredible sinister secret activities behind things, but nothing indicated that to him.

Now we have asked Karuna-krsna Das and Mathuresa Das to please give us Hansarupa Das's contact information so that if he wants to ask us about our GBC investigation etc he can.

So far we have not received that but will follow up with phone calls maybe tomorrow.

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Hard Work!

Gave Prabhupada headaches, but some necessary, no?

According to Chaturatma Das, who at that time was the secretary of the board and the person who sent the message by Ganga´s request, he didn't know that it was all a big lie.

The other signatories, with the exception of Gita Govinda, expressed in writing that they did not know its contents. A few days after the message was sent, the lawyer for the defendants got my statement, and everybody could see that there was not even a word in it of what was said in the message. So, Ganga, who was the person in charge of the main decisions in ISKCON Peru at that time, lied about the facts and fabricated a story to present herself as a victim, because it was not even true that I presented myself voluntarily. I was summoned by the police to testify as a witness and had no choice but to go.

(their lawyer got my declaration 2 weeks after she sent this letter, and of course nothing of which she accused me of saying to the investigator, was found here. This was not a "mistake" or a "misunderstanding", but a gross false accusation trying to use me as a scape goat).

HpS - As you are presenting it. It certainly requires comments from Smt. Gangamayi Devi Dasi or others.

In one Maha-bharata after Bhima knocks down Duryodhana, he puts his foot on his neck and I guess was going to kill him. Yuddhisthira steps forward and touches him and says, "Bhima, he is our cousin and he was a King!". Bhima growls and lets him go.

Hmmm.

In Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, in Vrndavana, no one escapes Krsna and Rama's justice.

Today I was informed by the manager of Veda, the company that was renting the Miraflores house, that they were ready to pay 22,000 USD to ISKCON for several months of rent. After evaluating the loses caused by Gopal going to the municipality to denounce them, which meant closing their restaurant several times, they didn´t pay a penny. Yamuesvara as the legal representative, confirmed that Gopal was the person who did this, and because of this stupid actions ISKCON lost all this Lakshmi, something that will be reported to Hansarupa Prabhu.

The manager is willing to testify. Also, they installed a very expensive pump, that were selling, and Gopal refused to deliver it. He stole it from them. This demoniac family was stealing from Prabhupada´s mission since 1995, with the support of the GBC, and whoever had a leadership position in Peru, even until today.

HpS - Thank you. I have not had much dealing with Mataji. Some passing things here and there, and very cordial, devotional dealings at times. Thanks to her for that.

During the formal investigation we did, we went to Wilson. Personally looked at the bookkeeping, receipts, heard of the accounting she had done. Visited the center they had for Jagannatha in ??? San Borjes. Listened to her and Yamunesvara Das' comments on the situation.

Went to a lawyer with Caturatma and Karuna Das. (After which CAGD commented that based our our dealings with the lawyer, we were geniuses [Thank you. AgtSP].

Etc. Etc. Etc.

We have been Head Pujari, Treasurer, Zonal Legal Officer, President x 3 etc. Then we ordered to take Sannyasa and now we are practically expecting to leave this body withing the next year.

We feel that it is still our duty to be involved to some degree in management and money but more than that in constant chanting of the Holy Names, and encouraging, declaring that this is the basis of ISKCON.

As we said before. Unless we chant with administrators, accept their invitations to their Kirtan, and they accept ours, then really we cannot judge their administrative service very much nor have strong faith in their "facts". This is also true of the cooks, no?

Thank you.

It is 5.58PM.

Our stomach ache has moved up to our heart and maybe should send this now before we die.

Will go to the Gaura arati and classes afterwards.

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Hope to see some posts about the good news we hear of your Sankirtan here!

6.12PM After posting this [before we died 😆] we have reread it and edited it a little bit.

Again thank you.

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Hare Krishna, Guru Maharaja

Accept my respectful Reverences

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

All Glories to your incredible service.

I hope that our Lord keeps your health, eyesight, ears, skin well, have you been able to go to a doctor, with the company of a devotee? Has the doctor made any recommendations for care?

HpS - AgtSP! We went to the skin, eye, ear... doctors for our annual check-up. They all said that we can make it for one more year withour hearing aid, surgery etc and that for our age we are in top 10-15% of health, but body is getting old.

Why hang on to an old body when you next one should be good?

Let's all die soon and go to Nimai in Nadiya! With Srila Prabhupada!!!

We are blessed to have your partnership always available, we just have to strive to take it 🙏🏻

Responding to the previous letter and questions that arose:

Did Sriman Lalita madhava Das go with us to Manipura one time?

✓Lalita Madhava das says, he has not yet had the mercy to travel with you to Manipur. His health has not been very good, problems with some spinal discs, he is going to a kinesiologist, that and some family problems make us very sad, for my part I try to contain him and give him space in his meditation.

HpS - Super! Thank you. All body problems are good friends for a devotee.

How long have you been on the Diksa community [Committee]?

✓I will complete 6 years of initiation in March 2024, and in September of this year I completed 2 years of Second initiation.

HpS - We thought you were on the Committee that was evaluating and helping candidates for initiation.

Did you make an arrangement with GBC et al for how long you would do it?

✓The truth is that we did not make any type of agreement on how long I would be in this service, since Prabhu Jagat-Guru offered me to be part of the Initiation Committee where there were mainly 4 members, of which 3 resigned after a month, leaving only me, Then we invited Prabhu Jagannatha Caran with whom we are currently performing the service.

HpS - Super! This is normal! Do not be surprised who goes (and returns) but be surprised who stays.

Our service flows, I have learned a lot in many aspects, putting them into practice is the difficult part, but I have the desire and attitude to improve.

Regarding the answer you gave to Prabhu Sadhubhusana of Manipur in his letter, which was closely related to the one I wrote to you, I read it, and I understand very well your instruction Guru Maharaja, perhaps there are times when we are not acting in the correct way. As you have said, participate as Ksatriya-Brahmana and get involved in what I can solve with the help of the Lord, He takes care of the rest.

Any news from, dreams of your father?

✓My father occasionally appears in my dreams, I always feel him so warm, his warm fatherly hug, it feels so real.

On the other hand, when my mother dreams about Him, she tells me that she always feels far away and that she feels as if He has already forgotten her. My mother then says, it must be because he is in a better place.

HpS - 😮 How could he forget her? She gave him a daughter like you and so many other things, no? A big mystery.

In Summary Guru Maharaja currently we continue with the initiation service and I have found it much more pleasant, we reviewed exams asking 3 brahmanas for help in their revision and together with Prabhu Jagannatha Caran, we notified the administrative Board of Iskcon Chile in which Prabhu is also Jagat-Guru, our president of Iskcon Chile, in this way the determination of whether the applicant is recommended or not is reached.

Many for all service and time

I say goodbye, your would-be servant.

Manjuali Devi Dasi

Santiago de Chile, Saturday December 9.

HpS - You are going to die in your position! That is a soldier, no? Die in their position with all the rest of the of the soldiers!

Don't leave. Don't deviate!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie

There must be something similar in Vedic world.



AgtSP!

Paoho/BW.

Since we are retiring more and more into Sannyasa, both by force of old age and personal effort, 🙂 we don't have too much Management activity to report.

Guess first thing is ISKCON Peru, then Houston and finally Nashville/NIOS.

1. PERU - There are two management, political, issues with which we are involved.

One continues from the Blog Post: https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/14459/ which is a response by H. G. Daru Krsna Das about criticism of his actions in the Yatra administration, and his critical perspective on actions of others.

I remember that we said that we would wait to see if anyone named in the Post would contact us with a Blog Post, but no one has.

Again, we feel it is an essential, and even for ISKCON, a challenging feature that fundamentally any communications with a Sannyasi about "dhanam, janam, sundarim" money, men and dealings with women be in community forums like this Blog.

Private groups of three or so devotees might be formed to deal with more confidential stuff, but ultimately we have heard from Trivikrama Swami, Abhirama Das, and so many of Srila Prabhupada's Secretaries that he was just the same behind doors about these things as he was in public. He was just the same in private as he was in his purports.

Personally, we do see, maybe 1/1000 times there are comments on morning walks where Prabhupada comments that what he is saying should of course not be said in a public forum.

Daru Krsna Das made this point nicely. Thank you.

However, during some informal communications, one point about the above cited Post was highlighted by two devotees.

As we understand the situation as such:

Hari-buddhi Das made a formal complaint to the Peruvian government that an Annual Meeting of ISKCON Peru corporation, which was supposed to have the members physically present to consider issues and vote even though declared as such never physically happened.

As a result the government sent notices to members of the Corporation that an investigation was going to take place and police would visit them to take their statements.

Abhirama Thakura Das visited H. G. Daru-krsna at that time and Daru Prabhu showed him a notification that he had received from the government that he would be contacted for his statement, and DKD commented that the investigation had started and that ArtD should take the notification that he, DKD, had received to Smt. Gangamayi Devi Dasi, who was the legal administrator of the Corporation at that time. Abhirama Th. Das made a copy of the notification and then gave it to Mataji.

Then, there was a shocking formal letter of denunciation from the Yatra Administration that DKD and Art Das had publicly denounced ISKCON Peru to the police. Which they had not done.

The letter of denunciation was apparently copied to us but we never, never, never saw a copy of it. If we had, we would have dealt with it in the manner we are dealing with the subject now.

[Informally we heard comments that Smt. Gangamayi Devi Dasi supposedly made to JPD and CMDD about giving a report to the police, sanctions from ISKCON if devotees did not cooperate with the Yatra administration in the police reports, and Latin American GBC confidential reactions.]

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Ooof! Hey! Surprise??? We are getting a headache?

Yet, when we do construction work we get a back ache. Some head ache, heart ache, is necessary part of our service, but has to be in proportion.

Politicians like Arjuna and Ramananda Raya and Sarva bhauma Bhattacarya and Maharaja Pariksit are designed and situated to engage in diplomatic dealings for Krsna.

We are Sudra, Brahmana, Brahmana, Brahmana. Almost no Ksatriya or Vaisya.

Arjuna and Duryodhana did not approach Vyasadeva to join the battle, but he was an essential part of the battle as a chronicle keeper.

So, that is the only addendum that we can to make to the above post.

Maybe everyone has good motives but there have been genuine misunderstandings. Maybe people have evil motives and secret dealings with money etc but from our position this is all we can say, and we chose to be happy in focusing on friendly or neutral dealings with everyone involved.

Of course we can receive any Posts that devotees want to make on these topics, but other than linking this post to DKD, ArtDas and Mathuresa Das at this point we are 99.99% finished with private discussions of the point.

[We asked Sripada Mathuresa Das to send us Hansarupa Das' contact info so we can just inform him that ourselves, Mathuresa and H. H. Bhakti sundara Swami made an investigation of this issue for the Latin American GBC some years ago, and that if he has any questions for us we can respond.]

The second point with Peru administration is with the decision by the National Council about Nadiya-nivasi Devi Dasi, based on complaints by Milan Ray. Seems that the issue was dealt with with a lot of care and effort, but as Diksa guru we were never informed, and there are a few points that we would need to discuss.

So far it has not moved ahead much and we just sent a follow up letter.

That is the way of administration.

NEVER EXPECT A PERFECT RESOLUTION IN THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE.

Get pragmatic results under Brahminical perspective and then get back to the Sankirtan. 🌴 🌴 🌴

1. Peru
2. Houston. Here there is practically speaking no conflict. We are organizing daily Temple participation with classes etc, the three festivals mentioned in the Calendar and developing our Campsite.
3. NASHVILLE/NIOS. We had very good 30-minute meeting with the President and Secretary of NIOS, both Board Members, yesterday and there will be a Special Meeting of the Corporation to make up for the lack of the Annual Meeting

🐵 See! These bureaucratic faults are in NIOS as well as Peru.

HpS is resigning from all NIOS projects and position and money accounts on January 12th which is 20th anniversary of NIOS and 76th birthday of his body, buddy, yet always available to serve in his geriatric condition.

There are proposals that Srinivasa Acharya Das become a Vice-president, Govinda pramodini Devi Das become Secretary and ArtD go on Board of Directors. Any suggestions from anyone else?

Thank you.

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Reread and edit...

3.09PM = 16-minutes.

We feel satisfied, that anyone with half a brain in their head can use this contribution in these issues.

Now we post this. Send link to others. Contact Srinivasa about calling annual meeting, Sadhu/Sri devi about organizing the 'Light of the Bhagavata' festival.

Check Whatsapp and Blog mail.

Go for walk - Gaura arati!

Hot milk and KRSNA book.

Thank you.

[12/9, 6:57 PM] ABC/DEF Dasi Dasa🙏👍Yes, we will be leaving on Monday, Jan 15th.

Today we went for two big harinam events … Alachua Xmas parade and High Springs parade… hundreds of people attend. The devotees for the day event … take Jaganath, Baladev, and Subhadra out on the chariot and got the night event we have Lord Chaitanya on a flat bed with devotees chanting … Books and prasad ( cookies and candies distribution as well as books. People are very favorable and are in the Xmas spirit

ASA - Sunday January 6? Is epiphany, day three sages from the East came to see baby Jesus with gifts.

Hare Krsna.

Hare krsna Dear Gurudeva!

Please accept my obeisances to your lotus feet🙏🏻🌹🌸

All glories To Srila Prabhupada!

All glories to Gurudeva!

Here I share my offering to baby Damodara! :

https://youtu.be/EVMZid0QRlw?si=vjpxmgzTcMrTqSog

HpS/ASA - 🐵 🐵 🐒 Very interesting! More! Big audience awaits singing and dancing from the spiritual platform.

I showed it to my deity of Ladhu gopal, to see if he liked it... apparently he didn't dislike it..😀😊 Please pray that Krsna accepts my offerings.

HpS/ASA - I guess if He didn't like it He would have run from the room and then you would have had to pursue Him with a cord.

trying to please him:

J.P. Radha dd.

HpS - Thank you.

Hoping Krsna sends you more and more and more Sankirtan partners under Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet.

Post-Thanksgiving November 24, 2023

Hare Bolo Maharaja!

please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Am submitting a commentary from a post face-book dialogue with a person disgruntled with ISKCON and they were targeting some specific devotees (?).

In repute, I felt some elaboration on the appearance of the situation versus the sources of agitation might bring some clarity. For your discretion and critique:

Welcome to Kali-Yuga, the age of quarrel and hypocrisy. Sadly, all humanity is in times of confusion and dishonesty. Even obvious solutions are confounded by perverse logic.

Also the Catholic church, Boy Scouts, Olympic Coaches, Private Schools, Uncle Bob... the list goes on in sexual abuses and other atrocities. We are in the worst-case scenario on this planet, add wholesale slaughter and exploitation of animals and we have a perfect storm of suffering.

The only solution to our dilemma is an understanding of the superficial layers of existence and maintaining a proper relationship with our Souls, though here's where vast opinions and methods get misconstrued.

The science of Self-Realization does work and does bring clarity. Getting the information from reliable sources is getting more difficult for as mentioned, this age is not conducive for such education. Regardless, as we are vigilant in defending, we also need to be vigilant from ignorance ascending.

Thank God there are people who pursue these virtues and are able to assist us. The others who are polluted will not help. As mentioned, the onslaught of offenses in many walks of life, committed within institutes we placed trust in is a blatant fact. Knowing this and arming ourselves with intelligence we may fight and conquer such demoniac mentalities.

The trick is in patience versus immediacy. The wheels of justice turn at their pace and karma is not always an immediate event, though it is eternal until neutralized with proper sacrifice. So, those, Saints, Gurus, and Spiritually Enlightened Leaders are all implicated in what we all are in, the Material World.

Place Faith from within to our own Souls, not others' chagrin of perception, for the Paramatma is with us directly and will supersede any external nonsense... now we must face our own nonsense and this is where we need trust in our Faith and those who are sincerely seeking and sharing theirs. (We especial try to focus on this! Thank you, HpS/ASA)

God is in control, give Thanks.

Some subtle cryptic sentences for the author who posted, hopefully, the subtle nuances might bring some future enlightenment. Trying to purge abusive confusions for persons with honest goals and all the while maintaining my meager clarity.

Looking forward to your association.

your servant in training,

|C.C.D.| Thank you.

ASA - Thank you.