Report NIMSAR for ASA (October) N# 1(little urgent)

Hare  Krsna SS Hanumat Presaka Swami,

PAMHO. AGTSP.

We feal that your health is not well. The deterioration of the body it is unavoidable all we pass through it. We pray to Krsna to improve your health .We have your good partnertship for longer.

Here our report:

1.-LAD continue teach course Disciple of ISKCON  in Chosica Temple. It is for 2 months.

2.-Karuna Krsna d (Secretary of National Council) said me he will write to you and answer his [YOUR] letter.(the letter send to National Council).

3.-We send a brief report of NIMSAR to SS Jayapataka Swami (by whatssap).

HpS - Do you know Atmananda Das and Divya-priya DD? He told me to work with them. I have exchanged letters with them one time and was very friendly and enlightened about situation in Peru.

4.-Talking with devotees authorities about education in ISKCON:

4.1 There is a confusion about of what they think that preaching is the same as education in the sense of that all students must become preachers. With this logic, therefore if there is not preacher is fault of NIMSAR or that we going to take preaching.

HpS - Preaching means teaching, but there are many ways to do it, no? Yad yad acarati srestha: For the common people the preaching is done by the twice born by there example. The mother explains things to her children. Yamaraja preaches to the Yamaduttas after they return for trying to arrest Ajamila. Scripture is the basis of all these things. The twice born Prabhupada wanted to have this Bhakti Sastri level, but for people who only take first initiation, they don't need to get this knowledge formally. They need to get it informally like through puppet shows and hearing discourses by the Brahmanas put into their language.

4.2.-They say Most of NIMSARs members hasn't lived in ashrama so they dont have certain about maturaty to teach.

HpS - Of course there will be so many personal opinions and we shoudl deal with them like that, no? Individidually and personally, but then as an institution we need to have public discussions, then make public statments and rules and regulations. It is the second class relationship, administrative, like Arjuna.

4.3.-There has not been a good  attitude for some members to authorities.

4.4.- Authorities need teachers for ashrama. And for this Karuna Krsna d give seminars for temple of Chosica y NIMSAR only courses.

HpS - We don't understand the grammar in this???

5.-Some good devotees have recommended that NIMSAR  is low profile for some time (coulb be to April).

6.-What requirements need NIMSAR for enroll in web of MED (Ministery of development of the education)????

HpS - MOE (the name has changed) has the Board of Examiners, and different Temples, ISKCON institutions, can be registered as Bh Sastri, Bh. Vaibhavi centers etc.  The information is on the web site. It is rather disorganized to my point of view, and I am a Member of the Executive Committee of the MOE: http://iskconeducation.org/category/schools/iskcon-board-of-examinations/

I would say that education in ISKCON is just as disorganized on the global level as it is in ISKCON Peru. So we have to each fly our own airplane: Understand what is the goal of education and how to achieve that, then do that as friends with others and then also work on developing it in our institutional roles. GBC Secretaries also have friends within the institution.

With afecction
NIMSAR team.

HpS - Thank you very much for your letters!!!     We seem to be making real progress!    Now to more mail!

aclaratoria urgente- Examinador BS-NIMSAR

HK PAOHO

Dear Gurumaharaja, this year will not come by December and is my month trip, supposedly?, but aimlessly, looking always have your association and be on your VP will see that proposals are presented. We are changing in our activities, I am now a full-time teacher until year end, except rehire me.

On the other hand, there is a tense atmosphere in NIMSAR not by the appointment of examiner, for you. I find that not our choice, but by the lack of empathy and transparency. While there are many projects and programs of studies continue, the administration is difficult. Sometimes information is omitted to board members, and decisions are made without consulting all members. So was my annoyance and I stated. At a meeting he was to give other proposals on the subject of the examiner. So I consulted P. Mathuresa who accepted. But everything is a proposal, rather than personal differences you may have with a devotee this, it sgte. these were my points:

The examiner must be a professor BS, and work with the team manager in coordination with other active teachers for preparing the question bank (as when we did with UD. Beautiful memories!)

You should also have the backing of force and irreproachable moral authorities, to teach, preach, administer, etc. bhakti example. and there are more insurance requirements under provisions of ISKCON.

Each group within an organization has a mood, ours is horizontal. No time imposes ideas, profession, etc. therefore there is a favorable environment. brahminical treatment is always sought, avoid politicking.

It is also important from my point of view not force relationships, or create tension within a group only on a whim, you. sometimes said to get along with some people from a distance and NIMSAR are few, and we are contributing ideas and actively participating in various projects, so the devotees asked to reconsider the situation.

Personally I consider that Ksatriya more Brahmana, I love the brahminical qualities and I have always avoided administrative positions, because to meditate I require an environment of kindness and my spiritual life I am selective in seeking my association. I talked to LAD these issues in detail, I present my concerns.

In the past Patraka mother Rohini and we correct tests, we do not correct exams our students, so it is good to be several Group three was a good number. I do not like the lack of objectivity in which this information is presented by the secretariat, also it was agreed previously, for my part have tried to maintain good relations with the different members of the group, but as things turned out I'm not very happy . You. Know the background of this issue and can enterder it is not easy for me, and although many courses is a shame the lack of empathy for the group, except for Candra Mukhi.

Sorry to bother him with these issues that are unique to NIMSAR, but it was necessary clarification, hopefully with his blessings are resolved for the good of the group.

Hari bolo!

His daughter who adores:

Yugala Kishora Dasi

HpS - Hare Krsna!  We cannot understand all of this letter from the Google translation., so we will try the Spanish now also.

HK PAOHO

Querido Gurumaharaja, este año no vendrá por diciembre y es mi mes de viaje,

HpS = Esperamos ir a Sud America ~15 Abril - ~15 May.   Y ir a Vrndavana 2024.

¿Supuestamente?, pero sin rumbo, siempre buscaba tener su asociación y estar en su VP,

HpS - Esta anyo es Mangala arati in Mexico y despues en el avion de a India!  Possible un festival de Vyasapuja en el avion at Paris!

 veremos que propuestas se presentan. Estamos cambiando en nuestras actividades, ahora soy profesora tiempo completo hasta fin de año, salvo me vuelvan a contratar.

HpS - ASA -- !!!!

Por otro lado, hay un clima tenso en NIMSAR no por el nombramiento de examinador,  por Ud.

HpS - Otra vez, es decision del GBC, Junta Nacional, pero Nimsar pero presentar su sugerencia. Pienso es un trabajo simple, burrocratico, lo cual muchos entre Vds puede hacer para un anyo, y despues otro puede hacer.

me entero que no nos corresponde la elección,

HpS - No entiendo esta frase??

sino por la falta de empatía y de transparencia.

Si bien es cierto que hay muchos proyectos y los programas de estudios continúan, la administración es difícil.  A veces se omite información a los miembros del directorio, y se toman decisiones sin consultar a todos los miembros. Por eso fue mi molestia y lo manifesté. En una reunión se quedó con dar otras propuestas sobre ese tema del examinador. Por eso consulté a P. Mathuresa quien aceptó. Pero todo es una propuesta, más que las diferencias personales que uno pueda tener con un devoto esta,  lo Sgte. estos fueron mis puntos:

El examinador debe ser profesor BS, y trabajar con el equipo administrador en coordinación con otros profesores activos para la elaboración del banco de preguntas, (como cuando lo hicimos con UD. ¡Hermosos recuerdos!)

Tambien debe tener el respaldo de autoridades vigentes y moral intachable, que enseñe, predique, administre, etc. el bhakti con el ejemplo. y seguro hay más requisitos según disposiciones de ISKCON.

HpS -  Ooof!   Hoy dia estamos muy cansado, y el cerebrio viajo. Es deficil para nosotros trata relacionar con estas puntos administrativas por internet, sino son simple!

Continuando con so progresso personal!  Desarolla su grupo de amigos devocionales y relacionar con los Instituciones de un manera instutucional (lo cual va a ser poco raro para una novicia rebelde!!)

Cual es la edad de sus muchachos??

Cada grupo dentro de una organización tiene un humor, el nuestro es horizontal. Nadie impone ideas por tiempo, profesión, etc. por ello hay un ambiente favorable. Se busca siempre tratos brahmínicos, evitar politiquería.

También es importante desde mi punto de vista no forzar relaciones, o crear tensión dentro de un grupo sólo por mero capricho, Ud. a veces decía que se lleva bien con algunas personas desde mucha distancia y en NIMSAR somos poquitos, y estamos aportando ideas y participando activamente en proyectos diversos, por eso pedía a los devotos que reconsideren la situación. 

En lo personal me considero más brahmana que Ksatriya, adoro las cualidades brahmínicas y siempre he evitado los puestos administrativos, porque para meditar requiero un ambiente de más bondad y para mi vida espiritual soy selectiva en buscar mi asociación. He hablado con LAD de estos temas al detalle, le presente mis preocupaciones. 

En el pasado con madre Rohini y Patraka corregimos exámenes, no corregimos exámenes de nuestros alumnos, por eso es bueno que sean varios los del Grupo, tres era un buen número. No me gusta la falta de objetividad en la que se presenta esta información por parte de secretaría, también eso se acordó previamente, por mi parte he procurado mantener buenas relaciones con los diferentes miembros del grupo, pero como se dieron las cosas no estoy muy contenta. Ud. conoce el fondo de este tema y puede enterder que no es nada fácil para mi, y a pesar de tantos cursos es una pena la falta de empatía por parte del grupo, a excepción de Candra Mukhi.

Lamento importunarlo con estos temas que son propios de NIMSAR, pero era necesario una aclaración, esperemos que con sus bendiciones se solucionen para el bien del grupo.

Hari bolo!

Su hija que lo adora:

Yugala Kishora Dasi

URGENTE DETERGENTE

Dear Gurumaharaja please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I am writing you from Chile with the intense desire to let you know about our service with our musical group "Krishna Sambandha". 

We are participating in a contest to play this year at the Music Festival "IF FIIs" in which an audience of 10 thousand people are expected. More than 1500 bands worldwide postulated for this event and Krishna Sambandha was among the 14 selected. We  need the support of all devotees so were are asking everyone to give a like on facebook via the following link: 

https://www.facebook.com/iFMusicOficial/posts/1158312567559155

We want to share the Maha Mantra Hare Krishna with thousands of souls along with a deep and sincere message of spiritual life and Krishna consciousness.

So we want to ask your blessings on this service because it is very important for all of us to receive them.

Without taking more of your time, I want to tell you that all devotees miss you a lot in Chile and they are sending their bows and affection to you. 

Thank you so much. 

with deep afection. 

your eternal servant, Abhimanyu Das

HpS - AGTSP! Paoho.  We hope everyone here in the Blog sends to the FaceBook and we will send this to our Yahoo Group in Tennessee and hope they send it to VNN, Pamho, etc!    We also miss being in Chile, walks on the Alameda, Kirtan.  See you in April!!!  Send news of your activities, your father!

Consultation of NIMSAR (little urgent) for ASA

Hare Krsna Maharaja.

PAMHO AGTSP

I hope your health is better,

HpS - Hare Krsna!! Actually will be getting worse all the time. Old age. Now sme little pain in the knees. Maybe they are going.  Many people getting artificial knee replacement here.  Maybe can's walk withour crutches soon.  O.K.  Just use this body to the end, then get ready for the next one Krsna sends.

Briefly I explain the following:

1.-NIMSAR proposed to Jiva sakti d as Examiner and Candramukhi dd as adminstrator, by consensus it seems a good choice, but Yugala dd is in disagrees that Jiva sakti d is the examiner. (although most agree with Jiva sakti d).

2.-She proposes to Mathuresh d as Examiner. It seems like a good proposal (although we do not have consulted others members).

3.-Yugala dd also wants to be aassistant of adminstrator. About this,  we do not consider it prudent, because test development should be confidential enough 2 people. Candramukhi dd is very qualified to do so. In these types of service it is very important to consider affinity character, Yugala dd is very Ksatrya only see one point, naturally she wants to lead, Candramukhi dd has other character .

There is a saying : "2 sun can not shine".  Teacher can give ideas, contributions but no prepare exams.

Sorry, that we consult this themes to you. I write to you by order to LAD and Yugala dd.

In others yatras as Argentina there are 10 Bhakti Sastri Examiners , maybe Jivasakti d and Mathuresh d could be both Examiners Bhakti Sastri.

Sri Nrsimhadeva protect you

with affection

Isvari dd.

HpS - We discussed this on the tele-conference on Sunday, no?   Was very nice.  Our points from there.

1. The decision of who is Examiner, Administrator, for Bhakti Sastri in Peru is the authority of the GBC and/or National Counsel if GBC wants that. Of course, Nimsar, ASA, could apply to also be an independent testing unit for Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, but still would need National approval to work in that nation.

So, NIMSAR at this point would only be making suggestions to the National Council.

2. The job is really a very technical job and I don't think Mathures Das would have the time or temperament for it.

3. Seem like everyone kind of comes to a consensus and then does the work for like one year and then after that re-evaluate.

4. Again it is not a very important post politically, we need some politics, more a technical post.

O.K?   Thank you for your interest. Please see the DTC for today.

Howdy

Dear Esteemed Maharaja

PAMHO   All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

The devotees are making plans to have instructional activities for children at our weekly programs.  They already have one source for materials/outlines, but would greatly appreciate your recommendations for what/where to find more information.

HpS - I will text you Subhra and Caitanya's phone number in  Houston. They have a very detailed program!!!    Very, very important service.   Could argue without a doubt that there is none more important.

We are doing fairly well considering what we have to work with.  Kalindi Devi Dasi is recovering very well from her surgery.  We resumed our neighborhood walks.   I don't have much to report, just wanted to say howdy.  Sorry to hear the govmint revenuers are complicating your day.

HpS - Well, it is not the IRS.  That is pretty simple.  It seems that maybe we are over-extended because there is no one to do a lot of the work that a Corporation requires, such as IRS reports, so we are considering the resources and moving ahead.

Just finished reading the Quran.  Very interesting, I will give you my impressions the next time I see you.   The writer of this translation was assassinated in a mosque in Pheonix in 1990.  It is speculated that his was the first al qaeda murder in the U.S.    Kali yuga, tsk,tsk.

HpS - Wow!   There is a version called "The Koran Interpreted", older, little classical. The author's thesis as we understand, was that it is correct, as the Koran says, the Koran not in Arabic is not the Koran. He explains that the potency of the Koran is not in the intellectual content, which might be translated, but in the emotional potency, that of course depends upon the original language of the writer. So he tries to communicate the emotion before precise detail of the intellectual content, which he doesn't fault, but makes the emotional impact the greatest. It was written for simple people in the desert, no?

Share food, don't have sex with your Mother, love God who is the most kind and sees us and cares for us.

We will be on the lookout for postings of your trip to Seattle.  I don't remember if I told you this, but we cannot take a long train ride.  We would have to fly to Seattle.  We look forward to taking shelter of your association.  Until that time I remain,

Your humble servant,  Dave prabhu

HpS - Jaya! Always nice to hear from you. The more the better. We have a regular communication with Srivasa Pandita Das now.  He told us of his visit to Sacramento and starting to establish more relations there.
Our respects to the Kalindi!  We Text phone numbers.