URGENT - Art and the Sacred Preparation: Indigenous Australian Contingent

Dear Maharaja,

 

PAMHO AGTSP

 

Hare Krishna!

 

This mail is with regards to Art and the Sacred, October 2018 Peru and your possible visit to Australia at the end of this year. I understand you are having difficulty with your eyes and screens so apologies for the long letter. If you prefer I can arrange all this with Abhirama prabhu. 

 

HpS - ASA --  'are Krsna!!!    We had just started work on this. We just bought our Lima ticket.

 - September 24(Mo) Houston (IAH) to Lima 4.30-11.00PM

 - 21 November return

Preparation

Two days ago my good wife and I spoke with Abhirama Prabhu (Lima) about Art and the Sacred 2018. The goal is to share Australian Indigenous art and culture with the intention connecting us to the sacred. For the last few weeks I have been thinking about it and at first I was feeling as though it would be good to find someone qualified whom has a background in indigenous art and culture, preferable was an indigenous descendant, and who had some experience in presentation. The indigenous people of Australia have a very strong code of respect and honor to their culture and their people and I feel a little lacking in qualification to carry such a serious presentation on behalf of indigenous persons. I located one indigenous devotee mother who told about a local lady who has the permission of the local indigenous elders to present the stories, the art and the philosophy of the land that I am raised on, the land where New Govardhana is situated. The lady’s name is Stella Wheildon and she has lectured in different locations of the world. I have looked at her web page “Star Lore” where she has developed fascinating and relevant presentations, which demonstrate how the indigenous art has embedded in it their myths of the creation of the land, of life and of the interconnectedness of man and nature. She makes some very interesting connections between indigenous myths matching up with sciences developing understanding of the evolution of earth and the cosmos. She also point out how the histories are written in the sky and they match up with the shapes and formations of the land, “Land, language and law are all linked and they link in each section to the stars”, says Stella. Until 1967 indigenous Australians were classified under flora and fauna and it wasn’t until the sophistication of their mythology was begun to be revealed that activists were able to get them human status. Heavy example of western imperial classification history . 

 

Stella Wheildon’s web page and youtube videos:

https://stellawheildon.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15SkW0fzcWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhf6flj46MM&t=19s

 

 

I can definitely see some similarities between other creation myths. Like for example before creation the earth was like a flat plain with no life forms and no land formations. But the creation gods lay in a dormant formless state in the earth before they rose and created life forms and shaped the land. They call their mythology “Dreamtime” and the dreamtime stories vary between tribes across the continent. On discussing what I learned with my wife she pointed out the similarities to Mama Ocllo and Manco Capac rising out of lake Titicaca to begin the Inca Creation Story. Another interesting thing I learnt was that it appears that distinctions are made between entities based on skin, so tribes, humans, animals, plants etc. Skin is another word for form. But what fills the skin is mostly water and the indigenous peoples spoke of how water arrives from outer space, which is an example of something later confirmed by science. They teach of the connections between pure water and pure consciousness and land that purify water are sacred lands, lands that are consciously and unconsciously coveted by humans from all around the world. For example this beautiful location of New Govardhan apparently has great water purifying crystals under the ancient extinct volcano that is rests upon and is a very sought after location for many, from all around the world, to come and live.

 

So originally this was my idea, to bring an expert to present these teachings. But I can see some difficulties arising from this plan such as, more flight and accommodation expenses and also more liaising services for extra guests. We could invite universities or government to sponsor and send someone but then my concern is that there are more parts to manage. The other possibility is that I myself bring some art a do a presentation. Although I am a firm believer in the “mukam karoti vachalam” verse and I am happy to accept the challenge, there are two hurdles to overcome if we take this path. The first is I’m just starting to research all this now so I am by no means a seasoned expert and second I’m not an indigenous descendant and I don’t want to risk offending the indigenous elders at all by misrepresenting them. One idea my wife and I had if we were to take this route is that I could approach some indigenous elders here and ask for their permission to make a presentation for the Art and the Sacred in Peru. 

 

HpS - Sounds very nice. Dhanesvari Devi Dasi and the whole family could go and ask permission to make a presentation. It could just be a video that they make. Bring some textiles, clothes for a dummy, small kangaroo.

 

 

Dhruva - Next I will provide a little indigenous Australian ontology and philosophy to give you and the devotees an idea of what it entails.

 

HpS - Awk!    We haven't got strenght for it now. It is 5.21PM. Gotta answer some other letters but...... please send it again.    We will leave it here for others to see. We skip to the end.    Next we should work on 'Solaris' the magazine. For that we would need an article from Australia.

 

A Brief Description of the Two Axioms 

 

The Land is the Law 

 

The land is a sacred entity, not property or real estate; it is the great mother of all humanity. The Dreaming is a combination of meaning (about life and all reality), and an action guide to living. The two most important kinds of relationship in life are, firstly, those between land and people and, secondly, those amongst people themselves, the second being always contingent upon the first. The land, and how we treat it, is what determines our human-ness. Because land is sacred and must be looked after, the relation between people and land becomes the template for society and social relations. Therefore all meaning comes from land. 

 

You are not alone in the world 

 

Aboriginal people have a kinship system which extends into land; this system was and still is organised into clans. One’s first loyalty is to one’s own clan group. It does not matter how Western and urbanised Aboriginal people have become, this kinship system never changes. (It has been damaged by, for example, cultural genocide/Stolen Children/westernisation etc, but has not been altered substantially.) Every clan group has its own Dreaming or explanation of existence. We believe that a person finds their individuality within the group. To behave as if you are a discrete entity or a conscious isolate is to limit yourself to being an observer in an observed world. 

 

 

A brief summary of indigenous Australian spirituality 

 

Aboriginal Spirituality derives from a philosophy that establishes the wholistic notion of the interconnectedness of the elements of the earth and the universe, animate and inanimate, whereby people, the plants and animals, landforms and celestial bodies are interrelated. These relations and the knowledge of how they are interconnected are expressed, and why it is important to keep all things in healthy interdependence is encoded, in sacred stories or myths. These creation stories describe the shaping and developing of the world as people know and experience it through the activities of powerful creator ancestors. These ancestors created order out of chaos, form out of formlessness, life out of lifelessness, and, as they did so, they established the ways in which all things should live in interconnectedness so as to maintain order and sustainability. The creation ancestors thus laid down not only the foundations of all life, but also what people had to do to maintain their part of this interdependence—the Law. The Law ensures that each person knows his or her connectedness and responsibilities for other people (their kin), for country (including watercourses, landforms, the species and the universe), and for their ongoing relationship with the ancestor spirits themselves. 

 

 

Which day to present indigenous Australian sacred art.

 

Currently we are contemplating which day to present. As I look at the themes I feel as though maybe day one is best suited. What do you think maharaja and esteemed devotees?

 

Day 1 Theme: Relations between art and the sacred 

Art as a way of transmitting holy knowledge.

 

Day 2 Theme: The nature of being in art 

eternity, knowledge and bliss.

 

Day 3 Theme: The sacred in art 

knowing the transcendent and enjoying the transcendence

 

 

 

Australian visit 

Finally  I would like to mention that we are very excited to hear of the possibility that you may visit Australia at the end of the year and we will be ready to do whatever we can to assist you. Atul Krishna Prabhu is scheduled to be here December-January also, staying at our home near New Govardhan. 

 

Your servant

Dhruvananda Das 

(Dhruva O’Shea)

 

HpS - Jaya!    18th July we should have the India dates then we can add the Australia discourse.

Lima Ticket Purchased

6 years, 11 months ago by hps in Hot Topics, Calendar Development

'are Krsna!

After a long hard struggle we have fixed our dates.

September
12 - Madrid to JFK to Nashville

13 - Viva Kultura (Indra dyumna Swami) Nashville

21 (Fr)  Vamana-dvadasi - Nashville

22(Sa) Nashville to Houston (IAH) 1-2.45PM [$135], Appearance of Bhaktivinode Thakura.

23(Su) Houston, Disappearance of Hari Das Thakura

24(Mo) Houston (IAH) to Lima 4.30-11.00PM, Visvarupa Mahotsava, Sannyasa Srila Prabhupada, Anniversary of NOI. (21 November return) [$550]

NOW ... shall we go to Santiago 26 October to 20 November?

ART and the SACRED

Urgent

6 years, 11 months ago by Nick Delffs in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj,

AGTSP! 

PAMHO

Thank you for your response about the marriage. Your words have inspired some deep contemplation. 

This is where I am at:

In some ways I am in the grhastha ashram already because I have Aja. So I am kind of in limbo it seems. I would like to be fully protected in the grhastha ashram. I also have material desires and feel that being a father is a way that I can serve Krishna and his Devotees. 

I see getting married as a way of keeping my life simple. Being a single parent is very complicated. 

Anadi Radha Dasi is a very serious devotee and has been a great benefit to my spiritual life thus far. I would like to keep this association. Because of the small community here and the fact that I can’t really leave Boise because of Aja, I think it would be the best thing for us. May we have your blessings? 

Your aspiring disciple, 

-Nicholas 

HpS - ASA -- Hare Krsna!     AGTSP!    paoho/bw....  Thank you for your thoughtful letter.... First I think, disussing this in this forum is very nice.  This is our village newspaper in some ways.    Srila Prabhupada says that in the Vedic culture the young couple go to the the village Brahmana, astrologer, and ask when is a good time to try to get a child. He tells them and then the Brahmana's wife lets everyone in the village know... !...   It becomes an open secret that on this day at this time Mr. and Mrs. So-and-so are having sexual relations.   Prabhupada say that in this way they are all protected from Maya, not having sex in secret like cats and dogs. Of course, that is more extreme than this discussion. Which is good for a lot of our listeners.

Interesting. We are third world country when it comes to social relations. Trying to apply these powerful advanced techniques is like people from the Amazon try to use cell-phones when they are accustomed to communicating by drum beats.

So, your information is very nice and makes me feel eevn greater respect for you.

We are not just making our comments based upon 70-years of living with marriage and 40-years of ISKCON marriage, but also on the comments of others, Prabhupada, so we hope they have some utility for your benefit, though we don't feel that we are beyond learning a lot of new things.

1. From Parasara Dharma Sastra, as recommended by Srila Prabhupada in SB 1.9: How long has it been since you separated from you esteemed first wife?

2. What if we look at 1st initiation as a   *B I G*   life change, a lot to digest, and then maybe make some vows of intention in terms of marriage at that time to be fulfilled after ...  six months,    one year,     of first initiation?

A lot of people have to digest this First Initiation and then the Second Initiation (marriage) for it to be potent and effective e. g. Aja Ji.   Everyone has to get used to you no longer being Bhakta Nick, now being, Sriman N....... Das.

[What will Bh. Nick answer?    Will he discuss it with his Mother-Father-Brother-Fiancee-Church Deacon-The Milk Man-The Baker-The Candle Stick Maker?

Will he escape the snares of The Evil One?]

DTC sa(30)

6 years, 11 months ago by hps in DTC

Hare Krsna.

AgtSP.

Paoho & bw.

Our eyes are starting to fall apart. We can only do so much work on the screen now.  It is good. Krsna is pushing us to chant and dance more. We will go out now and chant in our Sannyasis suit at Wallmart, the mall. We have seven more rounds to do!

It is hard chanting alone here. We only see people, NGD and Dr. Desai and Vijaya Ji in the evening and then when we walk there is a lot of practical talk about financial and time management.

But if we are in a big temple like Houston then there are so many devotees who want talk and we cannot work alone like we do here.

Also, we are still learning how to stay constantly at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (picking up peanuts).

Devotees need to write books with the expertise of Sir Author Conan Doyle, "Sherlock Holmes", et al. The Sr. Bhag. has to be put in modern language, dramas, novels, for us Shudras.

Class this morning was great. Mangala arati was great. We got up late (2.48AM) because of late program outside last night and then had long walk/talk with Radhika, NGD, Dr. Desai et al.

Sankirtan.

  Kapi Dhvaja is late

      But chant Hare Krsna at any time

  And there is nothing more great.

All the plans, motivation, will come from Harinama.

Never think that there is any serice higher than chanting Harinama at the feet of our Acharya at any time.

Preguntas sobre Yuga Dharma

6 years, 11 months ago by anandamayadas in Personal Sadhana Reports

 

 

 

Hare Krsna Gurudeva, pamhr, TLGASP!

Este es un apéndice del reporte que le enviamos hoy, para poder hacerle unas preguntas acerca de unas dudas que tengo hace mucho, espero no molestar su tiempo.

ASA - Claro que no!

Por lo que hemos aprendido de los libros de SP…  En Kali Yuga, el yuga dharma es Harinam Sankirtan, establecido por el Señor Caitanya.

Hemos escuchado en predica que Sankirtan es todo, es decir, se refiere a todo servicio que esté conectado y coopere con la propagación de los Santos Nombres del Señor, en ese caso, si lavo las ollas donde cocinan para los devotos, estoy haciendo Sankirtan.

 

HpS - Si!

Pero Harinama Sankirtana como yuga dharma se refiere al canto en congregación de los Santos Nombres del Señor. Aquí tengo una gran duda, porque siempre escuchamos en predica de devotos en general, acerca de la importancia del canto de nuestra japa. Y por experiencia propia sé que es de suma importancia en nuestro sadhana. Pero no puedo conciliar estos dos conceptos, es decir, el canto de japa solitario, y el Harinamm Sankirtan en compañia.  ¿La Japa está en la categoría de Harinama Sankirtana? es decir se le puede considerar como Yuga Dharma?

HpS - "Harer nama, harer nama ... kalau nasteva.."   Puede ser Hari nama Japa, Hari nama Sankirtan o/y Hari nama Sankirtan. Puede ser directo o por media del libros, o por media del ayudar el Sankirtan. Por eso seguimos Guru como adjustar la cuantidad y arregla para cada uno. Japa es como base de Sankirtan, no? Tiempo entre Vd. y Acharyas y Krsna solo. En Kirtan, Sankirtan, somos con Karmis entonces a veces dificil cantar puro.

 

Es decir puedo ocuparme diariamente en la práctica de mi vaidhi sadhana bhakti, de muchas maneras, incluso las más importantes, como vivir en un lugar sagrado, adorar a la deidad, asociarme con devotos, escuchar el Srimad Bhagavatam con devotos, y cantar mi japa, pero por semanas y a veces meses no participo de un Kirtan, o Harinam que es lo que entiendo como Yuga Dharma, es decir canto en congregación.

HpS - ????? "...d, asociarme con devotos, escuchar el Srimad Bhagavatam con devotos..."  - Eso es Sankirtan. Oir y hablar Sr. Bh., Santos Nombres, pero es natural presentar para los innocentes quien pueden convertir a devotos. Puede ser en universidades, o la calle, oooo....   tan muchos modos. Sankirtan con los devotos, Sankirtan para los no devotos innocentes.  Claro, poder, conocimento ... pero misericordia es aspecto muy fuerte, muy prominente de Krsna. Entonces cantando bien solo, Japa, Sankirtan con los devotees para Krsna en el Templo, entonces quiere ir afuera es normal. Casi imposilbe parar.  Pero....  Ramananada Rai era mas involucrado en Nirjana Bhajana, Nityaandna en Sankirtan, Bhavananda Rai en ganar dinero, Gadadhara in adorar la Deidad.

 

En ese punto, ¿estoy siguiendo el proceso correcto? ¿estoy haciendo Yuga Dharma?

HpS - Si.   Pero puede mejor.   Sankirtan de cada uno es diferente. Unos no puede caminar, entonces no natural hacer Sankirtan en buses.

 

 

He hablado de este punto con unos devotos mayores discípulos de Prabhupada, sannyasis y gurus, y me decían que antes, en épocas de Srila Prabhupada, ellos cantaban los Santos Nombres, ocho horas diarias en las calles, en Harinam y unas cuantas más en el templo en Kirtan como lo conocemos ahora. Ellos decían que todo era muy extático en esos tiempos.  ¿Querido Gurudeva, acaso hemos dejado de practicar el yuga dharma como tal?

                             Perdone nuevamente por quitarle tiempo, su inutil sirviente, Anandamaya das.

 

HpS - En la comienza mucho canto en la calle de Santos nombres. Entonces no mucho, mucho mas distribucion de libros. En India, festivales, Miembros Vitalizos. Home Programs.

Organiza buen Kirtan una vez cada semana, Domingo?  Entonces comienza ir afuera como puede y ayudar otros su no puede ir su mismo.   pero......  habla de Krsna en su trabajo, familia etc. etc.  Eso es sugerencia de Senor Caitanya.    https://www.vedabase.com/es/cc/madhya/7/128

VISITA ESPAÑA

6 years, 11 months ago by jayanta in Hot Topics, Calendar Development

Querido Gurudev: Pamho. Toda Gloria a Srila Prabhupada y sus seguidores fieles.

HpS - Jaya!!

Espero que se encuentre bien de salud cuando reciba este mensaje.

HpS - Como Vd. Cada ano mas viejo el cuerpo pero espero mas inteligente la alma!

Ayer estuvo Yadunandana Swami en casa, en el programa Sat Sanga de los viernes. Estuvimos comentando lo de su viaje. Nuestra propuesta es:

- Llega al aeropuerto el dia 30 /08. Lo recogen desde NVM y descansa allí (mejor que en Madrid).

- El dia 31 sale en un tren AVE a Barcelona (31,01,02)

- El dia 03/09 JANMASTAMI, despues de la clase de la mañana en Barcelona vuelve a NVM (03,04,05,06)

-El viernes 07 va para Madrid hasta el dia 12 que vuelve a EEUU. (Quizas el viernes podemos hacer en mi casa un programa Sat Sanga (pienso que siendo el Ratha Yatra el sabado, el Templo estará algo agitado)

Espero sus comentarios para que le saquen los billetes de tren NVM-BCN-NVM. Tambien para hacer algín cartel anunciando su visita.

Recomendaré a los Templos que paguen los viajes internos y que le den  un mínimo d e50 eu/dia. Esto pagaría la mitad del viaje. Pediré a los discipulos que aporten algo aparte para que el viaje no tenga números rojos.

Sin mas se despide

su sirviente

Jayanta das

HpS - ASA --  Muy bien oir de Vd.    Gracias a todos.    Calendario aparece muy bueno. Con los devotos podemos presentar Upadesamrta.  Si alguien quiere viajar con nostros en el Ave, muy bien!         Para Sankirtan extexior podemos ser representantes de "Arte y lo Sagrado", el evento fin de Octubre en en Peru y medio de Noviembre en Chile.

O.K.?     Podemos enviar materios didacticos. Para NOI podemos tener diplomas, inscripciones.   Bastante trabajo pero hay tiempo.

Para "Arte" busco contactos de eruditos, artistas, poetas, locos para Dios, de nuestros contactos y Vd. de suyas.

Distribuir muchos libros a ellos. Tiene "Enseñanzas del Señor Caitanya", "Luz de la Bhagavata"?

Vamos a tener "Solaris", nuestra propio revista, para distribuir.

En esta perspectivo, muy bien, hospedaje por la noche en NVM pero si hay alguien encontrar en la dia, 30 Agosto, cuando llegamos, en Madrid, muy bien. 

O.K.  Nuestra general?   Listo sus soldados?  Que pasa con Sananda Devi/Bhadravardana Das?