Marriage and Four Principles and Sixteen Rounds / Matrimonio y cuatro principios y dieciséis rondas

6 years, 2 months ago by hps in Special Category B

AGTSP paoho and bw

We have communication with several initiated and not yet initiated married devotees who have problems following the four principles and chanting 16-rounds.

One problem is that one of the partners can follow, but the other can't. What to do? We took the route of being strict and it seemed to lead to divorce. That was in 1972 and if we knew then what we know now we may have been able to adust things for the satisfaction of our family. Our wife was and I guess still is, a very nice person. She tried, I tried, but especially in 1972 following these four principles was a lot of stress on ordinary family relations. She got remarried after six years which Parasara, Prabhupada, say is Dharmic in Kali yuga if the husband takes Sannyasa, and that is basically what I did.

Of course, it maybe better for the wife to indulge the husbands attachments for some time, but in terms of the formal postion of Diksa guru we have to say that the four principles must be followed and we must chant 16-rounds to be formally connected to Krsna. Again Krsna is a person and he can see your sincerity and He will help in different ways.

We cannot discuss this in great detail because we are in the Sannyasa ashrama, so Grhasthas need to consult with senior Grhasthas and many others and get good advice. Canakhya Pandita says: Victory comes from good advice and good advice comes from many advisors.

What do you think?

DTC mo(18)

6 years, 2 months ago by hps in DTC

Hare Krsna. AGTSP Paoho

4.30PM in Manipura. Cloudy today and some rain during Mangala arati. We have almost continuous burning in our nose and even our skin from some kind of allergy reaction to the air or something.

Yesterday Toe Bull, today full moring program, SB class and then big television interview. It was quite good. The questions were quite practical. Haridasa Swami said a few things we said will have to be edited out because they would be inflamatory to certian groups here in Manipur. We see an undercurrent of potentially violent terrorists activities here by different groups. Right now the economy and access to Western technology, education, dream of happiness, is enough available so that these are not manifest like before.

After the television interview - one hour - we chanted Hare Krsna and watched some Dhanur veda to relax our brain and had a nap and then forced ourself up to answering letters etc. Many people are starting to arrive from Meghalaya, Silchar etc. They quite naturally expect some emotional reciprocation from us but it is hard in unkown languages, not being able to remember everyone we initiated.

O.K. We write one essay for here and go to the 5PM NOI seminar.

Thank you.

Muchas Gracias!!!

6 years, 2 months ago by Gadai in Personal Sadhana Reports

Todas Las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada!!!

Hare Krsna Guru Maharaja, por favor reciba mis respetuosas reverencias!!!

Aquí recibimos su respuesta sobre la Govardhana Sila, muchas gracias por sus instrucciones y consejos, también pedirle disculpas por no escribir antes de recibir a la Govardhana Sila, no volverá a pasar.

Acá estamos atendiendo a la Govardhana Sila junto con las demás Salagrama Silas tal y como nos indico. Son bebes.

Parece que viajare de Sankirtan por Ayacucho y Huancavelica, aún falta confirmar y coordinar algunas cosas.

Bueno Guru Maharaja, me despido, que Nrsimha lo proteja. Hare Krsna!!!!

Gadai Gauranga Dasa.

Nadiya Nivasi Dasi.

HpS - ASA - Jay! Hare Krsna! Tenemos que distribuir libros y distribuir Sankirtan, Convertir personas a Sankirtaneros! Ten muchos discipulos.

ABOUT RODRIGO

6 years, 2 months ago by Carlos Rold in Other

Hare Krishna dear Guru Maharaja !

Please accept my humble obeisances...

All glories to Srila Prabhupada !

I'm writing to you by the instruction of your disciple Arjuna Das. He asked to me that I write this letter to you about our dear friend and brother, your servant, Rodrigo. Arjuna Das wants to let you know the details we have recopilated from Rodrigo's family about his departure from this world. So, I will make a chronological relate about the events. First at all, I want to ask apologizes to Rodrigo, Arjuna and to you, for my delay in writing this letter; please, you all, please forgive me.

ASA - AGTSP paoho Nothing to forgive from us.

Wednesday, February 13, first Rodrigo's fainting around 4 pm (same day Arjuna and me had a meeting about NIOS, ASA, etc., I had to travel to Santiago specially for the meeting Arjuna asked me. We finished this meeting around 1 pm. and very near to Rodrigo's home, but we didn't knew anything).

The first Rodrigo's fainting was in his home (parents home). The ambulance delayed in arriving. Even cops came and give it to him first aids, Rodrigo looked purple colour. Before the ambulance came, Catalina (Rodrigo's favourite cousin, a young woman, and a very importan person into his departure process) and her mother they came to stay with him and accompany him. This aunt was like another mother to Rodrigo, because she helped into his upbringing and growing. When ambulance came, they had to wait, cause at the time they wanted to pick up Rodrigo to get him upon the ambulance, he suffered several heart attacks, so they had to wait. Once into the hospital, they connected him to machines, cables, oxygen, etc.  

Thursday, February 14, around 9 am. the pulse machine stopped dialing, Doctors said "he died". Since this moment, Catalina, Rodrigo's favourite cousin, she took the japa, started to chant the Maha Mantra and, also, reading Bhagavad Gita aloud. She did this at least by 2 hours, since Rodrigo was pronounced dead by doctors, during the journey to his parents' house, while they dressed him and until they finished. Catalina told me later (when she shared all these details with me), after doing this (Maha Mantra and BG) Rodrigo's face changed expression and he looked relaxed. Catalina put his japa in his right hand, and his Bhagavad Gita in the left one, as well a Goura Nitay´s garland before they closed the coffin. 

Around noon. My sister, Gita Vali DD, called me by phone and told me, crying: Rodrigo left the body. I cried a lot, I was in shock because I thought was a kind of suicide, according to what some devotees had told to my sister... but now, I know that this did not happen this way. I tried to calm down and I went out to make my daily tasks... I called Arjuna... I visited some customers, as quickly as I could, and later went to the church where they made the wake: "Sanctuary of the Sacred Heart of Jesus", a convent of nuns, just in the back of Rodrigo's parents home. Once there, with Arjuna and ohter devotees we chanted Maha Mantra around the coffin and sharing the afternoon talking about Rodrigo and remembering him. Catalina caught my attention from the moment I saw her, because she was the person who cries the most and suffer for Rodrigo; later I knew she is the favourite cousin of Rodrigo, like a little and loved sister, so by the end of the day I got close to talk to her and she told me about her close relationship with Rodrigo since she were a little girl and, also, details about his departure. This day it was supposed that I had to come back to the beach I were working, but Krishna helped me with some arrangement and I could stay for the next day ceremony from the church to the cemetery. 

Friday, February 15. I arrived to the church at 9 am. (time they open the doors to the public), Rodrigo's family was arriving at the same time. Later, your disciples and aspirants came: Arjuna Das, Jagad Guru Das, Ananda Vardhana Das, Sripati Das, Danhista Devi Dasi, Piero, Miguel, Juan Elgueda... and also a lot of devotees and a lot of Rodrigo's friends from his different areas of work. So, once inside the church and next to the coffin, Catalina told me about her close relationship with Rodrigo and also the details I've shared with you in the first paragraphs of this letter. Listening to her, I realized that Rodrigo was training her all this time in Krishna Consciousness and he left the body in company of one devotee, the same devotee he trained. AGTSP! And suddenly she told me "Last night, I had a dream with Rodrigo: I appears in a very beutiful place, an open field, big trees, flowers everywhere, mountains, a river, and everything was shining: the grass, the flowers, the sky, everything... and Rodrigo very very effulgent in the middle of this sitting in the lotus position with his japa in the right hand. I ran towards to him and he said -Catalina, please, tell my parents they don't have to suffer for me, I am very well, because I am in the place where I always wanted to be, and tell to my friends that I have accomplished it-." Waw! Was amazing to me heard this! I said to Catalina "that not was a dream", and we start chanting together a Maha Mantra round dedicated to Rodrigo. She has got her own japa, a Rodrigo's gift. Since this talking, I feel no more pain about Rodrigo, even I started to feel some joy because I know he is very very well right now. Catalina started to eat only vegetarian food since Rodrigo departure, it is an offering and sacrifice in honor of her beloved cousin/brother, and she said this is forever. 

She and the family told us that on Monday of that same week, Rodrigo received some results of medical tests, and he had been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, so he should have injected insulin every day, and also they found a heart disease.

11 am. starts the mass. A few minutes before, the priest came and heard the Srila Prabhupada's voice chanting the Maha Mantra through a mobile phone upon the coffin, and he said to us "you must to turn off that", so Arjuna grabbed his phone and kept it. After the mass, I was one of the men who took the coffin to get it into the funeral car, also Arjuna. Once outside the church, all devotees chanting Maha Mantra with instruments. Before leaving the church, I wanted to say goodbye to a nun who always looked at us with beautiful eyes, without fear or anything like that, and I told her a story as if it were mine, but it's a story I've heard from older devotees here in Chile. .. so I went to her and said "Thank you very much, you all are so nice... Many years ago a nun came to our congregation and finally get initiated without abandoning his Christian faith and when she meditated on the Maha Mantra she does it this way "Hare Kristo, Hare Kristo, Kristo, Kristo , Hare, Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama, Hare Hare"... and her eyes started to shine! And she said to me, looking deep into my eyes and quietly, "these days, I've been chanting the mantra..."  and her smile was shining! I felt she was talking trully! AGTSP!  

A long caravan of cars, leading by the hearse. Arjuna, Piero, Juan and Carlos Rold in the second car. The cemetery its called "Parque del Recuerdo" (memory park or park of remembering), very big and greeny. Another priest, another mass, brief this time. Later, family and friends give their final words, also I had to talk and the first I said was "Rodrigo is a Vaishnava, this means a person who follows the teachings of Lord Krishna..." I read some poetry of his last book and some verses of Bhagavad Gita (2.12, 2.13, 4.24, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 8.13, 9.27, 9.28), only the verses, and I tried to highlight the pure heart and giving attitude that Rodrigo teached us always through his example. Later, some of your disciples gave other words. Finally, the coffin get inside a big door opened from into the ground while Maha Mantra sounded beautiful from devotee's hearts and lips. 

A few days later they turned the body into ashes and the family divided the ashes into 2 parts, 1 for them and another to take to India.

Since one week later, ASA Chile, Dharma Comunicaciones (Rodrigo's enterprise) and Derrame (surrealist group founded by Rodrigo) are working toghether producing the launch event of the book "Dreams, Visions and Mantras". I read it twice. His book is amazing. Rodrigo was a genius. I recieved his book the same day he left the body, February 14th, Catalina gave it to me, and Rodrigo put my name into the thanksfull area... I recieved it in Saint Valentine's day, I never care for this comercial dates, anyway my heart was broken. I haven't got the book with me right now (I had to gave it to some person cause the launch event), but I send to you some graphics of the event this march 26, it is the same art.

I feel sorry for myself for not having had enough intelligence and heart to have appreciated Rodrigo while he was still among us. I was not a good friend with him. I am not a good friend with my friends. I have realized that I do not know what love is, I do not know how to love. 

Mister Raul Zurita was advised about Rodrigo's departure, I personally communicated with him, but he will not participate in the event because he is not in Chile. He has a copy of the book in his hands.

Tuesday, March 26, 7 pm., will be the launch of the book and the tribute to Rodrigo. I will not participate because that day I will be in Lima, Perú, I'm going this wednesday March 20 to make some bussines, I've got to buy Pima Cotton to create some clothes. I will travel with my fiancee and we will stay in María and Abhirama's home. With Abhirama will talk to join forces for this year events "Education and the Sacred". We want to get the slide show that your disciple (Samaresh Prabhu?) exposed a few days ago through Gotomeeting from Boise. I'm just waiting another oportunity to serve you again, please, Gurudeva, let me serve you just one more time. 

Your aspiring disciple and servant,

Carlos Rold.

HpS - Thank you very, very much. It is nice if there is formal initiation, like a boy and girl getting formally married, but if there are complications, such as a crazy body, then Krsna makes adjustments, no? Like you say, Rodrigo has gone up. Maybe we can work to translate, rewrite, his book into English, some of the poems, publish here and in NIOS. We hope the book launch is a great success. Thank you to everyone. Did you have a Sraddha ceremony? Like 10 days afte he left his body? At the Sunday festival you have a picture of him, devotees talk about him and offer him plate of Maha-prasadam.

DTC 17(su) 5.32PM

6 years, 2 months ago by hps in DTC

Hare Krsna. Been a pretty good day. AGTSP. paoho & bw. Yes it was about six hours out for the program in Toe Bull. Not to be confused with the other town where we THOUGHT we were going Two Ball. It is way out in the country and also the birth place of H. H. B. S. Damodara Swami. About 75-devotees came. There was no special reason for all of us to go there but was nice Sangha. We act as a dignitary in many ways - sit in a chair, very sincere, highly elevated, men and women, with boys and girls, pay their obeisances, give 20-500 rupees (25-cents to 7-dollars) and we try to avoid them touching our feet. AGTSP. We also took charge of the program and started a Kirtan that was very nice. We can really communicate our consciouness through Kirtan. then a translated lecture. it is hard, for the translator, and us. Have to talk slow, clear, use simple words, repeat, but also seemed to come across well. We talked about Guru, Sankirtan of Srila Prabhupada and our Sankirtan with Bhakti svarupa Damodara Swami.

Then one-hour back through the dust. Our nose is stinging a lot here. Finished all but 21-Annual Reports.

Devotees arriving for the festival. Now we go to the Temple for the arati. Ekakasi has been pretty good. By eating once a day we are greatly improved. Sadhu Das and devotees offer like 5-7 course feast every day. We pick out like two basic items and honor those in bulk and then take a little taste to honor the rest. Is tough, but then we can usually digest it all within one day. There is no place or job nice in this world. Always best use of a bad bargain, and when we accept this as austerity for Krsna, is wonderful!

Thank you.

DTC 17(Su)

6 years, 2 months ago by hps in DTC

Hare Krsna! Hare Rama! Jaya Radha, Jaya Shyama, Jaya Sri Vrndavana Dhama. AGTSP! paoho.... It is 7.02AM... We go for Mangala arati, chant during a lot of extra hymns that the Temple does after MA and until just before Srngara arati and Guru-puja. During that we come back to our cave and read and write.

Yesterday was a donkey killer from Daytona! Three lectures. Tough lectures. The first was a Regional Medical Conference sponsored by the local university hospital, RIMS. We had to struggle to understand the audience and then put a PPTX together, but it was good. We were impressed but the love of the scientists for their work, the level of dscipline and organization existing in Manipur. Right before us was Medical Ethics and then we pushed it to Integral Medicine - Body, Mind and Spirit. Audience was about two hundred and the Doctors and Professors and Chairpersons listed with continuous attention. We saw that we could have followed up a lot more. This is Manipur. B. S. Damodara Swami is from here and he is a reknowned scientist.

Some war, bloodshed, with mosquitos here.

Next was NOI seminar third day. Eight nice students. We are reviewing our study guide.

Finally, regular ASA Saturday Morning ABC symposium. We were dog-donkey-dumpling tired but we knew that once we got on line and associated with devotees it would be possible. Upendra, Sugopi radha, explained their weeks reading and HpS summarized the classes from Kolkata, Manipur and showed the RIMS pptx in summary.

Too tired to do Reports or post this DTC.

Now, 12-rounds done, leaving for Tubal at 8AM for 6-hour program. B. S. Damodara Swami's birth place. Nice shrine there.

We will nap, bathe, and work on the Annual Reports.

Today is Ekadasi!

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