ISKCON Lady Gurus

12 years, 7 months ago by hps in Hot Topics

 

FROM: HpSwami, ASA.

In response to a letter about ladies becoming Diksa gurus in ISKCON from Basu Gosh Das in India we wrote the following.

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AGTSP. Pamho

I seem to think like you. We feel very happy to hear ISKCON news from you. Whatever we are writing here is not at all confidential and our names can be used.

As far as Matajis becoming Diksa gurus we intuitively feel that it is a very bad move. Then there is the citation from SB 4.12.32. You know it, no?

 

"...Sunīti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Mahārāja's dīkṣā-guru. ..."

 

Of course, the whole Purport is a mine of information on Guru-tattva and the topic under discussion.

 

To me it seems that the citations, "all my disciples should become Guru" can apply to patha-pradarshika, diksa, or siksa guru. I know a very nice alcoholic devotee who always has some problem with alcohol but has sent many, many, many people to the temples. He has followed Prabhupada's order and become Guru as Prabhupada suggested, but because of his circumstance (NoI 6) he can't become a formal ISKCON Diksa Guru.

 

Our suggestion is that we give emphasis to these Bhaktivedanta titles and then ladies can be known as highest level Siksa gurus, qualified to take siksa disciples and then a gentleman devotee, even less advanced than they, can do this formal service of Diksa.

 

Ultimately it is better to relate to devotees individually and put these formalities secondary, but not without significance, no?

DTC -- Su/14

12 years, 7 months ago by hps in DTC

             T l g a S P
            -((paoho))-

Whoop!

             Whoop!                                                                     oinK!
                                         Oink!!!                 We just got back from the beach.  We rode in Mathuresa Das' monster rocket. It is a Ford, has Microsoft computer and WiFi on board.  They will add Coca-cola next release!

                At the beach there were seals with Tilak riding on Surf boards.     It was brisk and over cast.  Devotees came in three buses!              We had Kirtan, class, Prasadama and drove back.  Was very refreshing!    The drive was full of mountains and desert!

       BRO. ASS - Still has little inflamation on both ankles and spreading up the shins a little bit.    Hmmm.  Hope the Ayurveda and regular devotional service removes it.           Well, maybe Krsna wants us to rot!          Get detached from this body.  Die from heart attack when supporting the skin infection overloads it.         O.K.  KRSNA book.             M. Yugala and Advaita and others are distributing 1,000 small books at all the programs!!!

JAYA!!!

12 years, 7 months ago by giannina_dasi in Personal Sadhana Reports

Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada!!!

Todas las glorias a sus señorias Gaura Nitay!!!

Por favor acepte mis humildes reverencias

hare krishna gurudeva 

Gurudeva creo que la carta anterior no le llego le envio esta nuevamente pero es igual que la otra. Le envio el numero del templo de Barcelona  0034 933025194 y de p Gundica 617203223.

Tambien queria comentarle que con Sarad Bihari queremos organizarle una conferencias aca en Barcelona pensabamos que podria ser del LOB con otro tema o cualquier tema que ud quisiera dar.  Estoy haciendo el bhakti sastri con la madre Yugala y ella esta orientado sobre los tópicos del LOB que son muy bellos y como no es muy conocido aquí pensamos que se podria repetir o hablar acerca de otro tópico. Tambien organizarnos con prabhu Gundica para poder hablar con Joan Prats que es catedratico dela Universidad de Tarragona para saber si hay la posibilidad de hacer una conferencia ahi también. Por favor maharaja aconsejemos que es lo que Ud quisiera hacer, la madre Sarad Bihari hablara con ud para preguntarle de que tema le gustaria exponer. 

En cuanto a mi sadhana vamos mejorando mangala arati 16 rondas ok serivicio en el templo y ahora empezamos con la universidad y con bhakti sastri :D 

Muchas gracias gurudeva!!!! por toda su paciencia!

Su aspirante sirviente

Giannina

                  ASA - Jaya!  Super!          Luz de la Bhagavata.   Si la universidad es cerca pudimos presentar un symposium alla.  Sarad b dd puede encntar un manual como organizar los simposia en www.jayarama.us/archives     Adelante!!!!           Adelante!!!

Again the same thing, what title to choose?

12 years, 7 months ago by jaynityananda in Other

Dear Hanumatpresaka Swami,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

First of all i wish to express my sincere happiness about and thankfulness for the Japa Joe thing that you offer. It inspires me and also pulls me along sometimes. All glories to the persons who get up at 1:30 in the morning to chant,

           ASA - AGTSP   Paoho...  By our Doctor's orders we don't get up until 2.15AM and start Japa Joe workshop at 2.30AM.    It is big change in life style but we try to follow our Ayur-vedic authority.

.... it requires strength and determination. Interesting to read how that nasty infection keeps lingering. I hope in general your health is fine.

              ASA - Well put the news of Brother Ass in the DTC!

I am very happy to have learned that you will be visiting Belgium early february for almost two weeks, it offers a nice window to come over and have your association. At that time, our child will be around two months old, and i wish our whole family can make it.

Last Japa Joe you directly told me to give Krishna to others, and i would like to know what you ask of me. Personally, i think it implies a more direct meaning, such as telling people about Krishna, or distributing SP's books. What do you mean exactly? I used to like to distribute books on the street, and it is always necessary, but I prefer a more facilitating role, behind the scenes. Not that i will never distribute another book on the streets. 

Your divine order that i should give Krishna to others made me think. I appreciate this order very much, and i feel that i am doing it right now, but not as much as i could (or should). At some point last year i decided that i had it with all this preaching, feeling unworthy and  pretentious to speak to others what to do. I lost my way with it, i guess. Because of foolish and polluted ego i took wrong approach, and i noticed that i often end up telling people what to do and feel offended if they don't, and i regularly noticed loss of taste and other setbacks as a result. I decided to look within to understand more about me, to become a bit more genuine. Fortunately, it helped somewhat, by chanting and God knows what other mercy i received. However, i like this 'being in the back' position. This bigotry mentality is so strong and so annoying! If i could get rid of that, it would surely please my superiors and our Lordships.

I still perform service for the Dutch Krishna Bhakti Magazine, being responsible for content, translating and editing, serving as a sort of organizer for this small bi-monthly magazine. Since a month or two Amsterdam got a new temple president, a disciple of Kadamba Kanana Swami, a brahmacari from Germany in his twenties, who followed up Dhananjaya, who wants to do more preaching and bookdistribution in Amsterdam, in order to expand the congregation. As a result of that, they also want to make more money so that we can (finally) move to a bigger facility, after the new, but still to be prepared, building that they had was taken away because of bankruptcy of one rich godbrother of yours from Amsterdam that donated it. The TP asked me if i can help with the dutch official website, serving under the webmaster, working on the content. These two are my direct services. 

What i would like to work towards is to establish contacts in the educational field who can facilitate speakers of ISKCON. I was reflecting earlier on how i could serve you directly, and this seems an option. How do you feel towards the idea of lecturing in Universities in the Netherlands, coinciding with your visit to Radhadesh for easy logistics? Another reason for thinking about university hosting is this. Yesterday we visited your godbrother Dhanesvara, who is currently touring Europe with his book Spiritual Economics (from the lessons of BG). I worked a bit with the dutch coordinator to facilite him and when we looked for preaching engagements we couldn't get him to speak in any university or high school because we didn't have immediate contacts. We learned how fragmented the Dutch yatra is, people have their own agenda's without good cooperation in this field. Apparently somebody used to maintain contacts with schools, but sadly enough, nobody was able to arrange a speaking arrangement anywhere but in temples and preaching centers. I figured, if i want such a thing to happen, i should work on it myself. I am not familiar with this scene, but my cousin is, so it might work nonetheless. Of course, i would also have to understand the content of your presentations.

Last thing i want to mention in yet another long letter is that i am reading about and slowly finding my way with this guru-tattva and ISKCON 'anomaly' approach to diksa. My japa is fairly good, 4 regs quite stable. I'm happy with how this goes!

Are your current speaking arrangements being recorded and published somewhere? I would like to keep up a bit more with what you are speaking. I wish your engagements are ample and satisfying you, and that you are in inspiring association.

Kind regards,

Your aspiring servant,

Richard

             ASA -  Ooof!   AGTSP   paoho...  Yes, is a long letter, but good content.            People are recording the lectures. Try www.jayarama.us/kd/links.txt there may be a link there to some lectures. Also on Facebook I hear some are posted.  Krsna blocked us from Face Buk.

         "Give Krsna to others."       I don't know any details. It's like you say. We desire to do it then we see how we can best do it. Brahmanas know the filosofy and preach, teach.  Ksatriyas know it but don't give classes.  They facilitate the Brahmanas so that even an insincere Brahmana can have some use.            Who are you?    How can you preach?     I don't know, but what you describe of your service seems like an excellent start.

I don't think we can get away from Spain and Radha desa while we are in Europe.  You will have to be our representative.

Nitya Kisori Reporting

12 years, 7 months ago by b.Natalia Molina in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krsna Gurudeva
Please accept my humble obeisances
All glories to Srila Prabhupada

Now I am in Mexico DF. I just came today morning. Wednesday I go to El Salvador with bhaktin Tania, to do sankirtan with the local devotees for one month.
Cueramaro will be our headquarter. All the last week we did little festivals of India, one in a school, an other in a yoga center, and an other in a university.
Prabhu Aravinda will rent a house to do a brahmacarini asrama, and some of the matajis there will prepare to change their asrama studying a career while doing some sankirtan. And the other will be brahmacarinis, students, but we will also study something. In my case, because I am only few months, maybe a small course.

Radha Madana Gopal are so beautiful, it is nice to see them again!

I miss to be in Peru having your association. 

Your servant, Nitya Kisori dd

            ASA - HpS  -  Jaya!  AGTSP!   Paoho.   We are in a lot of anxiety about M. Jambavati Devi Dasi.  Her health is not good and even after we write a lot to the ISKCON authorities we can't get any news that they are able to help her...    Ooof!         We keep trying until we die.    Your Sankirtan service is the best help to everyone. It is watering the root.

Laghu Bhagavatamrta Das. Mexico Mandir.

12 years, 7 months ago by dany_mexico in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krishna Querido Gurudeva!!!!!

AGTSP. AGTHPS. PAMHO.

Esperando se encuentre mucho mejor de salud. Le escribo para reportarle que seguimos tratando de servir a Srila Prabhupada en su mision, apoyando a los Devotos  de Nama-Hatta con P. Deva Dharsan todos los sabados y en el Templo cocinando una ofrenda para la Deidad cada domingo.

Estamos esforzandonos por cantar 16 rondas diarias y 4 principios, con algunos problemas para concentrarnos y cantar por la mañana.

            HpS - ASA --  Muchas gracias!  Nos agradecemos mucho!    Yajnanam japa yajno smi....   Japa es la esfuerza mas essential contra Maya!

Aaaaaaaaaa!!! Han venido muchas pruebas dificiles, la mente y el cuerpo nos estan dando muchos problemas; pero estamos tratando de entender los planes de Krishna, que se, son para mi avance y crecimiento espiritual. 

               ASA -  En cual quiere desporte el instructor siempra da desafios al alumno!    Acceptan como misericordia de Krsna.  Es un desporte.

Por favor pido me de Sus bendiciones para que Krishna me mantenga siempre en Su servicio y por favor perdone todas mis ofenzas.

Su aspirante a sirviente eterno: Laghu Bhagavatamrta Das.

            ASA -  Honestamente hace mucho tiempo oir de Vd. y ya estamos feliz oir. Adelante!   Tiene que encontrar su profession y desarrolla las abilidades que necesitan ser una persona fuerte en Sankirtan de ISKCON.