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paoho

Hare Krsna.  5.49PM.
Last rays of setting sun are kissing our half alive pear tree.

Many cars running outside on Medical Center Parkway. Getting cool, now, Autumn.

Got up late this morning. Too much late night feasting and literature. Got 21 of proposed 27 rounds done. Feel little like vomiting. Eyes hurt. Beard itches. Stop and examine your body. Bet you find many of the same things.

Good day: Maya 10, Monkey/Piggy 7!

Prasad was a Baked pear, Cashews, Apple, Boiled sweet potato and rice, one juiced apple, and more cashews.
 

We read and worked on our Hawaii class, and BG class for Wednesday.

Laked with Srivasa pandita, Rama-giridhari Das and Dr. Samaresh.

Today is Rama-vijaya!   Our Hindu Myth of  Victory of Good over Evil. Ha!   Ha!  Ha!

Was not a myth. Actually happend in the Dvapara yuga when things were much for subtle. We really are doubtful of Carbon Dating as we investigate how it is established.

Also disappearance anniversary of Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Swami. We wrote two biographical chapters and posted it in our archives as bsdm.doc.

Caught up on all the mail to one week ago, with special reference to the "Urgent" stuff.

Nice letters.

We still think "Vaisnavi" is an O.K. title. Usually refers to Durga. Otherwise seems to be used in a little bit of bodily concept eg. Indira Gandhi should become a Vaisnavi.  Not expecting her to become a Madhyama adhikari exactly.

Our opinion.   Also, we still like the address, Mataji. For us it is equal with Maharaja. Also bodily concept but more in line with Chanakhya Pandita. Let's see what Srinivasa acharya et al come up with a Mataji phrase research.

O.K. Let's go to NGD for our evening walk. Now we are starting on a fixed time because Dr. Desai and Vijaya Narain are joining us. That is good. Because they are all Vanaprastha's they tend to discuss how to get to the Parikrama sites on the Indian yatras and which cars are the best.
 

We are very happy with the NIMSAR work. All the work.
We are in Kali-yuga. If people want, then by Lord Caitanya's mercy, there will be a King like Maharaja Pariksit born, appear and make it like Satya yuga for the next 9500 years, no?

Hari Bolo!!!

Hare Krsna Maharaja.

PAMHO AGTSP

I hope your health is better,

HpS - Hare Krsna!! Actually will be getting worse all the time. Old age. Now sme little pain in the knees. Maybe they are going.  Many people getting artificial knee replacement here.  Maybe can's walk withour crutches soon.  O.K.  Just use this body to the end, then get ready for the next one Krsna sends.

Briefly I explain the following:

1.-NIMSAR proposed to Jiva sakti d as Examiner and Candramukhi dd as adminstrator, by consensus it seems a good choice, but Yugala dd is in disagrees that Jiva sakti d is the examiner. (although most agree with Jiva sakti d).

2.-She proposes to Mathuresh d as Examiner. It seems like a good proposal (although we do not have consulted others members).

3.-Yugala dd also wants to be aassistant of adminstrator. About this,  we do not consider it prudent, because test development should be confidential enough 2 people. Candramukhi dd is very qualified to do so. In these types of service it is very important to consider affinity character, Yugala dd is very Ksatrya only see one point, naturally she wants to lead, Candramukhi dd has other character .

There is a saying : "2 sun can not shine".  Teacher can give ideas, contributions but no prepare exams.

Sorry, that we consult this themes to you. I write to you by order to LAD and Yugala dd.

In others yatras as Argentina there are 10 Bhakti Sastri Examiners , maybe Jivasakti d and Mathuresh d could be both Examiners Bhakti Sastri.

Sri Nrsimhadeva protect you

with affection

Isvari dd.

HpS - We discussed this on the tele-conference on Sunday, no?   Was very nice.  Our points from there.

1. The decision of who is Examiner, Administrator, for Bhakti Sastri in Peru is the authority of the GBC and/or National Counsel if GBC wants that. Of course, Nimsar, ASA, could apply to also be an independent testing unit for Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, but still would need National approval to work in that nation.

So, NIMSAR at this point would only be making suggestions to the National Council.

2. The job is really a very technical job and I don't think Mathures Das would have the time or temperament for it.

3. Seem like everyone kind of comes to a consensus and then does the work for like one year and then after that re-evaluate.

4. Again it is not a very important post politically, we need some politics, more a technical post.

O.K?   Thank you for your interest. Please see the DTC for today.

Vaisnavi

• Folio hits: 13 lectures, 3 conversations, 2 correspondence, ...

"That personality is Govinda, the Supreme Person. I am offering my respectful obeisances." So Maya is acting under the direction of Krsna just like the shadow is moving under the movement of the original. So Maya's position is not degraded. Don't think like that. Therefore Vaisnava offers all respect to Maya because she is working under Krsna. She is Vaisnavi. She is also energy of Krsna. Therefore she is also Vaisnavi. In the Candi... (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 2.8-12 -- Los Angeles, November 27, 1968

Devotee: What does the name Vaisnavi mean?

Prabhupada: Vaisnavi?

Devotee: Yes. You gave my daughter the name Vaisnavi.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Pradyumna: It is...

Prabhupada: "Associated with Vaisnava."

Devotee: I saw in Krsna book two you explained that Vaisnavi is another name of Yogamaya.

Prabhupada: Yes. You do not like? (laughter) Yes. So let your daughter become a Durga. Why you are afraid of? So now no more talking. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.2 -- London, August 18, 1971

That is stated in the Caitanya-caritamrta. But Haridasa Thakura was not entrapped, because he was strong, strong enough. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti. Maya could not do anything. Although Maya came there at dead of night, very beautiful, attractive dress, attractive feature, attractive words -- this is maya -- so he was not allured. The... Rather, the vesya, or the prostitute, became converted into a Vaisnavi.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.32 -- Vrndavana, August 13, 1974

So, in these two verses the important point is that Draupadi is sympathetic. That is Vaisnava. She is Vaisnavi. This is the attitude of the Vaisnava. Para-duhkha-duhkhi. Vaisnava is para-duhkha-duhkhi. That is Vaisnava's qualification. He doesn't care for his own personal distresses. But he, a Vaisnava becomes aggrieved, distressed, when other is suffering.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.7.47-48 -- Vrndavana, October 6, 1976

So the feeling of Vaisnava is like that. Similarly, Draupadi is Vaisnavi. She is feeling more than herself, the wife of Dronacarya, mother of Asvatthama, how she will feel. Therefore Vaisnava's qualification is, para-duhkha-duhkhi. Personally a Vaisnava is not unhappy, but a Vaisnava becomes unhappy for others" distress.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.7.47-48 -- Vrndavana, October 6, 1976

But you know the story of Haridasa. He was young man at that time, and one man instigated a prostitute, young prostitute, to deviate him, but she was unable. On the other hand, the prostitute became a Vaisnavi. This is the difference between a devotee and a nondevotee.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.63 -- Vrndavana, August 30, 1975

Jaya-gopala: What type of living entity is Mayadevi?

Prabhupada: She is Vaisnavi. She is great devotee of Krsna. But she has accepted a thankless task, to punish. The policeman is a sincere government servant, but he has accepted a task, nobody likes him. (laughs)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.8 -- Seattle, October 21, 1968

Just like this child. She has taken birth having Vaisnava father and mother. So she must have been a Vaisnavi or a Vaisnava in her previous life.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.91-2 -- Vrndavana, March 13, 1974

Tamala Krsna: No, no. Is Maya, Mayadevi, a pure devotee?

Prabhupada: Yes, certainly. The police force, are they not honest servant of the government? Does it mean the police force tortures you; therefore they're rejected from the government servant? Their task is thankless task, that's all. Similarly, Maya is also serving Krsna, but there is no thanks. That is the difference. She has taken a thankless task to punish persons who are godless, that's all. So Maya as it is, it is not that she is out of touch of Krsna. Vaisnavi. In the Candi, in the book of Maya, it is state that "Vaisnavi." The Maya is described as Vaisnavi. Just like pure devotee is called Vaisnava, she is also described there as Vaisnavi.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Lecture -- Seattle, September 27, 1968

This child must be executing devotional service in her past life. Therefore, she has got the opportunity, a Vaisnava father and Vaisnavi mother.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Pandal Lecture -- November 14, 1971, Delhi

Prabhupada: My first step will be to capture all the hoarders and distribute the grains free. Immediately public will be obliged to... There are immense food grains; they are simply hoarded. They are not selling without good price. This is going on. Immediately she can capture the public. And some of the hoarders should be hanged, yes, so that in future nobody will hoard. People are hungry. And she says she has got some program, garivi hatta(?), "Drive away the poverty." This is the point. If she can supply all consumer goods for the time being free to the poor, then immediately the whole population will be after her. And the hoarders should be exemplary punished. Shoot them, that's all. Then nobody will hoard. But to remain the dictator she requires spiritual knowledge. Otherwise it will be another disaster. If she wants to remain the dictator, then she must be a spiritual man. She must become a Vaisnavi. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- July 10, 1975, Chicago

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it's even mentioned in the Krsna book. Prostitutes came out of Dvaraka.

Prabhupada: Yes. In Calcutta in our childhood I have seen many big, big prostitutes, Vaisnavi.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Conversation -- June 23, 1977, Vrndavana

Prabhupada: Just see. She is natural Vaisnavi. Natural Vaisnavi. So give them proper education. This is real education.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Meeting With Governor of Tamil Nadu -- July 31, 1977, Vrndavana

Another news is that Mother Syama dasi came to L.A. with some of her Gujarati devotees. She appeared to be nice Vaisnavi.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Yamuna -- Hawaii 13 March, 1969

So far your daughter, there is already one devotee named Visakha, so instead your daughter may be named Vaisnavi Dasi.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Sucandra -- Tokyo 22 April, 1972

HpS - ASA -- Thank you. Indira Gandhi was to become a Vaisnavi!
What about "Mataji".  How does that appear?

Dear Esteemed Maharaja

PAMHO   All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

The devotees are making plans to have instructional activities for children at our weekly programs.  They already have one source for materials/outlines, but would greatly appreciate your recommendations for what/where to find more information.

HpS - I will text you Subhra and Caitanya's phone number in  Houston. They have a very detailed program!!!    Very, very important service.   Could argue without a doubt that there is none more important.

We are doing fairly well considering what we have to work with.  Kalindi Devi Dasi is recovering very well from her surgery.  We resumed our neighborhood walks.   I don't have much to report, just wanted to say howdy.  Sorry to hear the govmint revenuers are complicating your day.

HpS - Well, it is not the IRS.  That is pretty simple.  It seems that maybe we are over-extended because there is no one to do a lot of the work that a Corporation requires, such as IRS reports, so we are considering the resources and moving ahead.

Just finished reading the Quran.  Very interesting, I will give you my impressions the next time I see you.   The writer of this translation was assassinated in a mosque in Pheonix in 1990.  It is speculated that his was the first al qaeda murder in the U.S.    Kali yuga, tsk,tsk.

HpS - Wow!   There is a version called "The Koran Interpreted", older, little classical. The author's thesis as we understand, was that it is correct, as the Koran says, the Koran not in Arabic is not the Koran. He explains that the potency of the Koran is not in the intellectual content, which might be translated, but in the emotional potency, that of course depends upon the original language of the writer. So he tries to communicate the emotion before precise detail of the intellectual content, which he doesn't fault, but makes the emotional impact the greatest. It was written for simple people in the desert, no?

Share food, don't have sex with your Mother, love God who is the most kind and sees us and cares for us.

We will be on the lookout for postings of your trip to Seattle.  I don't remember if I told you this, but we cannot take a long train ride.  We would have to fly to Seattle.  We look forward to taking shelter of your association.  Until that time I remain,

Your humble servant,  Dave prabhu

HpS - Jaya! Always nice to hear from you. The more the better. We have a regular communication with Srivasa Pandita Das now.  He told us of his visit to Sacramento and starting to establish more relations there.
Our respects to the Kalindi!  We Text phone numbers.

Jay Guru Maharaj Acepte mis reverencias una y otra vez y que todas las Glorias sean a Srila Prabhupada 

Paramakaruna, Sri Sri Gaura Nitay ki jaya !

Hare Krishna Guru-Maharaj por favor acepte mis mas respetuosas reverencias a ud .Aun  me encuentro en Santiago de Chile, primero que nada quiero disculparme por ser tan negligente de no hacer reportes mas seguidos , y gracias a su misericordia siempre me eh mantenido ocupado en servicio siempre creciente . Entonces desde que me dio diksha empece a adorar a sus señorias aqui en el templo como servicio fijo todos los fines de semana desde el sabado al domingo a la noche programa completo . mientras que vivia arrendando con mi esposa y haciendo Sankyrtana . Luego en el mes de julio el pujari que estaba de lunes a viernes . tuvo algunas complicaciones , por lo cual el gbc pidio que se retire del servicio inmediatamente.. siendo esa la situacion y no habiendo realmente nadie que quiera o pueda adorar a sus señorias . tome el servicio temporalmente por dos semanas hasta que encontraran a alguien fijo , pasaron las dos semanas se hizo un mes... y con mi esposa decidimos hacernos cargo del servicio de pujari hasta el mes de enero. Cubriendo la Adoracion a la deidad de todos los dias en todos los turnos ya que realmente no hay nadie dispuesto... para todo esto dejamos el arriendo y nos vinimos a vivir al templo . lo cual es muy nectareo para nuestra vida espiritual . ( la idea es que algunos devotos hace poco tomaron segunda iniciacion entre ellos mi esposa Nitya Siddha Devi Dasi . para formar un grupo de devotos de la comunidad que se haga cargo cada uno un dia completo a la semana , para de esta manera no tener que estar contando con alguien fijo... ) hasta el dia de hoy eso no ah funcionado muy bien . Para todo esto en el templo hay tres Brahmacaris (dos son bhaktas) y dos madres (entre ellas mi esposa y una bhaktina) entonces el precidente del templo prabhu Amara viendo mi trato hacia ellos y encontrandoce en la situacion de que el comandante del templo tuvo tambien que dejar el servicio por diferentes razones . Me pidio si podia ser tambien el comandante del templo mientras estuviece aqui .. a lo cual acepte.. ( hace 1 semanas) Por otro lado nunca deje de pensar en ud ni un dia ademas de poder asistirlo mientras estoy ocupado en la adoracion.. estoy profundamente agradecido de todo lo que hace para ayudarnos a avanzar siendo que espiritualmente soy muy debil , hizo los arreglos para que hoy me encuentre ocupado todo el dia en un ambito de amoroso servio a los devotos y Srla Prabhupada. mi deuda hacia ud es eterna por lo cual oro de que cada dia me siga ocupando en asistir a los devotos y sirviendo a Paramakaruna Sri Sri Gaura Nitay !! asique mi saddhana es de mangalarati todos los dias pero mis rondas son siempre por la tarde ... Esperando ud este cada vez mas cerca de su maestro espiritual y orando por tener su asociacion personal lo mas pronto posible me despido . 

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare .
 
Su eterno y agradecido Sirviente Garga-acarya Das 

HpS - ASA -  Wow!   Super-hombre del mundo espiritual. Haz lo que puede bien! Por el fin, Gaura Nitai no son incapaz y pueden hacer cual quiere arregla que quieren.   Muy intenso su carta. Aparece algo desordanado en la Yatra si no hay devotos para tomar cargo de algo de la adoracion de los deidades.
Esperamos mejorando, y si podemos ayhudar nos ocupa.
Hare Krsna!!

Hare Krishna Gurumaharaja
Please, accept my humble obeisances
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I'm glad to tell you we're fine, generally speaking, light and dark situations appear and disappear that unsettles us a bit. Happily, we are learning to understand the nature of this world and our karmic relationship with it. Our japa has slightly improved , especially in quality,  , a pinch of taste sweetens our heart during the chanting. Our sadhana is maintained, it is sometimes difficult by the fact of coming home late a few days a week, but we attended Mangalaratik 5 times a week.

Indira Sakti and I are both studying the Srimad Bhagavatam, making summaries separately and individually reading other texts. We are collecting money to take the Bhakti Sastri course with Prabhu Param-padam, meanwhile, we study on our own.

I'm a little disappointed, I was in charge of communications in the temple, but they have rejected the work plan, the projects that I have been developing were rejected by the authorities. I tried to concentrate my efforts on communication between devotees (as you suggested) but they understand this as suspicious acts that promotes a plot. They strive to organize many festivals, but do not promote Saddhana or educational programs at all.

ASA - Interesting.

On the other hand, I told you before in a previous message that I had in mind to work on a modular education system for the yatra, but the devotee who promised to do it with me never replied to the mail. These things discourage me but I'm trying to make an effort to see Krsna's hand behind all this. Sometimes it is confusing because I lack the ability to know what He wants from me in these circumstances.

ASA - It is the same with us, but we are sure He wants us to chant as much as possible in any situation and at least 1728 good Maha-mantras on beads. When we do that we can see little by little what is the truth of our mind, body and association. We see that many times we don't get reciprocation from our authorities because they are doing so many things and we are a strange, new project to them, but after two weeks and pushing from a few different angles we finally got in touch with Anuttama Das, a very big and well related to us, GBC Secretary, and our friend. So we have scheduled a long talk on Thursday.

For now, we study, learn songs, serve the deity at home and work to make the japa and sadhana the center of our lives. You said that cleaning the temple can make a sincere devotee to  reach Goloka, we are taking this literally. I can not understand what my service to the temple is, nor how I can serve you, this doubt sometimes causes affliction, Gurudeva.

Finally Gurumaharaja, three devotees do not appear in the list of your disciples in the Jayarama website. I already made the comment a while ago, but it seems that there has been no opportunity todo it. I know that a list does not determine the sincere discipleship of a devotee but it would be very nice to be part of this group photo, as your disciples. We are the ones who were initiated on February 4, 2015 at ISKCON Lima: Tarangaksi devi dasi (Tania Chamilco, January 13, 1975), Gauri Devi Dasi (Gumercinda Miranda, January 13, 1950) and Gandharva dasa (Germán Vegas, June 28, 1967). I hope this does not cause a nuisance, Gurudeva.

HpS - Aieeee, Chihuahua!   I did not notice you mentioned this before. We will send a letter to Nama-acharya to make the update!!!   Thank you!!!

Hope yu're doing well Gurumaharaja

Thank you for your kind attention

Your servant

Gandharva dasa

HpS - Develope your personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada through his many means of access. Develope you relationships with your friends in ISKCON. Work with the institutional structure of ISKCON to make improvements. 1. 2. 3. O.K?

Thank you so, so, so much for your austerities.  They are real and lasting.