Letters to the editor

Hare Krishna, ISKCON being a multi guru association we have multi guru opinion and conclusions.

ASA - Yes. The Six Goswami's would meet and discuss philosophy, strategy, no?

Some say the initiation must be done by a liberated soul, because only a liberated soul can take you back to Godhead. So who is doing the actual guidance? Srila Prabhupada or mantra guru is initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? 

ASA - From what I have heard, Prabhupada's comment was that taking iniation formally, and receiving instruction formally or informally from him directly of from his disciple was both fully potent. The candidate, by the mercy of God and his own effort, has to do the work of seeing if the disciple-guru is bona fide. Not to any great level. Just to a practical level for the current level of work. Eg. is this disciple qualified to teach me how to put on Tilak at this beginning level. O.K.??

And regarding the initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada this guru is all for it absorbing the RITVIKS!

ASA - What does "absorbing the RITVIKS" mean???! Sounds a little sinister?? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BYzI4NmVhNmItYzAzNC00ZTJmLWExMjAtMjBjN2VjYWVmMDQwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzAxNjg3MjQ%40._V1_UY268_CR5%2C0%2C182%2C268_AL_.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0063350%2F&docid=2VHr1sTf-EsPEM&tbnid=etfcCak0NsE4KM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ..i&w=182&h=268&bih=713&biw=1235&q=the%20night%20of%20the%20living%20dead&ved=0ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

Punjabi Warrior - https://youtu.be/-bpdoMqzRAk

ASA - We started the video but is too slow for us. Can you just summarize in twenty words or less??

What is the diksa monkey gurus HPS opinion OR UNDERSTANDING? Is he taking disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and just acting as Siksa? Or HPS is a liberated soul and taking disciples as his disciples?

ASA - We answered in the Guru tattva link. We are basically basing our Guru tattva on NOI. At the end of Text Five, "In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises..." we understand that things can go on just as when Srila Prabhupada was here. In one letter I remember that is exactly what he suggested. We don't present ourselves as being any more liberated or qualified than Madhyama adhikari, second class devotee, so we give advice, Siksa, and perform the rituals, and accept disciples from that platform. We only accept people as disciples if they have personally accept Srila Prabhupada as an Uttama adhikari Guru.

As we know the history it was hard to get the beads to Srila Prabhupada while he was traveling so he authorized Jayatirtha, Brahmananda, Bhagavan et al to chant on the beads and Nitai or others were chosing the names often and recommendation from Temple President was enough for Prabhupada to accept someone as a disciple.

As far as I know Jayathirtha chanted on my beads, Bhakta Das recommended me for first initiation and Nita Das chose my name. Whose disciple am I. Ha! Ha! Ha Ray!!

Here are some videos of Sankirtan in Yuba City California where I try to distribute Srila Prabhupadas books to Punjabi’s and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWXwF78t9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

ASA - Really cool!!!! Photo of your self? Our fotos attached. Inside and out. Search for "Godbrother" on vedabase.io gives lot of nice instructions! Very nice videos!!!

And if I call a rubber stamped guru bogus because of having to sign a gag order of the GBC IS ok..🙏🏾

Did HPS sign a gag order that can be used against his guru license and can be suspended anytime?

HpS - ASA --- Hare Krsna. AGTSP.... Esteemed Sac Singh. Can we know a little more about you? Your questions seem to cover a lot of ground to give very specific answers.

Did you read our explanation of what is understanding of how we are giving initiation? It is at http://www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt . It is based on the NOI but I think it is quite complete enough for practical purposes.

O.K.?

I don't have the connection to look at the videos!!

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We have met in Sacramento and Berkeley. Currently I am studying the Iskcon Guru's business system of initiations which are confusing as hell, because each guru has a different understanding and the GBC police is making GURU's sign gag orders and they can suspend an ISKCON guru licence and ban, so the rubber stamped ISKCON GURUS are under the subjection of the GBC and not free to speak or act against a system which is not proper.

ASA - I didn't have to sign and "gag order" that I know of? I explain things as I understand them here and get some reactions, but not threat of annhiliation. For sure Krsna ksetra Das and I have similar ideas. With Jayapataka Swami of course we have variety but I personally asked him in class about six years ago if one had to be an Acharya with a BIG "A" to be a Guru in ISKCON and he said, no? The big A was Krsna's perogative.

After reading that guru tattva page. It seems two people are initiating. One is HPS and the other is Srila Prabhupada? So Srila Prabhupada is taking the initiate back to Godhead according to the article on this website! If Srila Prabhupada is taking HPS and HPS's disciples back to Godhead, it would mean HPS is unqualified to take you back to Godhead!

HpS - Reading and reading and then discussing with Harvard Oxford Scholars, Hrdayananda Goswami and Radhika-ramana Das they said the same thing that I concluded. We are not a ritualistic Sampradaya, Diksa Sampradaya. Our line passes through Siksa. So, I take that I am a Diksa guru because I "initiate according to the regulations of the śāstras", CC Madhya 8.128, and this is done under a system accepted by Srila Prabhupada. As long as a Madhyama Adhikari guru is following an Uttama Adhikari guru. we can follow him, no? Get Srila Prabhupada from his books, paramatma, other disciples etc!!!!

Why even bother with HPS formal initiation, why not take shelter of Srila Prabhupada directly ? Why doesn't HPS give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and say you take Srila Prabhupada as your guru because he is taking you back to Godhead, I HPS am just doing a formal duty to connect you to the Acharya.

HpS - We have explained our ideas on this above. Why not boy and girl just exchange garlands, and accept they are married? Seems O.K. in some situations.

This doesn't make sense..the initiating GURU (HPS) is not fit to take you back to godhead but he is initiating and saying Srila Prabhupada is going to take you back to Godhead.

HpS - Rather seems quite clear to me and hope the same to those who I am initiating. Just as Bhakta Das did the ceremony and recommended me and Jayatirtha Chanted on my beads. Krsna is God. Srila Prabhupada is our Guru as Founder Acharya and from those two perspectives we can have practical understanding how others in ISKCON represent Srila Prabhupada. You are working as Siksa guru in the videos. Why not just put the books there and walk away. (Pretty fiendish argument, no?)

IF HPS acts as siksa guru and sets an ideal example and you take a vow to chant Hare Krishna - 16 rounds and regulative principles, you don't need HPS but HPS can act as Siksa or a conduit of connection to Srila Prabhupada the Acharya.

HpS ._. Answered above, no? We are not opposed to people having as much direct relationship as they can with Srila Prabhupada. We are just trying to act as one channel. If that involves be a link in the formality of initiation. O.K. If that involves explaining the books O.K. but our only desire is to just be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupad and Krsna.

Right now I am reading Srila Prabhupada's dialectic spiritualism, an awesome read where he defeats bogus western systems of thinking etc.

HpS - We base like 90% of our current preaching on his las comment on Carl Jung. We are finding a really vibrant community to approach for communication Rupa Siksa.

Our "first disciple", Raktaka Das, was from Fazilka, District Ferozpur. We, he, had a very clear, practical understanding or our relationship with each other, other ISKCON devotees Guru nanak and Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your time. Has been very nice conversation. Maybe if we go anyfurther we can reset the history and just start with new questions and answers.

Hare Krsna Beloved Gurudeva:

AGTSP PAMHO

Thanks for your last response. I am chanting and little by little moving forward.

Palika and I are summoning one meeting in order to organize Your Sri Vyasa Puja. We wanted to gather the greater amount of God brothers and sisters. So that everybody can give their opinions.Lately, one devotee contacted me and told me that he was really depressed and thought about killing himself. So In my opinion it is nice to have these meetings specially when your Sri Vyasa Puja is coming. In order to try to be inclusive, help each other. And make the decisions by consensus.

I am not qualified, but Palika your treasurer for years is leading this meeting in order to have a nice festival with the participation of all.

I guess we need to work a lot in our proud and ego and try to keep the mentality of servants . There is always room for self-improvement (as you always say)

Any suggestions for this meeting!? Advices?

HpS - we answer by WhatsApp. 😀 post it here?

Personally my desire is to inform everyone and try to encourage devotees to participate in this magnanimous event.

Parasurama made the poster.

My sister asked me not to go to Houston is Christmas time. And she will be alone. Our first Christmas without mom :(

Thanks in advance,

Trying to be your disciple

Chandramukhi dd

HpS - Our respects to your sister

hope to see her soon.

HpS - AGTSP Sí, lo vimos. ¡Es un buen empujón! Por supuesto, nos gustaría tener acceso a tantos libros en español como podamos para el Sankirtan, pero también podemos apreciar que no debemos ser flojos y esperar que hagas el trabajo. ¿Cómo pueden los devotos hispanos contactarte para ayudarlos a moverlos, subirlos!

PnD - Cualquier devoto que quiera ayudar puede escribirme un correo electrónico a [email protected] o contactar a través de FB (Prahlad-nrsimha Das Hps). Es fácil, cualquiera que tenga computadora, tiempo y ganas de hacerlo podrá hacerlo.

Hay una gran demanda de Brahma Samhita en inglés, que todavía no existe. Así que espero terminarlo muy pronto y luego trabajaré en pequeños libros en español que estaban en versión .com.

Para CC esperaré si alguien quiere ayudar.

Una vez que todos los libros en español de .com estén en línea, le pediré a BBT en español los archivos más recientes para más libros y podemos tenerlos en línea todos.

[A ti, Gurumaharaja:] Hoy subí Light of the Bhāgavata en inglés. No tengo buenas fotos y creo que son bastante importantes para ese libro. ¿Es posible obtener imágenes de usted si todavía las tiene (si las redimensionaré a un tamaño más pequeño) o debería tratar de obtenerlas de los Archivos Bhaktivedanta?

HpS - Escríbeme en Yahoo sobre las imágenes LOB. Espero que algunos devotos latinos se unan a este trabajo. Traduciremos esta carta al español.

Tu sirviente Prahlad Nrsimha das

HpS - AGTSP Yes, we saw that. It is nice push! Of course, we would like to have access to as many books in Spanish as we can have for the Sankirtan, but we can also appreciate that we should not be lazy and expect you to do the work. How can Hispanic devotees contact you to help move them, upload them!!!

PnD - Any devotee who wants to help can write me email to [email protected] or contact through FB (Prahlad-nrsimha Das Hps). It is easy, everybody who has computer, time and desire to do it will be able to.

There is big demand for English Brahma Samhita, which is not there yet. So I hope to finish that one very soon and then I will work on small Spanish books which were in .com version.

For CC I will wait if somebody will want to help.

Once all Spanish books from .com will be online I will ask Spanish BBT for latest files for more books and we can have them online all.

[To you, Gurumaharaja:] Today I uploaded Light of the Bhāgavata in English. I don't have any good pictures and I think they are pretty important to have for that book. Is it possible to get pictures from you if you still have them (if I will resize them to smaller size) or should I try to get them from Bhaktivedanta Archives?

HpS - Write to me on Yahoo about the LOB pictures. I hope that some Latin devotees join this work. We will translate this letter in to Spanish.

Your servant Prahlad Nrsimha das

Hare Krishna, ISKCON being a multi guru association we have multi guru opinion and conclusions. 

Some say the initiation must be done by a liberated soul, because only a liberated soul can take you back to Godhead. So who is doing the actual guidance? Srila Prabhupada or mantra guru is initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? 

And regarding the initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada this guru is all for it absorbing the RITVIKS!

https://youtu.be/-bpdoMqzRAk

What is the diksa monkey gurus HPS opinion OR UNDERSTANDING? Is he taking disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and just acting as Siksa? Or HPS is a liberated soul and taking disciples as his disciples?

Here are some videos of Sankirtan in Yuba City California where I try to distribute Srila Prabhupadas books to Punjabi’s and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWXwF78t9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

And if I call a rubber stamped guru bogus because of having to sign a gag order of the GBC IS ok..🙏🏾

Did HPS sign a gag order that can be used against his guru license and can be suspended anytime?

HpS - ASA --- Hare Krsna. AGTSP.... Esteemed Sac Singh. Can we know a little more about you? Your questions seem to cover a lot of ground to give very specific answers.

Did you read our explanation of what is understanding of how we are giving initiation? It is at http://www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt . It is based on the NOI but I think it is quite complete enough for practical purposes.

O.K.?

I don't have the connection to look at the videos!!

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

Obeisances Gurudeva 

Still, in ISKCON Callao, it was a great experience, I feel very fortunate. 

So, we need your help, please write a text talking about the propose of this service, this magazine called "MOLINOS DE VIENTO", I think that "LUCHANDO CONTRA MOLINOS DE VIENTO" is so long for the title. What do you think? Do you have a better name?

HpS - AGTSP!!! I dont know Spanish culture so well, but it sounds like a good title. We are fighting with the Wind Mills of the mind.

I remember that your desire for this project is found our identity and the union of the congregation of ISKCON Chile. So, we need your words to put it in our first step. 

Thank you very much, Gurudeva. 

Hare Krishna 

Your insignificant aspirant 

Bhakta Piero

HpS - All we can do is remember what we have heard from Srila Prabhupada and others in terms of his wisdom. The periodical is the back-bone of the community. It allows everyone to see what everyone else is doing and then co-operate in our Sankirtan.

Of course, start with what you, the editor, want to communicate, and then what others want to communicate and then the format, content, sections, rhythm of the periodical with develope naturally.