Letters to the editor

Hare Krishna, ISKCON being a multi guru association we have multi guru opinion and conclusions.

ASA - Yes. The Six Goswami's would meet and discuss philosophy, strategy, no?

Some say the initiation must be done by a liberated soul, because only a liberated soul can take you back to Godhead. So who is doing the actual guidance? Srila Prabhupada or mantra guru is initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? 

ASA - From what I have heard, Prabhupada's comment was that taking iniation formally, and receiving instruction formally or informally from him directly of from his disciple was both fully potent. The candidate, by the mercy of God and his own effort, has to do the work of seeing if the disciple-guru is bona fide. Not to any great level. Just to a practical level for the current level of work. Eg. is this disciple qualified to teach me how to put on Tilak at this beginning level. O.K.??

And regarding the initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada this guru is all for it absorbing the RITVIKS!

ASA - What does "absorbing the RITVIKS" mean???! Sounds a little sinister?? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BYzI4NmVhNmItYzAzNC00ZTJmLWExMjAtMjBjN2VjYWVmMDQwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzAxNjg3MjQ%40._V1_UY268_CR5%2C0%2C182%2C268_AL_.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0063350%2F&docid=2VHr1sTf-EsPEM&tbnid=etfcCak0NsE4KM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ..i&w=182&h=268&bih=713&biw=1235&q=the%20night%20of%20the%20living%20dead&ved=0ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

Punjabi Warrior - https://youtu.be/-bpdoMqzRAk

ASA - We started the video but is too slow for us. Can you just summarize in twenty words or less??

What is the diksa monkey gurus HPS opinion OR UNDERSTANDING? Is he taking disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and just acting as Siksa? Or HPS is a liberated soul and taking disciples as his disciples?

ASA - We answered in the Guru tattva link. We are basically basing our Guru tattva on NOI. At the end of Text Five, "In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises..." we understand that things can go on just as when Srila Prabhupada was here. In one letter I remember that is exactly what he suggested. We don't present ourselves as being any more liberated or qualified than Madhyama adhikari, second class devotee, so we give advice, Siksa, and perform the rituals, and accept disciples from that platform. We only accept people as disciples if they have personally accept Srila Prabhupada as an Uttama adhikari Guru.

As we know the history it was hard to get the beads to Srila Prabhupada while he was traveling so he authorized Jayatirtha, Brahmananda, Bhagavan et al to chant on the beads and Nitai or others were chosing the names often and recommendation from Temple President was enough for Prabhupada to accept someone as a disciple.

As far as I know Jayathirtha chanted on my beads, Bhakta Das recommended me for first initiation and Nita Das chose my name. Whose disciple am I. Ha! Ha! Ha Ray!!

Here are some videos of Sankirtan in Yuba City California where I try to distribute Srila Prabhupadas books to Punjabi’s and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWXwF78t9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

ASA - Really cool!!!! Photo of your self? Our fotos attached. Inside and out. Search for "Godbrother" on vedabase.io gives lot of nice instructions! Very nice videos!!!

And if I call a rubber stamped guru bogus because of having to sign a gag order of the GBC IS ok..🙏🏾

Did HPS sign a gag order that can be used against his guru license and can be suspended anytime?

HpS - ASA --- Hare Krsna. AGTSP.... Esteemed Sac Singh. Can we know a little more about you? Your questions seem to cover a lot of ground to give very specific answers.

Did you read our explanation of what is understanding of how we are giving initiation? It is at http://www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt . It is based on the NOI but I think it is quite complete enough for practical purposes.

O.K.?

I don't have the connection to look at the videos!!

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We have met in Sacramento and Berkeley. Currently I am studying the Iskcon Guru's business system of initiations which are confusing as hell, because each guru has a different understanding and the GBC police is making GURU's sign gag orders and they can suspend an ISKCON guru licence and ban, so the rubber stamped ISKCON GURUS are under the subjection of the GBC and not free to speak or act against a system which is not proper.

ASA - I didn't have to sign and "gag order" that I know of? I explain things as I understand them here and get some reactions, but not threat of annhiliation. For sure Krsna ksetra Das and I have similar ideas. With Jayapataka Swami of course we have variety but I personally asked him in class about six years ago if one had to be an Acharya with a BIG "A" to be a Guru in ISKCON and he said, no? The big A was Krsna's perogative.

After reading that guru tattva page. It seems two people are initiating. One is HPS and the other is Srila Prabhupada? So Srila Prabhupada is taking the initiate back to Godhead according to the article on this website! If Srila Prabhupada is taking HPS and HPS's disciples back to Godhead, it would mean HPS is unqualified to take you back to Godhead!

HpS - Reading and reading and then discussing with Harvard Oxford Scholars, Hrdayananda Goswami and Radhika-ramana Das they said the same thing that I concluded. We are not a ritualistic Sampradaya, Diksa Sampradaya. Our line passes through Siksa. So, I take that I am a Diksa guru because I "initiate according to the regulations of the śāstras", CC Madhya 8.128, and this is done under a system accepted by Srila Prabhupada. As long as a Madhyama Adhikari guru is following an Uttama Adhikari guru. we can follow him, no? Get Srila Prabhupada from his books, paramatma, other disciples etc!!!!

Why even bother with HPS formal initiation, why not take shelter of Srila Prabhupada directly ? Why doesn't HPS give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and say you take Srila Prabhupada as your guru because he is taking you back to Godhead, I HPS am just doing a formal duty to connect you to the Acharya.

HpS - We have explained our ideas on this above. Why not boy and girl just exchange garlands, and accept they are married? Seems O.K. in some situations.

This doesn't make sense..the initiating GURU (HPS) is not fit to take you back to godhead but he is initiating and saying Srila Prabhupada is going to take you back to Godhead.

HpS - Rather seems quite clear to me and hope the same to those who I am initiating. Just as Bhakta Das did the ceremony and recommended me and Jayatirtha Chanted on my beads. Krsna is God. Srila Prabhupada is our Guru as Founder Acharya and from those two perspectives we can have practical understanding how others in ISKCON represent Srila Prabhupada. You are working as Siksa guru in the videos. Why not just put the books there and walk away. (Pretty fiendish argument, no?)

IF HPS acts as siksa guru and sets an ideal example and you take a vow to chant Hare Krishna - 16 rounds and regulative principles, you don't need HPS but HPS can act as Siksa or a conduit of connection to Srila Prabhupada the Acharya.

HpS ._. Answered above, no? We are not opposed to people having as much direct relationship as they can with Srila Prabhupada. We are just trying to act as one channel. If that involves be a link in the formality of initiation. O.K. If that involves explaining the books O.K. but our only desire is to just be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupad and Krsna.

Right now I am reading Srila Prabhupada's dialectic spiritualism, an awesome read where he defeats bogus western systems of thinking etc.

HpS - We base like 90% of our current preaching on his las comment on Carl Jung. We are finding a really vibrant community to approach for communication Rupa Siksa.

Our "first disciple", Raktaka Das, was from Fazilka, District Ferozpur. We, he, had a very clear, practical understanding or our relationship with each other, other ISKCON devotees Guru nanak and Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your time. Has been very nice conversation. Maybe if we go anyfurther we can reset the history and just start with new questions and answers.

Hare Krsna Beloved Gurudeva:

AGTSP

PAMHO

I was wondering that since amavasya is coming, in the next KD the KPC may be written not just in the part of Letters to the Editor. It can be put in the Calendar, for example. So that the readers must read the whole KD in order to get the Priority Code.

ASA - Haw! Haw! Haw Ray! The same devious thoughs passed through our demented brains also. Ha! Ha! Hare! Maybe we wait on more issue (Piggy of Compassionate Heart) before we start to hide it in devious ways (Monkey of Cunning Mind)?

Tomorrow is my last class in the Diplomado of Teaching English as a Second Language. It lasted for 4 months. But it was really intense.

HpS - So now you can have more time for Brahminical activities???!!!! Recover your lost soul. Spend more time in the Groves of Vrndavana with your sister with Krsna? What is you Mission? Girl espionage agent for Golokula? Our lives are only booring or frustrating because we are not responding to the invitations from the Gopis and Radha krsna, and the cow herd boys!! Are you going to take Ulysses, Meow, your sister, mother, father, et al back to Goloka?

See you soon

Trying to be your disciple

Candramukhi dd

ASA - Very soon!

todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupadal

todas las glorias Sri sri Goura Nitay

Hare Krishna Guru.M comienzo mi reporte contando que ya tengo servicio fijo de cocina a la deidad dos días a la semana, domingo ofrenda a 5 :35 de la tarde y los lunes 6:35 de la mañana ademas de limpieza , estoy muy contenta ya que krishna me dio tiempo para hacer servicio. también le cuento Renato el niño con que trabajo comenzó a socializar y jugar con los niños de su casa , fue un trabajo lento pero lo logramos, es un poco tímido. Por ultimo le cuento que sigo con mi sadhana diario ,rondas ,lectura ademas del b. sastri y curso de dicipulos Esto es todo por ahora , nos vemos en el programa de la mañana .

se despide su humilde sirvienta Raman reti devi dasi

HpS - Es un gran placer tener su asociacion aqui cada dia, manana in Santiago. Su clase era bien inspirador y profundo. Posible puede aumenatar la program por la manyana en el Templo gradualmente incluyendo profundizar la recitacion de los offenses, Siksastaka. Por ejemplo cominenza aprender palabral por palabra el significado del Siksastakam! Nos vemos manyanan.

Abhirama Das and Caitanya candra Das have communicated with us about a calendar for Lima. Here are the suggestions.

translate.google.com --- Abhirama Das y Caitanya candra Das se han comunicado con nosotros sobre un calendario para Lima. Aquí están las sugerencias

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3 December, Tuesday - 7.30PM arrive Lima. Go to Iskcon La Perla, Poggi Park, and make camp.

4th, Wednesday - Talk with CCD, Latin American GBC Committee on Mexico Problems meeting 10AM.

5th, Thursday - Maybe SB in Wilson and Bellas Artes. Some time release of Juan Agave's book with ministry of education and meeting with Oscar, Miguel Polo and Hector Bejar.

6th Friday - Maybe meet with Peru School of Drama.

7th Saturday - Ekadasi, Gita Jayanti... Public (ISKCON INVITED!!) program with San Marcos or La Catolica etc. Minstry of Education meeting on line at 6.30AM

8th Sunday - Go to Chosika early for Govinda, class, meeting with Karuna, Laksmana, Gandharva Das et al. Back to La Perla, Poggi Park, in the afternoon.

9th - Open

10th Tuesday - Lima (8AM) to Mexico (1.15PM) Aero Mexico.

We need to shop for gifts for USA, Mexico. We need to pack Solaris magazines.

Any suggestions???

Hare Krishna, dear Gurumaharaj, Pamho, AGTSP!

I am very excited about our team that are {is} building an educational project. They are very professional people, very knowledgeable in the subject. It really was a revelation.

HpS - AGTSP!!! Paoho. We are very enthused by this also!! Here in Chile there are the same class of people. Please write and article about what is happening for the next issue of Viplavah and then Jayam!!! The next revolution is about to happen. Catch the wave! YOu can probably just edit this letter a little bit. Post it here and I can edit the English and put it in the next Viplavah. Title might be, Start a Public School - Teaching the Essence?

Yesterday we had our second meeting, already talking about the plan. We are already clear in "Who we are". We brainstormed more about the character we want to give to the school. On the one hand we take some external distance from ISKCON, but the essence is there, however, we want something even more open and inclusive. Therefore, Avanti schools does not fit in what we want.

Our vision is much more inclusive, a broader curriculum. We are reviewing important documents of the Ministry of Education of Peru and the requirements to open an educational center. We are studying several currents and educational proposals such as Waldorf, Montessori, Asiris (the one we visited) and modern thinkers like Vigostky, Ausbel, Brunner, Paulo Freire and Peruvians also like Walter Peñaloza. We want to have a vision of everything good there is to see what fits our goals. Ultimately, what Prabhupa wanted

HpS - One model that Prabhupada gave was 1. Help the students investigate what is matter. This can include modern science, but also good training in Ayurveda, Jyotis-veda, etc. Vedic view of matter. The general conclusion is that matter is not enough to explain everything eg. Free will, desire for immortallity, happiness, so, 2. What is the Atma, the self, that desires these things and 3. The distinction between Atma and Paramtama. This are known by so many names by so many educators, no? Paramatma is appreciated by meditation, insight, intuition. Then Bhagavan... Prabhupada suggested that in the secular atmosphere at that time that we not deal with it, but if people got educated, woke up, to the level of Paramtama they would ask you personally about Bhagavan or find Him in their own religion. Of course, the curriculum could include mono-theism as comparative religious study, no?

The vision should lead to an appropriate, truly innovative methodology, something that makes everyone want to put their children in our school. More contact with nature, less information technology, more real experiences. There are deadlines and things to keep in mind, very technical and specific. The enthusiasm is there. I will give you reports as our proposal takes shape.

The second point is that I am concerned about the slow pace with which we are advancing in the educational area at ISKCON. I don't want to be unfair, devotees have many responsibilities. But remember that it was three years ago or a little more that a meeting was held at Wilson after NIMSAR died. There, you suggested to have meetings periodically. Even that meeting was seen as a new post-MINSAR era. You went to Argentina or Chile and suggested we meet in your absence. That meeting did not happen, nor were there ever more educational meetings with people interested in the issue.

Perhaps those in charge have another vision, other perspectives. I remember talking to P. Mathures about 10 years ago about the importance of internal communication. It may be that the authorities are doing a lot, but as there is no communication we cannot blame the devotees who say that the authorities do nothing. The only communications we have is about who the new bosses are or if someone is going to be sanctioned and those things. I believe that communication is a powerful tool to keep the enthusiasm in devotees, so they feel included, so they feel as an important part of ISKCON and therefore they feel incline to participate more.

HpS - Yes, what about Jayam? ART Das is sufering from lack of collaborators. People read it. We will post our calendar plan for The Lima on the Blog next. Lettuce meat.

I always meditate on two things that Srila Prabhupada told us, which I consider fundamental for the development of ISKCON:

COOPERATION AND UNITY IN DIVERSITY.

Those two factors combined in acintya-bhedabheda- tattva is what will keep us as a sustainable institution in space and time, I believe.

HpS - What about COOPERATION AND UNITY IN DIVERSITY FOR RADHARANI???

And this occurs when the projects are participatory, and communicate, and are put to the consideration of the devotees. But the sankirtan movement, the sankirtan army of Lord Caitanya becomes a disjointed group of people. As I say, in scattered snipers. And a war is not win with snipers, it is win with a well-assembled army.

ASA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_strategy Comments from General B. Baboon?

So, I think we lack a lot of that, and also in the educational field. Personally I work by inspiration, not by instruction and I have to draw inspiration and enthusiasm on my own. I feel like one more sniper. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe my vision is too pessimistic. That is why I put these issues to your consideration.

HpS - Not time to detailed thought. Maybe not needed. I agree with you. Like you say, everybody is very busy. The people in administration are many times people working just like you and me AND doing the EXTRA austerity of institutional managment. Of course, sometimes they are Vena Maharajas and the great Brahmana's have to ask the two change, but if they don't then destroy them with "high pitched sound". I guess that is internet in the modern age. Haw! Haw! Haw! Managing the ISKCON institution is necessary, but to me I see a complex situation. Lot of variety. Think is just what you are doing. Clarify who you are in terms of Srila Prabhupada then estabish relationships with others.

ASA Blog, Peru School, Jayam??? ??

A practical point is that I don't know what is being done about recovering ISKCON Peru as a Bhakti sastri examination center. It has been a long time. And not to mention being Bhakti Vaibhava center. I have BVB students who frequently ask me about that and I feel that I am disappointing them, I don't know what to tell them. I have thought of giving them an ASA Pada Padma diploma, at least. Hopefully something concrete will be implemented soon to take a Pada Padma exam that would make my students more enthusiastic. And have the possibility to start this program with devotees Bhakti sastris who wish to continue studying systematically.

HpS - I am struggling, the BOEX, is struggling at the global level. Have you talked with the Gandharva Das about this? Can you talk with him??? I think there has actually been work to establish this!

Thank you very much, dear Gurumaharaj for listening to me.

I hope to talk with you about these issues in Lima.

Hopefully everything will be adjusted so that Srila Prabhupada is proud that his disciples and disciples of his disciples are fulfilling their wishes in the educational area.

ASA - TB -- https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/war-strategy.html for Prabhupada!!!

Your servant,

Laksmana-agraja

HpS - ASA -- Now post Calendar for Lima...

Dear Hanumath Presaka Swami, please accept my humbles reverences, all Glories to Srila Prabupada and his sincere followers! 

How is it going? I hope you are well in all aspects. It has been a month since you were in Madrid giving a lecture about Jung at the University and I am writing to keep in touch.

The director of the Institute of Religion Sciences of the Complutense University of Madrid told me the day of your lecture about the possibility of formalizing relations with NIOS by signing a collaboration agreement between Institutes. In the next few days I will continue talking with him to know the details, I will keep you informed.

HpS - AGTSP! Very nice to hear from you??? PhD??? Japa??? We have had Convenios with San Marcos University in Peru. What about Universidad Valencia where Yadu Swami is working? The project could be Education and the Sacred. We heard that the current minister of education in Chile wants to include religion in the curriculum again so people can become peaceful but the political parties so that they do not want it because religion makes people stupid. Jagat guru das commented that before when it was a state religion, catholicism that seemed to be true. They were only teacher catholic dogma and the priests were abusing the children, but what we could do is cooperate with Complutense to design a curriculum that we consider religion from a scientific perspective, rational, empiricism .... what is matter, what is atma, what is paramatma, which would include different relgious representatives ini the curriculum design. It could included an overview of different religions and relgion in contrast to other philosophies of nature such as science.

I would also like to contact the Superior School of Dramatic Arts for when you visit us again in Spain.

HpS - Yes, that is one of our strongest areas even within academic perspective. Let us stay in touch on that. We will do the same in Peru next week. Maybe we could have an international collaboration on the history of drama theory India, Greece, London and Madrid.

Hamlet, Arjuna and Sancho Panzo!

On a personal level I am singing 16 rounds a day for a month,

HpS - My God. Satan is weeping in frustration!!

I am reading the BG and NOD and my intention is to begin to follow the 4 regulatory principles strictly to be able to ask you to iniciate me in singing the Holy Names.

HpS - Different people have different attractions. Some for political power, some to dominate the opposite sex, some intoxication!!!! "If you want to get free from intoxication, take the austerity to cook nice lunch for Krsna", Tom Brown

I want to move to an apartment to live alone to be able to prepare and offer food to Krsna and follow my Sadana without family disturbances, what do you advise me?

HpS - You seem to be one step ahead of us. Try it for two months?

I want to thank you for your patience and time.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

Hare Krsna !!

HpS - Thank you for reading the Kapi Dhvaja. It goes again tomorrow.