Letters to the editor

Hare Krsna.

AGTSP paoho......

We just anwered about 10,000 letters, no? Well seems like a lot. We have good computer on loan from Jagat guru Das's bossm but even still now we are getting eye strain and a head ache. Death is God's way of telling you it is time to slow down.

• We need to make a video for Maharsi Das, MOE, etc about increasing reading and distributing books.
• We need to answer Dr. Samaresh's chat!
• We need to go to Temple, we GET to go to the Temple for Arati and NOI class.
• We need to post a summary of the "Education and the Sacred" (just had some heart arthymias. Ie heart missing beats. Really we can die at any moment now.) so that Radhika can approach Francis Clooney, we can write to Shonu Shyamdasini et al!!
• We feel that if chant our rounds better we will understand how to do all this with priority.

O. K. Bath and go to Temple. Japa, Arati, Class!!!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

All glories to you and all your service.

I hope that your health is better.

HpS - AGTSP paoho. This letter is very old. We met with Lalita in the temple since you wrote this. It has been very inspiring to see you both here. Thank you!! Actually our health is worse, as expected. We are expecting to die, but is O.K. to do Sankirtan.

Please accept my respectful obeisances dear Guru Maharaja, first of all I apologize for the lack of report and communication with you by this means, although we are always connected in service, mind and heart.

I tell him that we are with Lalita in the restaurant, managing and cooking together. It has been an arduous job, thanks to the Lord we achieved a definitive patent where all legal, were months of hard service, a lot of delivery, painting, making arrangements, resting little, we believe that thanks to the mercy of Lord Krishna everything flowed as I need.

HpS - Yes, I see the result. I think that you two and your service are in the top 15% of ISKCON devotees. You must have had a wonderful father!!

Lalita Madhava has been a fundamental support and has been able to give the right word at all times, an excellent devotee, it inspires me a lot, a blessing to be by her {his} side.

On the other hand, it has been more than a year since my father left the body, we cannot deny how much he is missed, I ask you for advice,: How bad is it for my spiritual life, to stick to my father's memory and my mother's pain? my mother and siblings are in the field, the ones visited often, they like prasadam very much, she lights maha incenses and until she learned to cook vegetarian bakery, it is very favorable.

HpS - It is natural to feel separation from you family. If you papa got a job in China in 1925 and you all said good bye to him at the wharf, boat, you would naturally feel separation. But there would be letters, telegrams, and for sure meet again. Help your family to the eternal world.

We are eager to have your association, we really need Guru Maharaja, Krishna through see you in November here in Iskcon Santiago de Chile.

HpS - Hope to see in 52-minutes.

At your Service, Manjulali Devi Dasi.

ASA - One client for the restaurant below.

previous report : https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/10541/

date: 26 oct 2019

Hare Krsna Maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP

Its tough for us it seems. May be very very insincere, continuing from the last life. May be we are fanatic/crazy/impractical. Our experiments are not giving fruitful results. May be we are too ambitious or fickle.

HpS - Maybe. Should be some result from trying things. Drink enough water and you see the result.

We had deadly fight with spouse again, she left for atleast 7 days outside home, not known to us. Frankly speaking we are feeling less agitated, drained out emotionally. But household chores, kid studies and job taking toll on us. We are able to hear more, because now we dont need to compromise for any one.

HpS - Your fault, her fault, kids fault, Kali's fault??? How to adjust for everyone's satisfaction. In our meetings she seems like a nice person. Of course, that may not be enough, even two nice people, in Kali yuga for perfect marriage.

Without good association to look at the details of the relationship it is impossible to judge whether the wife or husband is the bigger devil. Try to get your marriage part of a village.

Trying to find out local help (online/offline)...

HpS . Yes!!!

passionate monkey

harsh

previous report :https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/10498/

current report :21 oct

missed report :25 sept, 9 oct

hare krsna maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP

Finding it tough to get proper place in ISKCON. what is ISKCON, which ISKCON we sill stay near,,we dont know...hanging out in the middle, to see if we can above monkey business.

HpS - Same for us exactly. So we chant Hare Krsna at Srila Prabhupada´s feet and then he enligtens us.

you were busy hence we got excuse to not write to you..

rounds 16 average but great difficulty. but anything less than 16 seems a problem for us, internally. we dont think things externally will improve anyway.. we dont know how they will improve.. just firing bullets, might hurt any one.

not finding example like us to copy is strange... but anyways lets accumulate sukriti what esle can be said.

thank you for being pure.

monkey

HpS - Not finding example for us and not finding similar friends also. Maybe Krsna is a jealous lover. Doesn{t want to share us with anybody.

Hare Krishna, ISKCON being a multi guru association we have multi guru opinion and conclusions.

ASA - Yes. The Six Goswami's would meet and discuss philosophy, strategy, no?

Some say the initiation must be done by a liberated soul, because only a liberated soul can take you back to Godhead. So who is doing the actual guidance? Srila Prabhupada or mantra guru is initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada? 

ASA - From what I have heard, Prabhupada's comment was that taking iniation formally, and receiving instruction formally or informally from him directly of from his disciple was both fully potent. The candidate, by the mercy of God and his own effort, has to do the work of seeing if the disciple-guru is bona fide. Not to any great level. Just to a practical level for the current level of work. Eg. is this disciple qualified to teach me how to put on Tilak at this beginning level. O.K.??

And regarding the initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada this guru is all for it absorbing the RITVIKS!

ASA - What does "absorbing the RITVIKS" mean???! Sounds a little sinister?? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BYzI4NmVhNmItYzAzNC00ZTJmLWExMjAtMjBjN2VjYWVmMDQwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzAxNjg3MjQ%40._V1_UY268_CR5%2C0%2C182%2C268_AL_.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0063350%2F&docid=2VHr1sTf-EsPEM&tbnid=etfcCak0NsE4KM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ..i&w=182&h=268&bih=713&biw=1235&q=the%20night%20of%20the%20living%20dead&ved=0ahUKEwj4g4bLiIbmAhUOIrkGHTfPDWMQMwhhKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

Punjabi Warrior - https://youtu.be/-bpdoMqzRAk

ASA - We started the video but is too slow for us. Can you just summarize in twenty words or less??

What is the diksa monkey gurus HPS opinion OR UNDERSTANDING? Is he taking disciples on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and just acting as Siksa? Or HPS is a liberated soul and taking disciples as his disciples?

ASA - We answered in the Guru tattva link. We are basically basing our Guru tattva on NOI. At the end of Text Five, "In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises..." we understand that things can go on just as when Srila Prabhupada was here. In one letter I remember that is exactly what he suggested. We don't present ourselves as being any more liberated or qualified than Madhyama adhikari, second class devotee, so we give advice, Siksa, and perform the rituals, and accept disciples from that platform. We only accept people as disciples if they have personally accept Srila Prabhupada as an Uttama adhikari Guru.

As we know the history it was hard to get the beads to Srila Prabhupada while he was traveling so he authorized Jayatirtha, Brahmananda, Bhagavan et al to chant on the beads and Nitai or others were chosing the names often and recommendation from Temple President was enough for Prabhupada to accept someone as a disciple.

As far as I know Jayathirtha chanted on my beads, Bhakta Das recommended me for first initiation and Nita Das chose my name. Whose disciple am I. Ha! Ha! Ha Ray!!

Here are some videos of Sankirtan in Yuba City California where I try to distribute Srila Prabhupadas books to Punjabi’s and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWXwF78t9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6qx4C9McE

ASA - Really cool!!!! Photo of your self? Our fotos attached. Inside and out. Search for "Godbrother" on vedabase.io gives lot of nice instructions! Very nice videos!!!

And if I call a rubber stamped guru bogus because of having to sign a gag order of the GBC IS ok..🙏🏾

Did HPS sign a gag order that can be used against his guru license and can be suspended anytime?

HpS - ASA --- Hare Krsna. AGTSP.... Esteemed Sac Singh. Can we know a little more about you? Your questions seem to cover a lot of ground to give very specific answers.

Did you read our explanation of what is understanding of how we are giving initiation? It is at http://www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt . It is based on the NOI but I think it is quite complete enough for practical purposes.

O.K.?

I don't have the connection to look at the videos!!

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We have met in Sacramento and Berkeley. Currently I am studying the Iskcon Guru's business system of initiations which are confusing as hell, because each guru has a different understanding and the GBC police is making GURU's sign gag orders and they can suspend an ISKCON guru licence and ban, so the rubber stamped ISKCON GURUS are under the subjection of the GBC and not free to speak or act against a system which is not proper.

ASA - I didn't have to sign and "gag order" that I know of? I explain things as I understand them here and get some reactions, but not threat of annhiliation. For sure Krsna ksetra Das and I have similar ideas. With Jayapataka Swami of course we have variety but I personally asked him in class about six years ago if one had to be an Acharya with a BIG "A" to be a Guru in ISKCON and he said, no? The big A was Krsna's perogative.

After reading that guru tattva page. It seems two people are initiating. One is HPS and the other is Srila Prabhupada? So Srila Prabhupada is taking the initiate back to Godhead according to the article on this website! If Srila Prabhupada is taking HPS and HPS's disciples back to Godhead, it would mean HPS is unqualified to take you back to Godhead!

HpS - Reading and reading and then discussing with Harvard Oxford Scholars, Hrdayananda Goswami and Radhika-ramana Das they said the same thing that I concluded. We are not a ritualistic Sampradaya, Diksa Sampradaya. Our line passes through Siksa. So, I take that I am a Diksa guru because I "initiate according to the regulations of the śāstras", CC Madhya 8.128, and this is done under a system accepted by Srila Prabhupada. As long as a Madhyama Adhikari guru is following an Uttama Adhikari guru. we can follow him, no? Get Srila Prabhupada from his books, paramatma, other disciples etc!!!!

Why even bother with HPS formal initiation, why not take shelter of Srila Prabhupada directly ? Why doesn't HPS give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and say you take Srila Prabhupada as your guru because he is taking you back to Godhead, I HPS am just doing a formal duty to connect you to the Acharya.

HpS - We have explained our ideas on this above. Why not boy and girl just exchange garlands, and accept they are married? Seems O.K. in some situations.

This doesn't make sense..the initiating GURU (HPS) is not fit to take you back to godhead but he is initiating and saying Srila Prabhupada is going to take you back to Godhead.

HpS - Rather seems quite clear to me and hope the same to those who I am initiating. Just as Bhakta Das did the ceremony and recommended me and Jayatirtha Chanted on my beads. Krsna is God. Srila Prabhupada is our Guru as Founder Acharya and from those two perspectives we can have practical understanding how others in ISKCON represent Srila Prabhupada. You are working as Siksa guru in the videos. Why not just put the books there and walk away. (Pretty fiendish argument, no?)

IF HPS acts as siksa guru and sets an ideal example and you take a vow to chant Hare Krishna - 16 rounds and regulative principles, you don't need HPS but HPS can act as Siksa or a conduit of connection to Srila Prabhupada the Acharya.

HpS ._. Answered above, no? We are not opposed to people having as much direct relationship as they can with Srila Prabhupada. We are just trying to act as one channel. If that involves be a link in the formality of initiation. O.K. If that involves explaining the books O.K. but our only desire is to just be a transparent via media to Srila Prabhupad and Krsna.

Right now I am reading Srila Prabhupada's dialectic spiritualism, an awesome read where he defeats bogus western systems of thinking etc.

HpS - We base like 90% of our current preaching on his las comment on Carl Jung. We are finding a really vibrant community to approach for communication Rupa Siksa.

Our "first disciple", Raktaka Das, was from Fazilka, District Ferozpur. We, he, had a very clear, practical understanding or our relationship with each other, other ISKCON devotees Guru nanak and Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your time. Has been very nice conversation. Maybe if we go anyfurther we can reset the history and just start with new questions and answers.

Hare Krsna Beloved Gurudeva:

AGTSP

PAMHO

I was wondering that since amavasya is coming, in the next KD the KPC may be written not just in the part of Letters to the Editor. It can be put in the Calendar, for example. So that the readers must read the whole KD in order to get the Priority Code.

ASA - Haw! Haw! Haw Ray! The same devious thoughs passed through our demented brains also. Ha! Ha! Hare! Maybe we wait on more issue (Piggy of Compassionate Heart) before we start to hide it in devious ways (Monkey of Cunning Mind)?

Tomorrow is my last class in the Diplomado of Teaching English as a Second Language. It lasted for 4 months. But it was really intense.

HpS - So now you can have more time for Brahminical activities???!!!! Recover your lost soul. Spend more time in the Groves of Vrndavana with your sister with Krsna? What is you Mission? Girl espionage agent for Golokula? Our lives are only booring or frustrating because we are not responding to the invitations from the Gopis and Radha krsna, and the cow herd boys!! Are you going to take Ulysses, Meow, your sister, mother, father, et al back to Goloka?

See you soon

Trying to be your disciple

Candramukhi dd

ASA - Very soon!