Hare Krisna Gurudev: Pamho.

Leyendo una parte del libro "Cuentas de Conciencia" de Santa Teresa de Jesús" (Ávila) en el Capitulo 44 (traducido del Castellano Antiguo) dice:

Cuentas de Conciencia 44

2. “Súbitamente me vino un recogimiento con una luz interior tan grande que me parecía estar en otro mundo, y hallose mi espíritu dentro de sí, en una floresta y huerta muy deleitosa, tanto que me hizo recordar de lo que se dice en el Cantar de los Cantares: Veniat dilectus meus in hortum suum – venga Él, mi amado, a Su huerto y coma sus delicadas frutas”.

“Vi allí, en este Elíseo (lugar delicioso donde van las grandes almas), un joven negruzco con una extraña belleza; encima de su cabeza tenía como una guirnalda, que no corona, de gran pedrería, y muchas doncellas que andaban allí con Él, con ramos en las manos, todas en cánticos de alabanzas de Dios. Yo no hacía sino abrir los ojos para no distraerme y no me era posible quitar la atención de ello”.

“Había allí una música de ángeles y canto de pajaritos, de la que el alma gozaba, aunque yo con los oídos físicos no lo escuchaba, más el alma, estaba en aquel deleite. Yo miraba como no había allí ningún otro hombre ”.

3. “Esto duró más de hora y media –que no podía apartar mi vista ni mi atención, y con gran deleite, cosa diferente de otras visiones; y lo que de allí saqué fue más amor a Dios y tenerle más profundamente presente con aquella belleza, no es posible que fuera imaginación”.

No se si google podrá traducir esto de forma fiel al texto.

Mi pregunta es si Sta Teresa practicando el Cristianismo pudo ver a Krishna. Es verdad que no hace alusión a la pluma de pavo real en la cabeza; pero el resto parece una descripción de Krishna con las gopis durante un muhurta. En la tradición cristiana no se habla de Dios como un joven moreno.

¿Que opina? Siento molestarlo pero el texto me pareció interesante observar los niveles de re4alización espiritual a los que llegaban en aquella época tanto Sta Teresa como San Juan de la Cruz y otros.

Gracias.

ss

Jayanta das

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Hare Krishna Gurudev: Pamho.

Reading a part of the book "Accounts of Conscience" of Santa Teresa de Jesús "(Ávila) in Chapter 44 (translated from Old Spanish) says:

Consciousness Accounts 44

2. “Suddenly a recollection came to me with an interior light so great that it seemed to me to be in another world, and my spirit was found within itself, in a very delightful forest and orchard, so much so that it made me remember what is said in the Song of Songs: Veniat dilectus meus in hortum suum - come He, my beloved, to His garden and eat its delicate fruits.

“I saw there, in this Elysee (delicious place where great souls go), a blackish youth with a strange beauty; On his head he had like a garland, which does not crown, of great stones, and many maidens who walked there with him, with bouquets in their hands, all in songs of praise to God. I kept opening my eyes so as not to be distracted and it was not possible to take my attention away from it ”.

“There was a music of angels and the singing of birds, which the soul enjoyed, although I did not listen to it with physical ears, but the soul was in that delight. I looked like there was no other man there ”.

3. “This lasted more than an hour and a half - that I could not take my eyes off my attention, and with great delight, something different from other visions; and what I got from there was more love for God and having him more deeply present with that beauty, it is not possible that it was imagination ”.

I don't know if google will be able to translate this faithfully to the text.

My question is whether St. Teresa practicing Christianity could see Krishna. It is true that it does not refer to the peacock feather on the head; but the rest looks like a description of Krishna with the gopis during a muhurta. In the Christian tradition, God is not spoken of as a dark youth.

What do you think? I'm sorry to bother you, but the text seemed interesting to me to observe the levels of spiritual fulfillment reached at that time by both Saint Teresa and Saint John of the Cross and others.

Thank you.

H.H

Jayanta das

HpS - I have heard of this from other devotees a little, but... you are the first person to send it in such detail! Google did a good job. I don't think I know any more than you do, but yes, certainly, Krsna can reveal His form in Vrndavana to people anywhere. I have heard very sober descriptions of people having visions of Krsna and associates that led them to go to the library to find a book about ""'KRSNA""" and then to the Temple.

"If the Prince and Princess want to go into the prison house, who can stop Them", said Srila Prabhupada?

More!!

Previous letters regarding :

https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11561/ ,https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11579/

Hare Krsna Maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP

Your grace wrote -- "We will put your request before the Supreme Absolute Undifferentiated Commando of ASA and see what they say".

Dear Sir have the Commando of ASA replied any thing ?

we are constitutionally servant, if we dont serve him, we will forced to serve (illusion of enjoyment) maya.

guided bomber

HpS - Yes... like we said in the response to your other post, today. Is O.K. you want to look at Category A each Ekadasi and cateogorize and edit them for the Kapi Dhvaja???

previous letter https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11580/

Hare Krsna Maharaj, PAMHO, AGTSP

In my horse opinion the criteria of sub-editors, should be

a) ability to identify questions whose answer have already been given some where in blog. So we can involve sub-editors issue-wise ( grhastha , event organizer etc) and village wise. This will make them read your answers to similar questions which has been asked many times.

b) these sub-editors if their names are made public, will get trickle down fame, hence they can be become un-official counselors. This is important because we have heard that Chankaya did not create other chanakya, so his ideology got lost from main stream.

c) you can add other qualifications of sub-editors.

Thats all I can think of .

suicide bomber

HpS - AgtSP! Seems that a way to start this is for an Editor to start reviewing the things in Category A each fortnight and then make a summary for the Kapi-Dhvaja. Then chosen topics can be edited to Category B and then collected in the ASA encyclopedia.

O.K.?

Hare Krsna Maharaja and ASA team

PAMHO AGTSP!

All glories to the sankirtana of ASA team!

I hope that all team are very well.

I will always appreciate the example of life that you give us. You remind me of the great general Bhisma always ready to die for Krsna and despite the difficulties that the big donkey causes, you share your realizations with us. I do not know how long Krsna will allow us to be able to associate with you for this I pray to Krsna to be able to appreciate and value you and the teachings that I receive.🙏

HpS - The same to you and more of it!!! What is the news of H. H. Bhakti-bhusana Swami?

Thinking of the time (kala) and thanking the mercy that you have granted to the female devotees of being able to express their achievements of the SBG (tuesday class). I thought it would also be nice if the male devotees had an opportunity to present their achievements with the SBG.

This would allow devotees to associate with you through SBG receiving your comments or feedback. I think this would be a great opportunity for them. For this I ask to you and please forgive my audacity or offense, if you can to give only 1 Monday or 2 so that the Spanish-speaking devotees can expose the SBG.

-I propose Monday because it is the only day that correspond to spanish.

-Fridays correspond to Srinivasacarya p, and he does it very well, shares many teachings and reflections and he comments about SP classes.

This is a humble request that is what you consider best.

I also want to ask your permission so that on Tuesday November 17,SBG class will be bilingual, since apparently it is easier for Madhumanjari dd to speak English more than in Spanish, there would be a translator for her. Do you agree?

HpS - Certainly!! We also think that there is a lot of adjustment we can make to our Daily SB reading. It is a matte of devotees like you ... and me... making suggestions.

Note: SSBBS is it is getting better.

HpS - Aaaah! Our desires are immediately answered.

He already wants to travel but doctors say no, that he has to be resting for at least 1 more year. So now my GM is in the process of agreeing to stay one more year in the Cologne temple, although who knows with the character that he has it is likely that he will travel before or planned. He always preaches in the BG mood, surrender first. He says: without surrender there is no progress.

I suppose that something of the German mentality must be there, he once told me that the concept of more or less, it cost him to understand because he understands something is good or bad.

Sri Nrsimhadeva protect you. (Your Deity is very beautiful)

with appreciation and affection

ys Isvari R dd

HpS-ASA - I think Srinivasa Das has started to organize other speakers on Friday. He had Laksmana agraja Das speak, no? He is the organizer for Friday now, not the designated speaker, no? Of course, it is very good for him to present!! Such nice community of devotees we have.

I was trying to offer one class a day, morning or evening. Maybe to much.

We are doing Mon, Wed, Sat mornings now.

One consideration is that we are trying to coordinate our activities with the Ministry Of Education (MOE) and for that we have been working on the Bh Vai curriculum. It looks now like we will focus ASA SB studies to the Bh Vai Canto Six evaluation to normalize the candidates for Bh Vai in San Jose, California; Houston, Texas and even in South America.

With Gandharva Das and Bali-mardana Das, Hari-lila Das et al we have been moving this forward.

That will influence who is giving classes what days.

More news soon, but I agree with your ideas to have more of our Latin speaking devotees giving classes!!

Dear Guru Maharaja

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! All glories to you!

We received the DTC you sent along with the Stretch Island prasadam last week. It came at the perfect time for me because, work has been very very busy. We have a new VP who is very difficult and micromanages a lot. On the day the DTC arrived, my company layed off 1500 employees. By Krishna's mercy, I still have a job in these trying times. My weekends are also completely full with the education programs in Kalachandji Dham (we are now registered as Bhaktivedanta Vedic Academy). I have been running and running for the last few months and the DTC gave me some perspective to sit and think about why we are doing it. Your focus on Japa was a great instruction for us. We feel very fortunate to have a spiritual master who is so loving and merciful.

Please send us the scans of the DTCs Guru Maharaja so that I can archive them. It is very valuable. Anyone who wants to access them can download it from https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11EPWsm3vFp9WmKMOsw7EXLhexnazc3Dt?usp=sharing

We are overwhelmed by your affection. You perfectly embody the 6 kinds of loving exchanges from NoI. Srila Prabhupada writes in the purport that "The life of the Kṛṣṇa conscious society is nourished by these six types of loving exchange among the members." In my experience after moving to Dallas, personal relationships among devotees are very shallow. The 6 loving exchanges rarely happens, especially guhyam akhyati prcchhati. You are so personal in your dealings and always prioritize sanga over the process. Your association nourishes our Krishna Consciousness Gurudeva. We are very very grateful to you for having given us shelter at your lotus feet.

Guru Maharaja, in today's Bhagavatam class, you spoke of different levels of consciousness when chanting and you referred to NoI 8 in terms of Nama, Rupa and Carita. I was thinking about a paragraph in the purport where Srila Prabhupada talks about the steps to sampatti dasa starting from sravana dasa. Like the verse we read (SB 2.2.24) that spoke about how you can change your consciousness by the hatha yoga process, can we also practice raganuga Bhakti? or does it automatically occur to us when we achieve asakti or bhava?

HpS - AgtSP!!!! Paoho. Thank you for your association. If Krsna takes your job away it means He has something better for you to do. Even materially I have seen that with devotees!

As we understand, we can begin practicing a little Raganuga Bhakti Yoga as soon as we realize that Krsna is a person and it is 'how' we do the service as much as the 'form' of the service. Eg. we are making the noon offering for Radha Kala-candji on time with all the proper dishes, Mantras etc, but we feel that it is very mechanical, then we think, well, how does Mother Yasoda offer lunch to Krsna, the cowherd boys. So, we can try to say the prayers with that attitude, see the altar with that attitude, not to enjoy Krsna, but to try to give some more feeling for Krsna. Srila Prabhupada says that we have to learn the little art of crying for Krsna. Certainly if we have taken second initiation and even before we can start to try to follow the sentiments of a Nitya-siddha persona like M. Yasoda, Lord Nityananda.

O.K?

I would say that is really the practical work with we come to the level of nistha and ruci.

Thank you so much Guru Maharaja for everything you do for us.

Your servant

Srinatha Krsna dasa

Maharaj, you asked me to summarize my marriage for the benefit of those who may be going through similar situations. My heart and prayers go out to them.

[Edited by ASA Board of Editors]

Here are points I'm grateful for in my husband:

1) He orders good quality stuff for the house, cheap and best

2) He is an adventurous and mostly jolly person otherwise

3) He likes new things and places

4) He doesn't use me for his physical needs

5) He loves to eat good food and I like to cook

6) He likes to experience happy new moments

7) He likes the best of everything and tries to arrange for it

8) At least he follows 4 principles, and chants 16rnds and somewhat follows a siksha guru. Difficult to find even this standard these days.

Here are the problems I see in character of my husband:

1) After three years, no kids. Too much "virtual romantic-reality games".

2) Difficult for him to stick with one women, job or place. He feels he is missing out on happiness, adrenaline rush, available in other places. Feels burdened by marriage, requesting divorce, feeling like can no longer cope with the marriage or act in a way to inspire respect from spouse.

3) He has issues talking about anything deep, or dealing with negative emotions or communicating about them. Immediately wants to leave. So, not much of substance can be sorted and as it builds up inside him it comes out through intense scary physical violence

4) Can't follow schedule or rules because he needs complete freedom. Wakes up around 10/11am, goes to sleep very late in the night wanting to be alone to do gaming and romantic website. My marriage to him was arranged by all of my superiors and KC mentors to give me spiritual partnership.

5) He doesn't like to include me in any decisions he wants to make, where we will live, children, his life goal: To give his parents a currently unaffordable house in a very high, class posh locality because that is their dream.

7) He tells me every other female is better than me: My cousins, my friends, his female co-workers, sister, mother are all better than me.

Maharaj, I was seeking your guidance on what to do now at this point. Not for my sake, but for the sake of SP.

I am ready to do anything I can to save this marriage despite all the problems. Your mercy is our sustainence. Thank you so much. As you requested for this summary, I am from my heart sharing it here. If reading my life story can benefit anyone struggling in their own life, i am grateful for the opportunity to serve. I request blessings from all the Vaishnavas 🙏.

Your aspiring servant,

Yajnaseni DD

HpS - ASA ---- Too many points to address in one letter. First thing is quote from Chanakya Pandita: Victory comes from good advice, and good advice comes from many counselors.

You say that all of your superiors and KC mentors arranges the marriage. Well..... we didn't arrange it.... no sir! 😳 If we had arranged it we would have suggested second initiation for both parties first, I, all the superiors and KC mentors, discuss the situation together before coming to a recommendation.

So. . . Emergency First Aide: Chant Hare Krsna and be happy. Draupadi tried to save herself by so many methods, appealing to all of her superiors and KC mentors, but they just turned away. She tried to use her personal strength.... Then in the most fortunate situation in the world, completely helpless she said,

He, Govinda !

and Govinda helper her (Like new saris)!

It takes a lot to make a grown man cry, but sometimes the emotional, social, pain, harassment in ISKCON in situations arranged by all of my superiors and KC mentors has been so bad (and others agreed it was) that we have just literally thrown our hands in the air and surrendered to Krsna.

He, Govinda !

What did Govinda do? He put us on our feet, took us out the door, walked us around the corner, down the street and sat us down on the steps leading up to someone's house. Was in the city, and we just kept on Chantng.... Chanting... Chanting.... and little by little, maybe 15-20 minutes, our mind and intelligence worked through the situation, and we came to a very clear understanding of what was wrong with the situation, and how to deal with it.

Krsna did not give Arjuna a super weapon. He gave him clear intelligence. We already have more power than all the Indras in all the material universes combines. Is that enough for you?!

It is just being covered by our own stupid conditioning.

The Japa got us on our feet again, took us back around the corner through the Saturday traffic and right into the office to confront "The evil one". There were arguments from some of my superiors and KC mentors, and even The Evil One Himself, but our intelligence was clear and we faced all of them. We had to leave on congenial terms, that project.

We were surprised that TEO submitted more easily than we expected, but we later learned that the Temple PResident who had be present during our crucifiction, commented when we went out with tears welling in our eyes to TEO, "If you don't stop harrassing Hanuman Swami like this I'm going to shove you through the window!" Was a second story window!.

So, I am suggesting.... Take shelter constantly of the Holy Name from sastric evidence, Guru vakya, and many personal experiences.

I have always really loved TEO, and its is learning these adjustments that have made that more and more possible.

Did Suniti take Uttanapada back to Godhead?

Now... let us see if even more formal and improvised focus on the Holy Names solves 75% of the problems.

Then as there are remaining issues, let us deal with them one at a time, rather than as great carton of  Lernaean Hydra.

Sankirtan!