Standard for Initiatin - Letter to Gunagrahi das Goswami

11 years, 7 months ago by bhaktanicasio in Special Category A, Hot Topics

Title: opinion about open secret in ISKCON Hare Krisna!!!

Please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada,

Esteemed Gunagrahi das Goswami,

Recently i finished the disciples course which is now a requisite to take initiation within our institution. i felt very satisfied taking the course, and i think everybody should take it. it is a very nice opportunity for an intense and funny sadhu sanga while learning about guru tattva and the standards in ISKCON. I really appreciate how ISKCON as an institution is working hard to make everything more clear and establishing clear rules and procedures in order to protect the position and teachings of the Founder Acarya Srila Prabhupada. We are maturing. Gives confidence.

Although the course is very clear and it covers many subjects that you can say it is much more than a mere disciples course, there is something that still it is not clear to me. when it comes to selecting a guru the course defines the steps to take and it says: one should engage in favourable devotional service, follow the four principles STRICTLY, chanting sixteen rounds, and a full morning program. During this period one should focus in SRila PRabhupada as prominent siksa guru. after six months of following the above one can select an authorized diksa guru and take shelter. after a minimum of six months of having taken shelter one can accept vaisnava diksa and it says that the guru is not obliged to iniciate de candidate.

So this is pretty clear, in theory. but in the practice i can notice that there is different deffinitions of following STRICTLY, and specifically regarding about sex life. It is an open secret that there are two different standards about illicit sex within ISKCON. a few months ago you sent an article regarding this topic, "Family Matters" by Matsya-avatar Prabhu. The lower standard is having regulated sex life within marriage and the higher is having sex life only after garbadhana samskara.

Then there are some gurus within ISKCON that give initiation to devotees that are following the lower standard, and there are other gurus that only give initiation to those devotees who follow the higher standard. So in our yatra we have a devotee which is very involved and commited to the mission, actually he is one of the leaders of the yatra. He is chanting sixteen rounds, having morning program, involved in favourable devotional service, and following the lower standard for seven years now. In the present time this devotee is following everything strictly according to the higher standard for six months and will be eight months of following when his gurumaharaj visit the yatra. he is asking to be initiated to give strength to his spiritual life. he has the benediction to be initiated by the local yatra leader mahajan prabhu, maha hari prabhu, president of ISKCON argentina and even by yourself.

His gurumaharaj initiates devotees who follow the higher standard only. what do you think maharaj? should this devotee be initiated as a special mercy to him or he must wait until he follows everything for one year? please comment on this topic.

your humble servant.

Bhakta Nicasio.

Calendario Espana

11 years, 7 months ago by Muraridasa in Calendar Development

Hare Krsna Gurudeva

tgpSP

pamho

....con relacion a mi vida familiar para el proximo 20 de marzo tendre cambios y es buena idea que los devotos conozcan acerca de nuestras vidas por lo que mas adelante ire contando como se desarrollan los acontecimientos y las probables causas de ellos 

.... con relacion a la carta de Saranagati DD decirla que en españa desde primavera a otoño funciona en nuestra granja agricola de la Nueva Vrajamandala el Instituto  Bhaktivedanta por (si le puede interesar algun devoto ) que lo dirige SS Yadunandana Sw. si alguien esta interesado pueden escribirbe a [email protected] y le facilitare los correos o en lo que  pueda ayudar

...recordar a los Vaisnavas que NO desperdicien la impagable e inmericida asociacion de escuchar y asociarnos con Gurudeva en Japa Joe  

vuestro sirviente

murari das

acepte mis reverencias

11 years, 7 months ago by syam kund das in Personal Sadhana Reports

todas las glorias a sri sri guru y gauranga 

todas las glorias a srila prabhupada

Estamos aqui en Belo Horizonte (Brasil) haciendo la marathon de libros de srila prabhupada, (la verdad que esta un poco duro pues estoy haciendo sankirtana solo...):

              HpS - ASA -  TlgaSP. pfanrh.  Muy duro!  Tu eres un gran santo!!

....bueno mis planes cambiaron un poco voy para buenos aires para el 1º de enero. nos vemos alla.

                 ASA - Oink!  Oink!!

Maharaja Dhamvantari puede comunicarse con P. Mahahari y asi tener nuestra carta de recomendacion para primera iniciacion (:

mis reverencias

su eterno sirviente

bhakta tortuga

                 HpS - O.K. Nos vemos en BsAs. Y podemos confrontar los hechos de los formalidades, pero la realidad es Krsna es a lado con Vd. en Sankirtan.

El tortuga con la leonesa!!!

DTC - (SA/14) 9.32PM

11 years, 7 months ago by hps in DTC

AGTSP

paoho.

Time to take rest. Long day. Nice NOD-2 class at Start Meeting this morning. Several calls to devotees. Lunch and NIOS accounting work with Abhaya Narayana. First class Prasadam!

Came to NGD home this evening through the ice and rain. Stay here tonight.

Hare Krsna!!!

Dietys as Our Children

11 years, 7 months ago by hps in Special Category A, Hot Topics

AGTSP

paoho

Can we think of the ISKCON Deities as our children etc. Srila Prabhupada makes a summary study of Rupa Goswami's coments on this in NOD. 

http://vedabase.com/en/nod/16

As we remember, this is also Lord Kapila's advice to his mother, that she was already in the perfectional stage by thinking of Lord Kapila as her son, but she should do this with the perspective of the Sankhya yoga that He was teaching her.

We also remember that Srila Prabhupada states that the two people most likely to fall down in this movement are the Pujaris and the personal servants of the Spiritual Master. Familiarity breed contempt. To be protected from this they must always follow the etiquette of serving Guru and Deities.

Anyone else have and short comments?

Urgente!!!!

<big>Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada!!!</big>

<big>Hare Krsna Guru Maharaj, reverencias, estamos aquí en Huancayo - Perú, estamos haciendo Sankirtan, vamos casi 1500 libros distribuidos en 3 semanas, gracias a Krsna nos mantenemos en los programas de la mañana, estamos cantando 16 buenas rondas y un poco más, también estamos fijos siguiendo los 4 principios regulativos, leyendo el Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya Lila, cp.1.</big>

<big>   HpS - ASA -- Super, super, super. </big>CC es historias muy modernas, instrucciones. Usted recibirá tanto poder para distribuir más libros. Sólo respondió una carta de su buena esposa con un montón de comentarios sobre su Sankirtan. Es tan agradable!<big> </big>

<big>Tenemos la misericordia de hacer algunos dias Yapa Yoe, espero que siga esto así.</big>

<big>La ves pasada vi en el Yapa Yoe que usted puso que debemos de cantar 2 rondas por hora, eso es muy a parte de nuestras 16 rondas, por otro lado recordé que una ves usted puso en el Kapi Dvaya que todos los devotos ya sean Grihastas, Brahmacaris, pujaris, administradores de templo, estudiantes, deben hacer sankirtan al menos 2 horas al día, podria explicarnos ¿Cómo podemos motivar a los devotos a que lo hagan?</big>

 HpS - Otras dos rondas cada hora es una sugerencia. Nuestro estándar es de al menos 16 rondas-entusiastas, entonces si se puede cantar una o dos o tres o algunos otros extras rondas durante el día, que es muy agradable.

"...recordé que una ves usted puso en el Kapi Dvaya...deben hacer sankirtan al menos 2 horas al día, podria explicarnos."  Yo no recuerdo haber dicho esto. Tal vez no era una traducción correcta. Yo sólo trato de seguir lo que dice Srila Prabhupada. Su instrucción es de una hora por la mañana y una por la tarde de estudiar sus libros. También media hora de Arati y Kirtan mañana y tarde. Eso es bonito. En la NOI, dice directamente que Managala arati, Kirtan, SB son obligatorios.

<big>Bueno se me ocurrio mensionar lo que usted dijo  y no me creen.</big>

<big>Bueno Guru Maharaj me despido, un abrazo. </big>

<big>Hare Krsna.</big>

<big>Gadai Gauranga Das.</big>