AGTSP
Paoho
The Kapi Dhvaja flew in space. We answered many letters just to keep the pace. We met with Patraka, Laksmana, Subhra, Jiva Go and also Dravida for pronuciation of Sanskrit to know.
Tomorrow we are in our Friday class and we meet with Srivasa Pandita BhVai pass.
Hare Krsna Maharaj,Pamho, Agtsp,
its glorious to have been associated with you in anyway for sinful, insincere beast like me.
we have improved a lot our last 1 month in terms of our external behaviour and agitation of mind.
but we have concern with our chanting. our external circumstances are not very encouraging or reminding us of good chanting. we dont hope they would change quickly until we learn some lesson which Mr. Krsna SPOG wants us to learn.
however bigger trouble is our mind....our pronuniciation is not very clear, when the pronunciation is clear our beads rotate faster (less than 5 min for a round), and top of that, all sinful/ beastful ideas come up in our mind....if nothing else our body esp lower neck will have pain after two three rounds..which is indication of reduction of stress...........thought there have been occasional 1-2 min nice chanting, slow, rhytmic, and with proper meaning...getting up from Mangal arti helps but itstwice or thrice in a week........mostly our idea is just to get rounds done....there is no question of relishing it.............there is no doubt it is mostly parrot chanting...
we also figured out that we are doing offences mainly 1 {cursing past counsellors], 3 { not obeying super soul and gurus}, 7, 9, and 10 ( mind does not want to give up sex desire even illicit, but agrees to remain in marriage)..
.we were waiting for a grhastha counsellor to tell this and see if he can tell us some thing.. but we did not find one whom we can trust.we even have doubts that we can fulfill the rule of illicit sex as described by you (sex only for procreation),, ..,,many times we have heard different standards of Illicit/illicit sex (http://iskcon.us/chaitanya-charan-das/illicit-sex-outside-marriage-illicit-sex-capital-illicit-sex-within-marriage-small/)..but we understand you definition... we definitely are very much willing to follow them and the make sense.....
we have indulged in undesired movie/literature for around 10 years..even though we have stopped it now. we are getting flashes of it our mind...we are fighting hard...but we dont know if we can ensure accident less application of this rule, even if we are intiated....
once we asked you, the candidate should be willing or should be able to follow rules? as far as we remember you its willing...please correct us if we are wrong... we are willing but dont know about our ability....
with such a circumstances (both internal /external) do you think we should apply for intiation? and what should we do to improve our chances for applying for intiation..
regards,
beast horse
HpS - ASA --- There is NO fixed schedule for everybody. Everybody is a different person. Even without formal vaisnava initiation if you are trying your best to advance by chanting then Krsna will help you forever.
Just try to make progress each two weeks. Yes, you have to be follow the principles, good rounds, morning program for one year before first initiation, but don't worry about that. Just see where you are and make progress over from Kapi Dhvaja to KDh.
You are also a very, very, very rare person. As a husband, father, son, student, we all feel happy to have your association.
Illict sex is usually a community problem not a private problem. Yes, get an Ashrama guru. It is not proper for Sannyasi to talk too much about these details.
hare Krsna Maharaj, Please accept my obeisances (not humble though), all glories to Srila Prabhupada, ASA Civil Dead Man Club.
glorious saint , you are the rare people on earth who is treading the path chalked by Acaryas seriously and is always looking to improve self.
HpS - ASA - AGTSP paoho. We, Tom Brown, agree, but we are humble.
Your sincerity is undoubtable, it is corroborated when we noticed that you are preaching to walls at 5am. People of your intellect are very rare...
ASA - Oink!
Hope we can just glorify you and then capacity to glorify the Parampars by purification.... All glories to Hanumantpresak Swami and his tradition/parampara.....
this letter is primarily on very broad topic of Guru-Tattva. We have some how decided to enroll ourself in of theological tradition..
though our mind once said us to direct ---i know there is god.. i have no problem with him.. i just want to enjoy sex life to the fullest..then if i can serve god no problem.. he is my maintainer..... but i really want to enjoy...
at worst case....
let god be there where he is and let me do my business ... this was shocking to us..
but we can not accept this plea/dictum of our mind[it will take us to hell definitely]. but we realize that we can not tame him without help of a guru. But we are really confused at position of guru and relation with disciple.
--- Who takes the sin of disciples ? If guru takes sin which all sins he takes--- before intiation or even after intiation.
ASA - Anybody we give advice to, we take reaction for their Karma, no? As we follow Lord Caitanya's instructions, Srnvatam sva katha krsna (SB 1.2) then He burns up our reactions and then at the time of initiation the Diksa guru finishes off the last bit.
--- Is it possible that if guru takes the sins, he may not suffer ?
HpS - He has to suffer, burn them up, but he doesn't do it until most of them are burnt up by the year of Japa etc by the candidate.
--- Is ritvik concept ok ? like in protestant christians Jesus is the ultimate guru (he takes the sin) , pastor (does not take your sin).....
ASA - Problem with "ritivik concept" is that it is never stated in any kind of detail by Srila Prabhupada. It is just a word for "priest" that he uses. In general, no, there must be a priest. We must act as we hear from te lips of our spiritual master, but he can say with his lips, "Srila Prabhupada is in his books".
--- what is the difference between ISK ritivk and ISK non0ritvik disciple ? How they both have to relate to Srila Prabhupada ?
ASA - As explained there is no standard meaning to Ritvik. Different guys use it generally, but in general it means that the "diksa guru" is just a priest, but in ISKCON the "diksa guru" is taking real responsibility on by authority of Prabhupada depending on his level of development.
--- what is the relation of ISK non ritvik disciple with intiating gurus ?
ASA - It is individual. Depends on the personal nature, development, of the Iskcon Guru. Look at NOI 5 last paragraph. We present these things in www.jayarama.us/kd/guru-tattva.txt, no? They are all accepting Srila Prabhupada as the Samsthapaka acharya. He make the foundation for ISKCON we can only, must, build on that.
we are asking this because of our mind. In FIRO-B test wefound we were high on command and control (8 OUT OF 9).. We like to receive commands and we like to give commands...
but in the past we had some mistake, we took our counsellors as representative of god.. and followed some advices ...which lead us in troubles later..
at present we are cautious of accpeting people as gurus--esp (guru mukha padam vakya-cittate na kariye ekya).. because of our high command and control nature..if we accept somebody as our guru, mostly we will be ready to die and kill for fulfilling his wish....
hence we need to clarify Guru-Tattva principles. we hope these question will also help all bloggers may be whole universe
regards,
trying to be sincere--bhakta harsh
ASA - The guru-tattva.txt thing is complete. Krsna is guru. If you pray to Him, Japa. He WILL guide you.
hare krishna gurumaharaja!!!! por favor acepte mis reverencias todas las glorias a srila prabhupada!!!!
el dia 28 de mayo a las 1:47 pm nacio nuestra niña, estamos muuy felices, su nombre es Vaisnavi,
HpS - ASA - TLGASP. We are also, very, very, very, very happy. She must be a great devotee to take birth in your family! Maybe she is Sita devi and will look for Rama? -[;D]---
le pedimos sus bendiciones para ella y para que nosotros podamos ser buenos padres.
sus sirvientes gadadhara gosai das & pushpa priya devi dasi.
hare krishna.
HpS - ASA - She looks very nice, but more like Lalita.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Beloved Guru Maharaj
I hope excuse my late report about my travel for India. Acctually, is so late that i went to Chile and come back now.
I don't want take your valuable time guru maharaj.
In simple words my itinerary was like following:
00) Buenos Aires (January First Days) personally with you in the your Vyasa Puja. Very Happy was start the year like this. Programs in CHILE
01) Hyderabad (Jan-March): First days, very concern about the programs not finished in Chile. 2 month Course about Promotion of Micro Enterprises (NIMSME India). More than 150 people from 42 different countries. Great experience. How India is superpass the poverty problem, and i visited a lot of micro enterprises in the last part of the course.
It was a good opportunity to Share the vaisnavism values with Muslims (a lot of), first time in my life. I changed completely my opinion about them. They're Very friendly. Still, Afghan, Niger, Nigeria are more extreme in their ideas, a lot of fear of God. We can to know how is he because is sooo great. But, in general opened and interested about that idea of only one supreme God according the Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, etc.
Invite to the temple to more enthusiastic twice. First Time, christian Brazilian lady, Buddhist Myanmar (my roomate), a polland and a nepali ... all together see the deities and take prasadam with their hands. Exotic experience. Second time: Budhist myanmar and two ladies from Mauritios Islands. With them visti the Govinda's Restaurant. I that moment a realize also that prasadam in Restaurant in this cities is very good preaching.
02) Chile (March-April) . Big FIRE disaster in Valparaiso. Authorities said that the 10% of the city was loose. Wonderfull program of FOOD FOR LIFE against the time. We distributed 600 plates of kitri... and A.Vardhana made 10.000 cookies! It was impossible distribute all cookies. Students of Alternatives Therapies went with us in a bus gotten by Vrinda Mission devotees. David Abrigo, my classmate and friend from the university times, who attend some of your conferences, went also and helped the devotees in prasadam distribution.
03) Fly Stops (Last days April) : Come back to India AGAIN... the stops were London and Madrid, this time not alone, rather Carolina came as well. We discovering the important work of the devotees there. Taking utsaha from them. We had interviews with Dandava prabhu and Jara Mara In Madrid. Too much learning of his experience in Madrid. Very useful for us in Chile .We spend one night with Bhadra Vardhana and Sananda devi dasi.
In London with Gandaki prabhu (Uruguayan devotee) and his wife were our hosts.
Harinama in both places. Harinama is still stronger there. In London sometimes THEY went twice in a day in the supossed most important street in the world, New Oxford Street.
04) Mumbai (May)
The Yoga Institute of Santa Cruz, established in 1918 was our home in the entire month. Curiously, Our best (and very strict) two teacher appreciate a lot ISKCON, even one of them have the membership card. Very impersonal philosophy behind everything so preach to classmate was very funny because all people is very atractive to Krsna naturally there and accept the Sri Caitanya philosphy.
I distributed some 3-4 Bhagavad Gita. I invite all my western friends, students in the Institute also, to the restaurant buffet, and they were very happy. The Irani guy bought the B.G and Islam and The Vedas, a very christian girl from US, after to see the deities, decided get the BG also, and a very special indian young (19 years) bought me other, and other young lady get it also.
Visiting every sunday and Nrisimha Caturdasi and other days the ISKCON Temples. We are very impressed with the dedication of Radhanath Swami, Giriraj Swami, Sridhar Swami and others there. They have an hospital in Mira Road where every doctor and employee is devotee, actually, our dermatorlogist there is very enthusiastic. They have a big auditorium in Juhu, and media center in Chowpaty. It was a very good experience, taking pictures and ideas all the time. Three hours from Mumbai we visited for special program the Govardhana Eco Village, an interested program developed by ISKCON also.
05) Vrindavan (Now!). I just arrive a few hours and after to read your Kapi Dhvaja i felt very bad for not write to you, because I promise to you, so ... i should to do it. Now, if is possible to you, i feel that I need some practical advises to live the next days here. I like so much, despite the HOT, but i feel like a fool trying understand them.
In this Dropbox link you can see pictures with the respective numbers.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jd3fla23x0krhmc/AAAI8xt8Moh6MRHFvr6wkfHLa
Excuse for the extension again. Same problem with my reports for you. The ayurvedic doctor in Mumbai said me again that i have serious problems with the times and with to execute ideas for my AIR - FIRE convination.
Thank you a lot Guru Maharaj. You are so tolerant with me always... I can't understand it. I want to be someone useful for you soon.
Hare Krsna.--
Javier Armijo Allendes
Periodista
09-66539565
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HpS - ASA - AGTSP paoho. Wonderful report. Mas vale tarde que nunca. Just live in Vrndavana like you are an insane madman and let Radharani take care of you and engage you in service to Her boyfriend in some way or other by the mercy of the Manjaris.
AGTSP!!!!! Paoh...o'......
Miracle!
Miracle!
Miracle! (Maybe). We heard that we could use our Nokia 520 for a hot spot for our computer!. We Googled it and found 1/2 of the instructions. It worked. It didn't work. We jiggled it, it is working!!!!!!!!
Now we have access in the OFFICE/TREE-HOUSE!
Ooof! Let's see how our data works.
We answered about 7-letters on the Blog.
OooooF! This can help us soooo much.
O.K. We go to NGD Ashrama and evening program!