Letters to the editor

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:04 AM, Mukta Okram from Thoubal, Manipur Mandir wrote:

All Glories to Sri Guruji Maharaja and Gouranga Mahaprabhu

Radha Krsna Ki Jay and Goura Bhakta Ki Jay

I am submitting my humble obeisances unto Guru Maharaja's padmacharan that if any ISKCON bhaktas can not go to Mandir daily but following strictly the four principles, chanting complete 16 rounds, rising up early morning and reading one or more religious books  and someone is going in the nearest mandir daily but doing nothing of ISKCON rules and systems. Which one is better?

HpS - ASA -- AGTSP!  Paoho. Seems that the first one is better but you should look at Srila Prabhupada's Purport to Madhya 15.108 of the Caitanya-caritamrta.

If an initiated devotee following all the rules externally, but has offensive mind toward Krsna or devotees then his service is bad and he is falling away, but if a simple person who does not know what the good activities, four principles, are or because of the reactions of his Karma is still forced to do bad things, but sincerely WANTS to change and has humble attitude to Krsna and devotees then his position is better, no? He is coming closer and Krsna likes His service. He washes off the external dirt and eats the offering.

So each case is individual, but in general we should see the external character is good as well as the heart!

To follow and perform some duties is far far easier then to collect bhaktas and run a mandir. But, if the systems are not in the pattern of ISKCON, then What is the  spiritual development of going to such mandirs run by non vegitarians? 

The traditional goudiya veisnaba bhaktas who have taken initiated in a local Brahmana Guru and going Sundays in the Mandir, but the Guru and the bhakta is a non vegitarian    and not  following the four principles of ISKCON.  Which is better for such bhaktas and ISKCON bhaktas who had taken initiated and following the four principles strictly but not going to above such mandir regularly?

HpS - As you are describing it then the ISKCON devotees are doing very well. Yes, we should try to preach to the non-veg Bhaktas to change their habits. See SB 1.17.38. If such an ISKCON Bhakta has an altar in his home we should consider that is probably a better Temple than a Temple where the Bhaktas are still doing these Kali-karma things described in 1.17.38, no?
Preach to them.

Get them to understand and change. Then let Manipur help the whole world!!!!

Thank you so much for you letters and association. Dandavats to all the devotees. Thank you even for your Tilak Laddus!

PLEASE WRITE TO THE BLOG!!
Yours fallen servant
Yamunesvara Das

hare krsna maharaj, pamho

we saw in DTC 35$ for journal accesss. you can give us the articles name we can do for u. IITB must be able to access it

regards,
harsh 

HpS - ASA - - - A G T S P !   paoho, thank you, but we can also go to Vanderbuilt University (VU) and at least get free reading access. Maybe printing access for free, but that does take about an hour trip and costs about $15, but we can also do other work the same time, but if you can do it with no strain on your baby-milk-money then that is O.K. If there is some expense we could even pay for it from NIOS somehow or other.

Try:

Journal of Analytical Psychology
Number 59.3 pages 391-409, June 2014
Author Vicente L. de Maoura

It is published on-line by Wiley and Sons

Sri Krsna Sankrtana Ki Jai!

4.32PM

Hare Krsna. AGTSP. paoho & Bw.   We are rather tired! Today is Srila Prabhupada's 'tiro bhava mahotsava', Anniversary of his Disappearance. Oooof.

We finished, bought ink, scanned the Tpp -Cb/12 and 13. They are O.K. We feel we are like someone who is being asked by the Technicians, "Please say something into the mike". We started off with Composition books, but those were impossible to photo-copy. Then we went to 8-1/2 - 11 with spiral binding and international shipping. That was like $15/each to print and mail. It was very much worth it.

Now we are scanning them and writing them on colored paper and using a template. Again, Oooof!

Lots of technical work, but now this seems stable.

We can write them and archive them and then someone can put them into a Power Point show if they want to. We did it for this one. We had to Scan them, rotate them, crop them, size them, stick them and compress them.
It's in the Archives, under tpp-cb, then cb-13.

What do you think?

Also, we tried to get to the Jung Journals on-line today and they want like $35 to download one article. It is not cheap being crazy. We got some access, and so we are going forward. Our feet are pretty swollen. Got a headache. Went for a long bike ride to go shopping. Heard Puskara Das' class from Hawaii. Sitting with you!
4.42PM. Talked with Lakmana Das in Peru for 1-hour.

Will go to NGD's home at about 6.30PM.

Best to put the feet in the air now and rest, no?
With all these other tasks reduced we can focus on the content of the Tpp-Cb's now.

All glories to Sri Sri Gaura nitai

tlgsp, my respectful obeisances to you gm!

I saw that you answered two old letters! Haha the question about the Ashrama  i did i do wrong, I asked if he could sing my rounds in my Ashrama in the morning ... i live in the temple and i am very very very happy, but I can't sing my rounds in the temple a lot of noise! I am very intolerant But I pray to our beloved Lord for giving me patience and tolerance...In the last letter you asked me if I read alone or with someone, now I am reading NOI,c.cariritamrta..and SB every morning ... i read alone gm i prefer hahaha...i studied sri isopanisad...

I am very happy to service all the days in the pujari ... clean the bathroom of the Ashrama  and took classes with a devout mrdanga very patient of Peru ...

GM i say that I am happy but at some point feel doubt from what I do, I wonder if I truly believe in God?

Much back pain and stomach i am weak haha ...

t            Once more my respectful obeisances to you.

                                                   your small disciple ter kadamba devi dasi..hare krsna!

HpS - ASA - AGTSP> PAOHO. Sorry it has taken 3-weeks to answer this letter. We are pretty much caught up on our letters now, and trying to avoid getting behind in the future. Tolerance comes when we see the benefit of doing the austerity. Like you like to read alone because there are disturbances reading with others, but then you see that there are also very nice benefits, so you "tolerate" the disturbances! Patience is another kind of enthusiasm, no? (NOI 3).
Doubts are normal. They are health if they are honest. BH 4.34 says that blind faith is CONDEMNED. So bring up your doubts and try to removes them by direct effort if you need to, but most of them we have confidence that the process will removes them: "sraddha sabde..." Look in the indes in the NOI. It's quoted there!

News!

Hare Krisna beloved Gurudev,
Please acept my humble obeisances,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Here we are at Eseiza airport, soon mangala aratik in SM, we are heading to Pay Roo, meet with CMDD and her family, devotees , Rupanuga das, and of course Sri Sri Radha Madhan Bihari.

I want to ask you about your current sankirtan work in education and with Carl Jung. What is the purpose of both programs? What is your goal with them?

What kind of programs are more suitable to accomplish your goals?

What we should do in order to help you better?

Shall we read Carl Jung biography? Is this program only to psychologist? or more like a bridge to bring people in general to KC?

Shall we make research about education in our local countries? I found out that Peru is number one in education with the 79% of his population finishing high school. Of course we aim to another type of education.

How important is for us to study Bhakti Sastri and Bhakti vaibhava in order to push education in ISKCON?

We are in good communication with our gothbrothers/sisters in order to organize your south american tour. I'm trying to cooperate with everybody, cordoba, bs as, chile, peru.

Our plan is to make a short visit to cordoba, very very short to bs as so we can go to chile for the symposium.

Please enlighten us so we can help you better.

Trying to serve you.

Nikunja Bihari das.

HpS - AGTSP!  Paoho. Are you still in Peru? How was the visit with everyone?
You have asked many questions. Would take a long time to answer in some ways. In general the answer is there in the INtroduction to the Upadesamrta: We want to study the literature left by the Six Goswamis (Srila Prabhuapda's Purports) so that we can help Lord Caitanya in His mission of giving the Science of Krsna to the world.
In that respect we have to understand our spiritual level and our material nature. Carl Jung is a good area for us to work. Srila Prabhupada appreciated him. The practical results just go on leading us forward and help us to refine how we want to approach him.

Lord Caitnya took Sannyasa from Mayavadi sampradaya to reach a certain audience.

If your nature reacts then yes, read Jung's biography. Is nice perspective for a devotee. Abhirama Das in Lima has good copy.

Our approach is to re-read the biography, Tavistock lectures and now we have found some of the Jung Journals and some good articles there. We had so much to do with these other education programs in ISKCON such as primary school, but we are reducing that and also the administrative work in Bhakti Vaibhava etc. We now have time to start reading the Journal article. One we read introduces a very nice scholar and he gives references to other Jung works on Oriental psychology and how to realate to it.

So, that is how we shall go ahead.

Main thing is to meet the people, meet the people, meet the people. As we learn about Jung and his followers lets meet with them. That's all:

We remain pure by our Sadhana
Krsna sends innocent people (Jungians et al)
They remain patiente  to understand the actual situation of this material world.

SANKIRTAN

PAMHO! AGTSP!!

Hare krishna Maharaja!! How are you? i hope that you are very well!!

In the last letter you asked me about the actual situation and news.

I returned to the temple at the begining of september. We had the Ratha Yatra!! It was so nice!!  I was all the time in the chariot, with the deities and the break of the car. It was an amazing experience the city was FULL of people thousands of persons! The kirtan and the program was excellent!! 

Now I have a new service in the temple, I am one of the two persons that have the responsability of the money, at first i didnt like a lot (this service), the money makes me feel  a little nervous. I know that its necesary but for example i don't like to count or to touch a lot... i know that the money is vey important to support differents things like: light, bhoga, wather, etc...  Now i more comfortable that at the begining.

We have a computer program and im learning how to do countability. Every day that pass i try to put more care in this service and try no to loss nothing and do the payments and things like this at time. Also i buy the differents things that the temple needs, the other day i did the first online shopping: bhoga and other products of cleaning.

My sadhana i think that is a little better than some months cause now im going to sleep more earlier, im sleeping around seven hours and now the time of japa is much better that some months ago. Im trying to be more tolerate and flexible with all, we had differents programs with Akrura prabhu about devotee care. It was very interesting and useful. Try to take care of the devotees its an amazing service and i think that its very motivating to see how a devotee are developing his spritual life and all his skills.

The past week we had the Seminar for disciples in ISCKON, i like a lot now im working in a document i must to finish before the week end, and in the first days of November we will have the Bhakti Sastri Exam.

About the initiation im very happy and i have many motivation to do it!! For me is an honor and i want to say you thanks for take this responsability, I think that take initiation its one of the most important things for the spiritual life and take diksa of one person that for me its an example of how to serve to Srila Prabhupada its a really mercy. I try to follow what you said me some months: Full program and 4 regulations stricts!! Also i trying to give my best to the temple and try to develope the services that the authorities gives me. Im  in extasis when i saw that they are happy with the resoults! I have many fails but im trying to be better!

The authorities of the temple said me that they will do a festival in christmas in New Vrajamandala and they think that maybe its a  good moment to take initiation, for me its OK! What do you think about that? What is the best method that you think  for my situation? I really want to take diksa, but i think that the authorities and you will have the best ideas to do it and i have a lot confidence in you and in them.

Thanks a lot for all!! If you have some instructions about anything please say me!! It will give me many motivation!!

Your servant Marcos.

HpS - Jaya! - AGTSP.  Of course, we started as Treasurer for the Temple in San Francisco when we joined and had the same problems with the service that you had. I guess we could assemble all the devotees you developed as Treasurers in ISKCON and compare our personalities and how we advanced in that line.
Your report sounds very nice!!
Thank you!

Jaya Jagannatha.. . .      Christmas sounds like good time. Our Vyasapuja is Christmas day or the day after.

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