Srila Prabhupada citing something that "is not there in cited text"

1 year, 5 months ago by Namacarya das in Other

Dear Guru Maharaja,

please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!


Thank you for always encouraging words in your responses.

Situated in a whirlwind of Kali Yuga consciousness, I attempt to cultivate the tender bhakti creeper (better say sprout).


I said it few times, that I do not want to burden you much with many of letters. So, I write from time to time. If having some inquiry, I wait a bit, research the possible answers, and (specifically if nothing comes about), then, write you.


I am doing a detailed study of Bhagavad Gita and observed that in 1.1. purport, second sentence, SP writes: "There (in Gita-mahatmya) it says that one should read Bhagavad-gītā very scrutinizingly with the help of a person who is a devotee of Śrī Kṛṣṇa and try to understand it without personally motivated interpretations. "


I went back one page to SP's Introduction where he cites the Gita-mahatmya. There it is easy to see the "scrutiny" idea, but nowhere could I read or imply the association of other devotees or anything similar. I find it interesting that SP first mentions (in the first sentence of his BG purport) the Gita-mahatmya and then says that there exists something which is not. According to my momentary understanding.


Another interesting point is that this is the only place SP mentions Gita-mahatmya.


And another interesting point is that it is a text coming from Adi Sankaracarya.


One background to my question is the perspective that I (we) have about SP's exactness in knowing and citing sastra and texts that uphold it.


If you think that I could understand, would you like to comment to the above?

Thank you!

Your servant Namacarya Das


HpS - AgtSP. I have had very similar experiences. I even had some thoughts just like yours on these specific texts.

I seem to remember that the full translation of the Gita Mahatmya was not in the earlier BG As It Is.

I wonder what is the actual original Sanskrita. I think a translation is in other book like Science of Self Realization. Maybe the 'other devotee' idea is from a commentary by Visvanatha Cakravarti.


I have basically the same observations and questions that you have. Cannot add much on this particular point.

Wonder when the purport was written. In the USA. Thinking that is SP was writing it in India he would have be very literal in his work because he expected scholatically inclined Indian readers.


As we remember discussions with Radhika-raman Das, he said that he and Krsna-ksetra Swami got this invitation from Columbia University Press to write summary of SB with specific extracts which would become a standard study book for university students.

It was wonderful, but, they were worried that they would have to give a scholarly and less devotional translation than Srila Prabhupad was doing.

Then, to their surprise, the first thing they discovered was that whether it was impersonal or personal, the translations that SP was giving were just the translations that our Acharya's had given.

So, any distortion to religious translation with their fault, not his.

Then going further to the standard Sanskrit dictionaries comming down for centuries, the religious, personal, translation of the word was the first one given. The impersonal translations were not the primary meaning of the words!


So many questions to answer, yet the first principle of the SB is: Reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all.

That's so fine, no?

Activity report in Centro de Prédica Krishna Balaram at Monterrey, and Invitation.-

1 year, 5 months ago by guimo in Sankirtana / Temple Activity Reports

Hare Krishna 

Dandavat Pranam 

Please accept my humble obeisances

All glories to our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada

All glories to H.H. Hanumat Presaka Swami

All glories to all devotees 🦚 


I bow after you dear Guru Maharaja, following your online mercyful Programs with enthusiasm!


By Your mercy, this aspirant is currently co-offering the traditional Sunday Program and sweet devotees like Gadadhar Gosai Prabhu, are co-offering the new Wednesday Program at the recently renewed Centro de Prédica Krishna Balaram; a Holy Land for the atmic seekers, as mostly new devotees are showing up by the day to serve the Lord! 


For that service, we do have the blessing of having guidance of veteran devotees, like the venerable Adoksaya Das Prabhu.


Also H.H. Guru Prasad Maharaja visited us and suggested an auspicious weekly day for the new Program (the above mentioned Wednesday), which is running smoothly.


In other subject, we know your travel schedule... but we also believe that everything is possible, so you might consider the possibility to come to Montemorelos once more, to be served by Monterrey México Yatra!🐵🙏🏼


ASA/TB-BW et al -


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Haya Chihuahua! Caramba!

We want so much to visit. Was so magical being there for all the programs, transcendental Dhama, but... but... but... we cannot see how it is possible for our body to make such a trip. Even the 2-hour domestic travel from Tennesse to Texas was exhausting. Amazing, yet good, makes us wake up our transcendental life. Our hear tis always with you!


If that happens, we would be extremely glad to focus firstly on an efficient trip from the nearby Houston to Nueva Govardhan and then, to your next destination, and managing everything in respect of a nice Vyasa Puja, devotee accomodation and broad formalities.


Anyway, servants being servants, we just paid attention to follow your nectarean instructions 🥭


Feeling graceful for your holy association, servants of your servants!

Guillermo Sepúlveda (Bhakta Guimo),

Gadadhar Gosai Das.


TB/BW - Pictures!!! Great Saints from Mexico spreading Srimad Bhagavatam.



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Hare Krishna

Dandavat Pranam

Por favor acepte mis humildes reverencias.

Todas las glorias a nuestro Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada                                       

Todas las glorias a S.S. Hanumat Presaka Swami

Todas las glorias a todos los devotos 🦚


¡Me inclino ante ti, querido Guru Maharaja, siguiendo con entusiasmo tus misericordiosos Programas en línea!


Por Tu misericordia, este aspirante actualmente co-ofrece el tradicional Programa Dominical y dulces devotos como Gadadhar Gosai Prabhu, están co-ofreciendo el nuevo Programa de los Miércoles en el recientemente renovado Centro de Prédica Krishna Balaram; ¡una Tierra Santa para los buscadores átmicos, ya que en su mayoría nuevos devotos aparecen cada día para servir al Señor!


Para ese servicio, tenemos la bendición de contar con la guía de devotos veteranos, como el venerable Adoksaya Das Prabhu.


También S.S. Guru Prasad Maharaja nos visitó y sugirió un día semanal auspicioso para el nuevo Programa (el miércoles mencionado anteriormente), que se está ejecutando sin problemas.


En otro tema, conocemos tu agenda de viaje... pero también creemos que todo es posible, por lo que podrías considerar la posibilidad de venir a Montemorelos una vez más, ¡para ser atendido por Monterrey México Yatra! 🐵🙏🏼 Si eso sucede, estaremos encantados de centrarnos primero en un viaje eficiente desde la cercana Houston a Nueva Govardhan y luego a su próximo destino, y gestionar todo con respecto a un agradable Vyasa Puja, alojamiento para los devotos y amplias formalidades.


De todos modos, siendo siervos, solo prestamos atención para seguir tus nectáreas instrucciones 🥭


¡Sintiéndome agraciado por vuestra santa asociación, servidores de vuestros servidores!

Guillermo Sepúlveda (Bhakta Guimo),

Gadadhar Gosai Das.

Hare Krishna

1 year, 5 months ago by agustina.abalos in Other

Hare Krishna maharaj mis reverencias 

Se que hace mucho que no escribo y quería pedirle disculpas por eso, y también quería dar mi reporte de estos últimos meses, en febrero viaje a Irlanda de el norte, estuve trabajando algunos meses en un pueblo que se llama portrush es muy pequeño pero muy bonito, lo triste es que estaba lejos de la asociación con los devotos y algunas veces me sentía un poco desmotivada y también un poco perdida, dentro de mis posibilidades me mantuve en contacto con una devota mayor que conocí cuando estaba en bhaktivedanta manor y también seguía los programas por la mañana desde mi ordenador, mis rondas no siempre fueron perfectas y a veces me costaba levantarme temprano por que algunas noches salía tarde de trabajar y mi cuerpo se sentía cansado, hace algunas semanas volví a nanda gram y al tener asociación con los devotos me hizo sentir un poco mejor, aunque es un poco distinto a lo que me acostumbre y la falta de privacidad me está haciendo pensar un poco en que pasos debería tomar en torno a mi camino y que hacer. 

Le dejo unas fotos de hoy mis reverencias y espero que esté bien de salud 🙏🏻



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Hare Krishna, maharaj my obeisances.


HpS - By the His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, our respects to you!


I know that it has been a long time since I wrote and I wanted to apologize for that, and I also wanted to give my report on these last few months.

In February I traveled to Northern Ireland, I was working for a few months in a town called Portrush, it is very small but very nice, the sad thing is that I was away from the association with the devotees and sometimes I felt a little unmotivated and also a little lost, within my means I kept in touch with an older devotee whom I met when I was in Bhaktivedanta Manor and she was also still programs in the morning from my computer, my rounds were not always perfect and sometimes it was difficult for me to get up early because some nights I left work late and my body felt tired.


A few weeks ago I returned to Nanda-gram and having association with the devotees, it made me feel a little better, although it's a little different than what I'm used to and the lack of privacy is making me think a little about what steps I should take around my path and what to do.


HpS - Yes. We have also had similar experiences. Sometimes very lonely, but we had our Deity of Lord Nrsmhadeva with us and would do Mangala arati and Gaura arti for Him and read Him stories from the KRSNA book, so although it was tough we could make it through.

All this is preparation for death when we become very morose, and we need cheerful connection with our Dieties to learn to live again in that private atmosphere!


I leave you some photos of my bows today and I hope you are in good health.


HpS - That's all! 😃

What, where, how, who is Nanda-gram?

Are you getting secret internal wisdom and power to communicate the spiritual world into whomever you meet?

Are you always following behind Lord Nityananda?

Carta publica a mi guru y comunidad vaisnava.

1 year, 5 months ago by Nadiya Nivasi Dasi in Other

Todas las glorias a Sri Sri Guru y Gauranga.

Todas las Glorias a Srila Prabhupada.


Hare krishna Gurumaharaj, acepte mis sinceras y respetuosas reverencias.


Escribo esta carta pidiendo disculpas a Usted y a la comunidad vaisnava por haber generado mucha incertidumbre, especulaciones e infamia hacia mi persona, pido perdón de corazón empezando por srila prabhupada, Usted y a todos los devotos por generar ansiedad.

Usted ha sido muy amable y comprensivo conmigo que se ha comunicado conmigo personalmente y con mis dos hermanos espirituales mayores que siempre me protegieron como verdadera familia y amigos de verdad.

Y he declarado mi verdad ante usted.

1. Intenté en conocer al devoto Milan Rai por 3 meses y luego tuve la decisión firme de rechazar el matrimonio con El.

2. Nunca he recibido ningun tipo de dinero de parte de El.

3. Jamas El me ha presentado a su familia para un compromiso de matrimonio.

4. Jamas me he reunido con el devoto Milan fisicamente.

5. No he roto ninguno de los 4 principios fisicamente despues de mi separación desde hace 2 años y he estado cantando mis 16 rondas y haciendo puyari en templo de san borja y templo de brasil como un año y medio.

5. Usted sabe los detalles donde estoy y con quienes estoy y que estoy haciendo, y hasta el dia de hoy mis 4 principios estan intactos y mis 16 rondas.

6. No estoy tratando de defenderme en redes sociales y dando explicaciones a los devotos de donde estoy y que estoy haciendo y con quienes estoy por mi protección y porque sé la idiosincracia de Perú sobre los chismes y juzgar a un devoto. Y tambien porque es un mes muy auspicioso donde no pretendo pelear con los devotos ni generar vaisnava aparadha, y porque no es mi naturaleza ser vengativa apesar de las cosas que ha hecho el devoto Milan.

7. Mi verdad solo he informado a las autoridades de perú y de brasil y a usted y hermanos mayores.

8. Y ahora tambien pido perdón al devoto Milan por haberle rechazado su propuesta de matrimonio, pero es mi libre albedrio decir No. Y le deseo de todo corazon que avance en su vida espiritual y material que le vaya muy bien.


Querido Gurmaharaj me postro ante sus pies y le pido perdón por haberle causado tantos problemas, de corazon le pido perdón, esto me ha enseñado en no confiar mucho en las personas y me está acercando más a krishna, solo deseo refugiarme mas en krishna y en srila prabhupada y usted, y con mas fuerza seguiré en conciencia de krishna, jamas quiero abandonar su refugio de sus pies de loto, y todo lo que me está pasando lo tomo como una purificación y karma.

Gracias por su tiempo y energía en preocuparse por mi.

Nadiya Nivasi Dasi.


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All glories to Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga.

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krishna, Guru-maharaj, please accept my sincere and respectful obeisances.


I write this letter apologizing to you and the Vaisnava community for having generated a lot of uncertainty, speculation and infamy towards me, I apologize from the bottom of my heart starting with Srila Prabhupada, you and all the devotees for generating anxiety.


You have been very kind and understanding to me that you have communicated with me personally and with my two older godbrother and godsister who always protected me like true family and true friends.


And I have declared my truth before you.

1. I tried to meet the devotee Milan Rai for 3 months and then I had a firm decision to reject marriage with Him.

2. I have never received any kind of money from Him.

3. He has never introduced me to his family for a marriage commitment.

4. I have never met the devotee Milan physically.

5. I have not broken any of the 4 principles physically after my separation for 2 years and I have been chanting my 16 rounds and doing pujari in San Borja temple and Brazil temple for about a year and a half.

5. You know the details of where I am and who I am with and what I am doing, and to this day my 4 principles are intact and my 16 rounds.

6. I am not trying to defend myself on social networks and giving explanations to the devotees about where I am and what I am doing and who I am with for my protection, and because I know the idiosyncrasy of Peru about gossip and judging a devotee. And also because it is a very auspicious month where I do not intend to fight with the devotees or generate Vaisnava aparadha, and because it is not my nature to be vengeful despite the things that the devotee Milan has done.

7. My truth is that I have only informed the authorities of Peru and Brazil and you and my older brothers.

8. And now I also apologize to the devout Milan for having rejected his marriage proposal, but it is my free will to say No. And I wish him with all my heart that he advances in his spiritual and material life and that he does very well.


Dear Gurmaharaj, I prostrate myself at your feet and ask for your forgiveness for having caused you so many problems. I sincerely ask for your forgiveness. This has taught me not to trust people too much and is bringing me closer to Krishna. I only wish to take more refuge in Krishna and in Srila Prabhupada and you, and with greater force I will continue in Krishna consciousness, I never want to leave the refuge of your lotus feet, and everything that is happening to me I take as purification and karma.

Thank you for his time and energy in caring about me.

Nadiya Nivasi Dasi.


HpS - ASA -- Thank you! AgtSP. Paoho..... You may see the letter from Milan Ji also posted here. Also, this has of course also brought us to contact Mathuresa Das in trying to contact the National Council in Peru. We did not know that formal complaints were filed in terms of these dealings. That was a mistake on the part of the National Council and Mathuresa Das apologized very sincerely and will try to help us in being in better contact with the Council.

He mentioned some of the documents submitted, and actions taken, and comments, made, but that is something that we can discuss in our more focused group.

A basic principal seems to have been that from the vey beginning we were not able to give some general advice in developing these relations. We apologize as we may have made these mistakes.

Is Kali yuga and women, children and old men are especially unprotected, but the good thing is that Krsna personally, personally, takes charge of our protection because this is the situation, and that protection is 16/4! Fight, fight, fight to chant nice rounds and follow four principles strictly physically, verbally and mentally!

Jaya. Thank you.

Hope to get more of your association.

An Apology

1 year, 5 months ago by milan in Personal Sadhana Reports

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krishna, Dear Guru Maharaj ji ,

Hare Krishna, everyone,


HpS, AGTSP! Thank you for your letter and work in this area.

As I know, the etiquette would be for you to address me as, 'Maharaja' and not "Guru Maharaja", although as far as I am concerned, I am just trying to be your servant by mercy of Guru and Gauranga.


In the past few weeks, our community, particularly the Peruvian ISKCON community, has experienced a period of tension and chaos. Unfortunately, a similar situation unfolded within my own community and family. As Many of you are likely aware of the circumstances surrounding the affairs of Mata Nadia Nivasi Devi Dasi from Lima, Peru, and myself, Milan Rai, from Puri, India.


This personal matter escalated into a tense situation due to emotional instability on both sides, preventing any meaningful conversation. Consequently, contacts were blocked, and the issue became public, impacting not only the individuals involved but also many members of our community. It is regrettable that our immature decisions dragged many of you unintentionally into our personal situation. Your valuable time and energy were invested in resolving our personal problems, leading to unpleasant questioning sessions for some.


The involvement of others in our private matter is regrettable, and we acknowledge the negative consequences of our actions. The damage has been done to both sides, causing mental, spiritual, and psychological distress over the past three weeks. At this point, both of us seek peace and healing for ourselves. The immature behavior on both sides even stressed Guru Maharaj ji, and this unfortunate situation unfolded during the auspicious month of Damodar, which is truly regrettable.


Reflecting on the trouble caused, we recognize our fault and feel a deep sense of guilt. In light of this, we believe it is necessary to publicly apologize to everyone who was inadvertently drawn into this situation, who invested their time, and who experienced stress due to our personal issues.


Therefore, on behalf of both of us, I, Milan Rai, extend my sincere apologies to everyone affected by this situation. And It is crucial to emphasize that I harbor no hatred towards Mata Nadia, and I sincerely hope that she finds herself in a better state of mind now.


With humility and remorse,

Milan Rai


HpS // ASA - Thank you so much. We can only endorse your sentiments in so many ways. Srila Prabhupada directly echoes the comment that we should not always be disturbed by failures because they can be the stepping stones to ultimate success.

There is also a comment from Srimati Nadiya. So we will look to that.

Of course, this Blog is a place for further discussion on the general points involved, and as we might be able to help with details we can move into private discussions with proper association.

Japa FMP

1 year, 5 months ago by candra108_mukhi in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krsna, beloved Gurudeva, AGTSP PAMHO


My favorite Japa bead is My own Japa. Ir keeps me connected with the holy mames.


Happy Diwali Gurudeva


Ya

Chandramukhi dd


HpS//ASA - Yet, agtSP, are there some that are spectacularly interesting???

🙂