Devotees in the Temple Seem Depressing

10 years ago by hps in Special Category A

AGTSP paoho

We received a message from a devotee in the ABC Temple, but it is a comment that we get often, so we thought we would answer here. If you have a confidential letter then 1) You can just talk about the general princples and not name specific people, 2) You can even open a different account and post it there. Pretty much if you can discuss it wih us privately you can at leaset discuss it in general terms here. Then we can give out opinion and sixteen more devotees will get the same question answered.

The problem is that the atmosphere in the Temple seems to have changed a lot. Devotees are doing things superficially. They criticize each other frequently, so the devotee then feels depressed about going to Festivals, regular Temple programs and visits sometimes privately and ocassionally with a few devotees, but doesn't discuss this problem with others so as not to contaminate their consciousness.

1) One reporter asked Prabhupada if there were problems in his Temples. Prabhupada answere, "This is the material world. There are problems everywhere."

Even when Krsna was personally present in Vrndavana there were demons causing mis-carriages for the girls.

So, we never expect the ISKCON Temples to be free from problems. Maharaja Pariksit was unfairly cursed by a Brahmana boy, but he took it as impetous to get free from his attachment. So the problems are good.

2) Sometimes the Temple is super enthusiastic, some times it is not. Sometimes our Madhyama adhikari guru falls down, some times our movment is divided into political factions, but in all cases we have only one choice, take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and go on.

3) Prabhupada told devotees that even if they felt they were the most advanced devotees in the Temple still they shold go to class. If they gave all the classes that was still O.K.

So, basic principle is we should go to the Temple and give our association to the devotees. Yes, we can look for more advanced devotees there and spend more time with them at the Temple or individually.
The very fact that there are some ISKCON rituals and ISKCON Festivals means that there is some association. At least they will benefit from our advanced position.

You may say, "Oh, no! I am worse than others!"

No, if we can see the problem and want to give positive energy to the situation then at least we are more advanced than those who can't see it or just want to exploit it.
4) Krsna sends the association. We are getting what we need right now.

So please, Monkey Warriors contribute your perspectives and questions here.

DTC Fr(24)

10 years ago by hps in DTC

AGTSP

paoho & bw

We died ten minutes ago.   We called India six times, changed tickets three times. Studied SB with out Study Partner, lived on Milk, Fruut and Nutz.
Edited and sent the invitee list for the book release.

Conference with Prana Das, Rama-giridhari Das,

Met Bhadra Das in te Temple at mangala arati.

Now we will have a Pow'r Nap and go to Ksiti Kapoors's Place!!

10,000 psychiatric students will be there.

Bhakta Rodrigo Hernández Piceros report

Todas las glorias a Srila Prabhupada

Todas las glorias a Sri Goura Nitai

Querido Gurudeva

Por favor acepte mis humildes reverencias

¡Hare Krishna Gurudeva! Aquí Bhakta Rodrigo Hernández de Santiago de Chile. ¡Muchas gracias por su respuesta!:

“HpS - TlgaSP. Si, si, si! Hemos estado sintiendo gran separación de usted y esperando noticias”.

Si, yo también sintiendo mucho sentimiento de  separación. Extraño mucho su asociación. En realidad estamos vivos sólo gracias al amor que Usted nos entrega.

Esperamos para agosto 2015 hacer una conferencia y lectura de poesía para celebrar los 100 años del nacimiento del poeta chileno Enrique Gómez Correa (RIP), él formó primer grupo surrealista en Chile en los años 1938 aproximadamente.

Nuestra salud está mejor. Yoga y deporte. Hoy fuimos a Terapia Adaba. Hace un año estamos con esta terapia.

Esta terapia Adaba trabaja con los centros de energía (chakras), es una terapia muy buena. Nos ayuda contra la depresión y cosas sutiles.

HpS - ASA - Muy bien!  Super. Pienso puede relacionar con baile y canta de Mahamantra!

Ya estamos pensando en el aniversario 120 de Srila Prabhupada y los 50 años de ISKCON. Todo se cumple el próximo año. Esperamos hacer bastantes programas en lugares importantes. Mostrar la obra de Srila Prabhupada a las personas de Chile.

Lalita Madhava das le envia sus reverencias. Y Bhaktin Ludmilla es amiga de Oscar (Oscar es hermano de Paundra das). Esta devota está practicando Conciencia de Krishna desde hace algunos meses. Ella estuvo en el Congreso de Educación en ISKCON que se realizó en Santiago.

HpS - Si I remember them. Very nice!

Ella pudo escuchar las clases de Usted y hablar con Usted. Ella está muy inspirada:  Está cantando 8 rondas fijas todos los días y algunos días canta más rondas y ella  todos los martes canta 16 rondas. Y ella está siguiendo los 4 principios regulativos. ¡JAYA!  Ella espera muy pronto escribir al blog monkey warrior.

Querido Gurudeva esta es nuestra nueva carta. Si, prometo escribir más frecuente a Usted y enviar cartas más cortas y seguir su instrucción:

"Hola, aqui estoy Rodrigo, aun vivo!".

Todas las glorias a sus pies de loto.

Su aspirante a sirviente,

Bhakta Rodrigo Hernández Piceros

HpS - ASA -- Practica (possible en la confidentiality de sus propios cuartos (((('0'))) ) Bailando y cantando para krsna.

Letter from Lima

Hare Krishna Gurudeva

Please, accept my humble obeisances

All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Dear Gurumaharaja, I want to tell you that I'm moving up with Isabelle to Chosica, two blocks from the temple, the same house where Anandamaya prabhu lived. He has gone to Lima with his family . We're happy because we need to surround ourselves with a quieter atmosphere conducive to the study and service in a calmer mode.

My sadhana is fine, doing Mangala-aratik and chanting my rounds in the morning. I read for an hour and a half at nightfall, I am very focused on the Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi Lila. I am still so far from the complex feelings that the devotees of the Lord develop . How Krsna dasa Kaviraja Goswami raises the mysteries of Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga dissertations with mayavadis reveals a deep and unconditional love for Krsna, how Srila Prabhupada explains these verses is also different, in another mood, with a greater share of intensity, I think. So many questions, so many realizations. But I feel my heart very hard because of my selfishness, far from my devotional goals. I'm a sick person, trying to abandon his lunacy and dilussions.

My service in NIMSAR is demanding but is also a great opportunity to learn about how to differentiate the interests of my mind and my intelligence, it is sometimes difficult to make a difference but  I'm learning something to do it, Gurudeva.
Krishna is being very kind to me, I thank him for the wife who has given me, the association of NIMSAR and other devotees, the service that I am constantly learning and, above all, you, my spiritual master from wich I have so much things to learn.
I hope to be prudent In this new service in Chosica, I just ask Govinda to keep up my enthusiasm and give me a shred of intelligence.

Hope to hear from you soon.

With great affection

Your servant

Gandharva dasa

HpS - Jaya!   AGTSP paho. We are working with Abhirama Das, Rohini kumar Das, LAD et al to fix a calendar for visiting Peru and Tarapota. Also hope to have some academic things published soon that may interest you. If you chant 1728 times the Mahamantra for Krsna to engage you in His service, then certainly He will, no? That is very interesting, useful to everyone.

What are you doing at work?

Hare Krishna!!!

10 years ago by marcos in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare krishna gurumaharaj, Please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

How are you?

HpS - Dying for Krsna, by His Divine Grace, and you???

In Madrid now is springtime and the weather is so nice, I usually go for a walk with the devotees, usually with Dhanesvara Prabhu (one of your spiritual brothers from North America, very focus in varna ashram darma).

My sadhana is good, I went to visit my family some weeks ago and all of them are fine, they respect my way of life and this is a reason to value his love. After go to visit them I did a course with Yadunandana Maharaj about differents ways to facilitate the process of education (aprendizaje por experiencia, dinámicas de grupos, etc…)

In the temple all the programs are working nice: spiritual program, prasadam, food for life, Sunday fest, etc…

From some time ago some devotees are encourage me to put orange cloths. I think that this is a good idea, Dhanesvara said me to do a list with all the benefits and disavantages, and I realized that this is a thing that I would like to try in this period of my life. Yadunandana Swami thinks that this is a nice moment to do it and he likes the idea. Jaramara likes a lot the idea, Dandava says that he isn’t very sure but he will support my decision and my mother said that its horrible but not very horrible (only a little).

I would like to know about your opinion and ask about your permission.

Thanks for your time and I hope to see you soon.

You servant Mantri Rama Das.

HpS - ASA - AGTSP. What does it mean to wear apricot colored clothes?