practical ways to let go illicit sex fom a fallen man

9 years, 9 months ago by harsh_horse in Special Category A, Hot Topics
ASA - AgtSP. Paoho. Mr. Horse. Thank many times for the following letter. Honestly we were having to restrain our tears while we read it. Such clear, potent, broad information can only come about as the result years of INTENSE personal sacrifice. Thank you. Please edit it a little for grammar etc. and then distribute it all over the known world! We hope some Grhasta devotees make comments. Thank you so much.

hare krsna maharaj. pamho.agtsp.
hope you have complete your trip in Peru.
I will write another letter to you regarding book publishing/distributing efforts in Mumbai.
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I remember once you said, if i contribute to this blog, it would be good help to you. Hence I am writing on a topic which I think is very much relevant for many blog readers ( it was for me atleast).
i am also writing this because as a Sannyasi I think it is uncomfortable for you to write on this topic in detail.
Whatever I am writing HH HpS you can modify them at his will.

My Background and qualification to write any suggestion on this matter:
I have been  watching and hearing illicit sex from the age of 16 years (currently i am 30), but now I have stopped it completely. Due to this problem i married, but i preferred to  have a kid. My struggle for last 10 years has  given me tangible results, though i could have easily obtained more if i would been just a little more austere and sincere.

To whom this points are meant for:  Anybody in this world suffering from this disease, but I would restrain it to any one in touch with ISKCON and not able to follow one of the regulative principle of illicit sex. I expect boys to have suffering more from this disease. Hence this suggestions will be less relevant to girls (but not irrelevant) 

definition: illicit sex- there are many concepts but broadlym they fit in [a] sex outside marriage [b] sex without desiring producing KC kids.
In my understanding i stick to defnition mentioned in NOI 1 as it is definitely what Srila Prabhupada wants 


"In a similar manner, the urges of the genitals, the sex impulse, can be controlled when not used unnecessarily. The genitals should be used to beget a Kṛṣṇa conscious child, otherwise they should not be used. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement encourages marriage not for the satisfaction of the genitals but for the begetting of Kṛṣṇa conscious children. As soon as the children are a little grown up, they are sent to our gurukula school, where they are trained to become fully Kṛṣṇa conscious devotees. Many such Kṛṣṇa conscious children are required, and one who is capable of bringing forth Kṛṣṇa conscious offspring is allowed to utilize his genitals".

 suggestions
1. Please stick to above definition of NOI-1, even if you can not follow it. We should not change our goals just because we can not acheive it or think it is diffiult to acheive it.

2. Honesty is the first step in improving., So if you are indulging in illicit sex, please accept it. And pray to vaisnavas, Guru Parampara and Krsna to recover from this evil disease.

3.Stick  to canto 1 and 2 in SB. in 2.2.12 (SB ) it is
" So purification means getting free gradually from sex desire, and this is attained by meditation on the person of the Lord as described herein, beginning from the feet. One should not try to go upwards artificially without seeing for himself how much he has been released from the sex desire".

4. Accept this at face value "illicit sex casue violence (physical/verbal)" it is not pleasure but only pain as Krsna is absent from it. 

5. Dont watch/hear any illicit material as it violates both definitions. If you are single  and can not follow such defintion then in my understanding one should accept his fallen condition and get married. If you are already married then its better to produce kids, then indulging in such activities. I have done some reasearch on moral harmful effects of this "ILLICIT INDUSTRY", its living hell.

6. Many men think we dont have income to support Kids and we can not control our desire, hence they indulge in this activity violating real definition and justify themselves by definition A. In my experience Kids help you to purify this desire. Practicaly speaking
      i. Kids take up lot of your time, hence you dont have resources to indulge in
      ii. If you keep on mediating that this Kids should be trained in KC, you will purify yourself ( even if you have      
          flashbacks due to sinful youth)
      iii. Kids give you higher enjoyment than enjoyment of genitals (even if you just think of your happiness than
           Krsna's).
Regarding less income or  resources ( hence the concept of over population): Its better to give children happy(happiness is state of mind not possession of assets) and moral home, rather than giving amenities and fees to pursue higher degree. Krsna wont let your child starve!!!!!

 7. Its strange one female doctor asked me to indulge in illcit sex (just violating definition NOI not defnition A )as it will reduce anger and improve relationship with my spouse. I tried it , but found it was wrong.  As written before ILLICIT SEX (according to NOI ) causes  violence. Lots of marital conflict between spouses can be reduced if we stick to NOI definition.
Its better to built relationship with spouse on higher platform( god, guru, temple, nation, community,kid ) than just animalist genital level.

8. If your wife thinks she needs to work instead of begitting kids. As a caring husband please tell her facts compassionately. Its natural for women to have and play with kids (even Materialistic agrees with it). If she is working to support you, tell her to relax then you(man) take this task at hand.  You put your trust in Krsna & Guru Parampara, they will be happy with such honest endeavor.
Another reason women prefer to work outside is self-esteem. They feel satisfied in work outside. This is primarily because the husband mistreats her or treat her just like maidservant, cook and nanny. This is wrong, she is doing great service to Krsna and man kind by JUST taking care of kids and home. Praise her austerity genuinely and see SB guidelines how to treat wife.

9. Many men think they dont themselves dont need sex , but their wife does, so they indulge in it. In my understanding women can be happy in peaceful home,with a respecting and caring husband, and basic mateiral comforts.  If she does not get these then her sex desire might be more. Secondly if she is really (lusty), then tell her, there are no free lunches in this material world (atleast be a Karmi).  The price for having sex is to care of Kid for atelast 20 years.

9.  Outside  you will see many women (advertisement or workplace) dressed inappropriately. Have compassion on them as they are being misled that way to be happy is to flaunt one self and have wealth.

10. These are general guidelines, one may need to adjust details personally 

thank you Maharaj for reading- I hope this helps me follow the definition of NOI-1 more strcitly.

 regards,
passionate horse

Grateful

9 years, 9 months ago by sadmonkey in Personal Sadhana Reports

Hare Krsna gurumaharaj

thanks a lot for taking your precious  time to answer my questions .. ANYWAY i may take some time away from temples and maybe return to university, and return to my japa step by step

hope to travel and see you soon and in a better way... i respect you very much and i am very grateful

In service 

ASA AgtSP. Paoho. Be a good soldier. Kiss your three left fingers goodbye, put on a bandage, pick up your BBT bazooka and get back into the fight. "Out of my life, Witch! I'm gonna save Baby Krsna!" "We're all gonna die. It's how you live that counts", Conan the Barbarian

DTC 6(Su)

9 years, 9 months ago by hps in DTC

Hare Krsna. AGTSP. Paoho. Probably like you, we are suffering and sanctified, from Janmastami, Prabhupada Birthday and Ekadasi austerities and mercy, one after another. It is 11.15AM. We leave for the Temple in Chosica in one hour. We have only had five bananas and some Pecans in the last 36-hours. Four lectures, two initiations, two Kirtans, conversations and consultation with 25-devotees (one completely mad and a little violent). Happy life. After discussions with Peru scholars seems: 1. We have to go ahead slowly with Jung's Kundalini lectures and Peter Brook Mahabharata for some. With others we can 2. Start a magazine, "Solaris", that will include "1.", but also some more advanced topics, 3. We are going to have a BIG symposium with the National LIbrary of Peru in June 2016 on the theme of "Psychlogy of the Sacred" with international scholars, national publicity. Do you want to join? Are you psychic/sacred? Do you know and candidates? Now we are doing our final packing. from 12.45 - 2.45 PM is Prabhupada's avir-bhava festival. Then drive to Lima, shop and stay the night near the airport. Check in by 6am and fly to Mexico. That's our news. Our stomach ache keeps attracting our consciousness. Smell of sulfur in the air. Birds chattering. Cool, about 71 degrees, sun shine. Second storie. O.K. We finish here for now! Tomorrow letters maybe from Mexico. Would like to answer more. Looks like nice letter from the Bombay Pradhan.

Priya Sakhi Devi Dasi (Veganism)

9 years, 9 months ago by priyasakhi in Personal Sadhana Reports, Special Category A

Hare Krishna Guru Maharaja.

Por favor acepte mis respetuosas reverencias.

Todas las glorias sean para Srila Prabhupada!

Espero que se encuentre muy bien de salud.

HpS - 67 anos!  Bajo energia por la predica pero bien. Espamos descansar un poco la proxima semana.

Le escribo para reportar mi servicio.

Terminamos el estudio del Bhagavad Gita, y realizaremos un exámen de todo el libro, antes de comenzar con Néctar de la Devoción y demás libros. Terminamos en octubre con éste curso, y luego de ello pienso retomar el proyecto de  escuela para los niños.

HpS - Vd es profesor, no?

Continúo con la organización de Talleres y cursos en el templo. En breve comenzaremos con 2 talleres para niños. Uno de música; canto coral y mantras con Madre Cynthia Farias, y un taller de Yoga con Madre Gandharvika Radhika.

HpS - ASA - Super!  Pienso estas cursos cortas son los mejores.

Quiero además contarle que estamos esperando un nuevo bebé. Ya tiene 3 semanas 1/2, y estamos muy felices. Esperamos que crezca sano (a) y sea un devoto (a). Continuaré con el Instructorado de Yoga.

HpS - Bien. Mucha austeridad para Vd. como Madre!

Una de mis profesoras está muy cercana a los devotos de Krishna, y otro compañero muy interesado siempre en la filosofía y nuestra cultura..

La familia está bien. 

...

También quiero hacerle una consulta.

¿Cuál es Su opinión acerca de dejar de consumir lácteos que no vengan de una vaca feliz (vaca que no es maltratada en las industrias)?

Escucho de muchos devotos decir que no se deben consumir lácteos ya que el maltrato que sufren las vacas en la industria lechera es horrible. Y he sabido que algunos Maestros Espirituales no consumen lácteos, pero hasta ahora no he escuchado a ninguno "predicar" el "Veganismo", o decir algo en cuánto a éste tema. Si, me interesa mucho saber qué piensa usted.

HpS - ASA - [translate.google.com].  Our understanding is that the treatment of animals in the USA has improved since the time of Prabhupada because of the efforts of several groups. In Chile it may be worse. Prabhupada knew of some of these problems but promoted the use of milk in offering to Krsna and consuming the results. Meat eaters need milk products to give up meat. If we live in the forest then maybe Brahmanas don't need milk, but for mental strength to advise the King and preach then seems the brain needs milk.

Of course we look for the best milk. In California there is a big difference in the way th cows are treated and the quality of the milk from different companies.

The best way to help the cows is Sankirtan Yajna. For that we need brain power, so we use their mik to help them.

O.K?

Esperando que ésta carta lo encuentre bien.

Su sirviente 

Priya Sakhi DD

HpS - Gracias!   Reverencias a todos lo devotos. Pienso venimos a Chile en Enero!

Hare Krsna Gurudev - Sankirtan Report - II, from Vrndavan

Hare Krsna Dear Gurudev,
    Please accept my humble obeisances at your lotus feet.
    All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
    All glories to Guru parampara.

    Gurudev, Thank you so much.

    Schedule - Morning Program, SB by HH Radha-Govind Maharaj (Morning & Evening - 2-2 Hours), Office work (from Vrndavan), Temple Services.

    Learning lots of things - Previous and current activity. Like - The real reason behind, why i was not able to join Morning Programs, during your
    last Delhi Visit, where i am lacking in Sadna, where i should focus more and lots of things.
    
    Will visit Barsana under guidance of senior leaders from ISKCON Vrndavana to see few great Vaisanava and brajwasi so that i can get ignited more
    for sadna.

    Please let me know if you have any thing for me.

your fallen servant,to
Girivaradhari-Gopal Das

HpS - ASA --- Bharata bhumite haile!      Because of your past work you have put your self in Bharata as a Bharata vasi!  Now you have so much opportunity make your own life succesful. Just hearing from you hear in the Pascatya desa is so purifying.   Thank so much for being a real Bharata vasi!   This is our last day in Peru.  Incredible results with the Sankirtan.  Just keep looking for the new ways that Krsnna sends to distribute your knowledge!!!!!!!   Hope to have more time after this week for letters. Please send us reports of the life of Devotee in India like this! 

GURUDEV!!!

NitayGoura Premananade! querido y siempre recordado, Gururdev,

por favor acepte mis humildes y respetuosas reverencias,p

TODAS LAS GLORIAS A SRILA PRABHUPADA!!

HpS - ASA ---  Hare Krsna. Estamos en Mexico manana.   Gracias su pequeno fotos de sus Deidades. Estamos llevando con nosotros. 

                                             en los ultimos tiempos adaptandome a las circunstancias que toca vivir, una mujer con disfunción renal afrontando sus gastos y los de su anciano Padre, Es el Mundo Material, hay que cubrir necesidades inmediatas,  Gtacias a su Misericordia sin causa, la Distribución de Libros  está sembrado en mi Corazón, apesar de realizarlo dentro del poco tiempo que dispongo, es la FELICIDAD DURADERA,  con la Tecnologia ofresco los diferentes temas y colecciones de libros de Srila Prabhupada, en tiendas, Instituciones Culturales, llevo conmigo solo 2 Libros grandes y les digo:   como estos Libros tenemos diferentes temas para Coleccionar, les enseño las fotos en WatsUpp entonces me dicen: ah! y este libro que veo en la foto de que se trata? les explico brevemente , y me dicen:  por favor traeme uno la proxima semana, les digo: Claro que si! .....la Felicidad espiritual es duradera!! de que sirve lamentarse de las miserias de este mundo Material? verdad? actualmente estoy siguiendo una carrera de multinivel en Cosmetico, no me gusta, pero, ofrece Seguro para enfermedades complicadas como la mia, ok, lo voy a hacer tengo que estudiar mucho, practicar, demanda tiempo!! La  Cia. se basa en principios de: Primero Dios, Segundo la Familia y tercero el trabajo, estoy aceptando que Dios me puso en este camino por algo,  circunstancialmente para ganar el Sustento soy como un payaso, desempeñando el papel de una vendedora de Inciesos en un Semaforo o vistiendo de Sastre visitando Sras. elegantes,  etc.... pero su infinita compasión querido Gurudev no me abandona y hace que el Bhajan a Prabhupada esté sonando constantemente en el corazón de esta inútil sirvienta suya!!! Eternamente agradecida  a sus divinos Pies de Loto!!

                                                                                                                                Radhe, Radhe, Radhe.....

su inutil y torpe sirvienta

m. Jambavati d.d.

HpS - Si, eso es una perspectivo commun, bueno!   Dios, Familia, Trabajo.   Y para devoto todo es Dio. Por media de su trabajo puede apprender MUCHO acerca de marketing por libros!  Esforzando visitar a su padre durante esta visita pero no posible. Ayer en Janmastami 4-conferencias, dos iniciancions y hablando con infinita cuantidad de gente.

No vemos manana!!