Hare Krishna Gurudev!

Gloria a Srila Prabhupada!

Gloria a Sri Sri Nitay Gourasundar!!

Cómo está usted Gurudeva?

Espero que se encuentre muy bien. Quería agradecerle una vez mas su perspectiva en relación a mi comentario en el taller de hoy sobre "Los problemas en los templos."

Vale aclarar que no tengo dudas que el proceso de Bhakti Yoga que Srila Prabhupada nos ofrece es nuestra entrada al Mundo Espiritual, entonces después de saber directa e indirectamente que tanto en los templos como en el entorno a los devotos existe abuso psicológico, físico etc. hemos consultado con profesionales de la salud mental (psicólogos que no son demonios) (hahaha!) que realmente existen técnicas para identificar a los psicópatas narcisitas integrados en la sociedad, por supuesto estas personas con trastornos de la personalidad están en toda la sociedad y se dedican a destruir mentalmente a sus víctimas y como le decía hoy, Iskcon, como institución, no está exenta de la presencia de estas personalidades. Entonces, la información que comparten estos profesionales de la salud mental, en forma muy seria, es la manera de que estas personas no se instalen en nuestras vidas (a través de mentiras, engaños, técnicas de manipulación de cualquier tipo, etc) y nos consuman nuestra valiosa energía. El doctor Iñaki Piñuel, la doctora Belén Tarnowski por ejemplo y muchos otros profesionales están haciendo un inmemso trabajo para que este conocimiento llegue a mas gente que es estafada emocionalmente, muchas de estas personas incluso llegan al punto de quitarse la vida debido a la presión mental que generan los PN (psicópatas narcisitas) Entonces, estos psicólogos están presentando simplemente las técnicas para identificar a estas personalidades y no permitirles que juegen con nuestra mente y nuestras emociones. Por supuesto tenemos un karma "que pagar", aún no llegamos a la perfección de la práctica de bhakti yoga en esta vida, pero en mi opinión, si este conocimiento llega a mi vida y lo encuentro lógico y acertado, por que no tomarlo y compartirlo? Es asombroso como estos psicólogos describen perfectamente el accionar de estas personas que se dedican a hacer bullying, mobbing en los entornos sociales, hogares, trabajos, instituciones de todo tipo. Ha sido muy triste ver tantas injusticias en distintos templos Gurudev, escuchar a devotos hablar de como se han abusado psicologicamente y hasta físicamente de ellos y no poder denunciar por miedo y cuando se hizo denuncia, se ha ignorado el hecho en cuestión. No veo absolutamente nada de malo en compartir este conocimiento Gurudeva, espero no cometer ofensa con esto, de hecho le permite a las personas tener relaciones sanas y vidas mas conscientes para continuar con nuestra práctica espiritual (en nuestro caso) que tanto nos cuesta mantener en standar. Disculpe lo extenso de la carta, gracias por escucharme y seguiré conectandome siempre que pueda al FMP. Que El Señor Krishna lo cuide de cerca. Por favor disculpe cualquier ofensa.

Jahnava Devi dasi.

Hare Krishna. 🙏🏻🦁🌺

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AgtSP!! I think we may have answered this Blog Post before, but don't see it.

Hare Krishna Gurudev!

Glory to Srila Prabhupada!

Glory to Sri Sri Nitay Gourasundar!!

How are you Gurudeva?

HpS - O.K. AgtSP!!! Paoho.

I hope he is feeling very well. I wanted to thank him once again for his perspective regarding my comment in today's workshop on "Problems in Temples."

It is worth clarifying that I have no doubt that the Bhakti Yoga process that Srila Prabhupada offers us is our entrance to the Spiritual World, so after knowing directly and indirectly that both in the temples and in the environment of the devotees there is psychological, physical abuse, etc. We have consulted with mental health professionals (psychologists who are not demons) (hahaha!) that there really are techniques to identify narcissistic psychopaths integrated into society, of course these people with personality disorders are throughout society and are They dedicate themselves to mentally destroying their victims and as I said today, Iskcon, as an institution, is not exempt from the presence of these personalities.

So, the information that these mental health professionals share, in a very serious way, is the way that these people do not install themselves in our lives (through lies, deception, manipulation techniques of any kind, etc.) and consume our valuable energy.

Dr. Iñaki Piñuel, Dr. Belén Tarnowski for example and many other professionals are doing immense work so that this knowledge reaches more people who are emotionally scammed, many of these people even go to the point of taking their own lives due to mental pressure that generate PN (narcissistic psychopaths).

So, these psychologists are simply presenting the techniques to identify these personalities and not allow them to play with our mind and our emotions.

Of course we have karma "to pay", we have not yet reached the perfection of the practice of bhakti yoga in this life, but in my opinion, if this knowledge comes into my life and I find it logical and correct, why not take it and share it?

It is amazing how these psychologists perfectly describe the actions of these people who engage in bullying and mobbing in social environments, homes, jobs, institutions of all kinds. It has been very sad to see so many injustices in different Gurudev temples, to hear devotees talk about how they have been psychologically and even physically abused and not being able to report out of fear and when a report was made, the fact in question has been ignored.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with sharing this knowledge Gurudeva, I hope I do not offend with this, in fact it allows people to have healthy relationships and more conscious lives to continue with our spiritual practice (in our case) that we find so difficult to maintain standard.

Sorry for the length of the letter, thank you for listening to me and I will continue connecting to the FMP whenever I can.

May Lord Krishna watch over you closely.

Please excuse any offense.

Jahnava Devi Dasi.

Hare Krishna. 🙏🏻🦁🌺

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HpS/ASA - We, agtSP, sympathize, agree, with your thoughts profoundly.

Of course, we amazingly got a first place Bachelor's diploma from the University of California in 1970, and nothing but continued development of that knowledge and perspective has been our participation in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON.

To our mind, education in ISKCON in psychology, psycho-pathology, is needed from cooks, to GBC managers.

Even in our Yoga we go from the senses, to the sense objects, to the mind, to the intellect, to the soul. External related knowledge of psychology and sociology can be very useful.

Mental disease is like physical disease. ISKCON communities, official temples, have to know and teach their members how to deal with mental disease just as they teach them to deal with hepatitis.

There needs to be education and facility for psycho-pathology.

We are reading C. G. Jung now but have read so many other psychologists and cultural anthropologists. Srila Prabhupada's recommendation is to sharpen our intelligence on SB and BG and then explain the information and realizations of scientific community (eg. Psychology) in even a better way than they have. Then they will ask, "Where do you get this wonderful perspective?" and we can connect their work to our friends and institutions.

So, much more to discuss!

For example, DSM-R-5.

Yet Srila Prabhupada gave a "shortcut" method of determining who is a good psychologist:

How many times does S(he)it mention the name of God?

One Mexican lady in Berkeley (San Francisco) worked for the city. Several devotees went to her. We even recommend her to some.

She was very nice Catholic lady and understood Japa and Rosary, prayer, deities, very well, and used our Sadhana as regular part of her technique to help the devotees.

I personally saw how she helped one friend, Krta-karma Das, Cuban, who had subconscious traumatic childhood abuse complex that was leading to fall downs every two or three years.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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