Standards for a devotee

3 years, 10 months ago by purushottam in Hot Topics

Hare Krishna, Respected, Maharaja,

Please accept my humble obeiscances.

It is just amazing for me to see how you are so actively preaching in spite of your advanced age. Very inspiring for me.

HpS - ASA -- "even the old men of Mathurā became fully invigorated with youthful energy and strength by regularly seeing Him" (https://vedabase.io/en/library/kb/45/#bb91550 )

I was waiting for my report to be answered/published by you, the link is- https://monkeywarrior.com/reports/detail/169/

Just now saved another with link- https://monkeywarrior.com/detail/11239/

Now after so many days, some states have opened up the lockdown while others are still continuing. Most of the trains are not running, except for a few special trains. So, my engagements are sadhana and Gita Classes, study of Madhurya Kadambini in depth and the course of Academic writing. Cases of Corona are increasing day by day while most of the people are in uncertainty- of what next? Whether their Job will continue? Students are worried if at all any companies will visit college for campus selection? I am about- when will I start my next preaching venture. 

Just now I read the article - http://www.jayarama.us/peru/archivos/guru-tattva-es.txt

It was very comprehensive. I have a doubt. Srila Prabhupada gave very clear instructions regarding sex life- 'only for begetting good children within married life' in books. At the same time I know that ISKCON gurus do offer diksha to people who are far away from this position.

Mostly couples (even initiated) meet at least once a month. Also, during Srila Prabhupada times, I heard an incident where a devotee indulged with a prostitute in Mayapur because his wife was not ready for 'illicit sex' with him. Then Srila Prabhupada told that illicit sex within married life is not too sinful. Of course, I don't have any reference for it, since it is not available in Vedabase. I seriously doubt that if this rule is strictly applied, how many devotees would be eligible for diksha? What is situation of those who still are getting diksha?

Could you please clarify? I wonder if Srila Prabhupada was sure if his Grihastha disciples were actually following this rule strictly? I mean as they were coming from a different background. I find it difficult for people from a deeply cultural background. If you think it ok, please clarify.

HpS - ASA --- It is a broad topic to us and a narrow topic. In Srila Prabhupada's books it seems very simple, very direct, very precise. Every other thing is illicit, creates some material reaction!

Yet, I hear the same as you, that people are initiated and are accepted by their 'Gurus' as initiated disciples even though they are engaged in Avedic Stri Sangha.

I discuss it in the 'guru-tattva' file. Maybe some ISKCON Gurus are so powerful that they can carry married couples who are relating outside of strict Prabhupada standard, but Hansadutta told us that that was the real cause of his falldown, not 'I am the enjoyer', but 'I am the best friend', like Prabhupada. Bharata Maharaja fell for that vanity with the deer also, no?

Then, if people are posing in ISKCON, feeling supported by their 'Guru' as regular devotees, but are actually deeply conditioned by sensual attachment, then it created big confusion for us, others, about what is the comportment of an ISKCON devotee!

That is our current understanding of the situation.

In the article we point out that we cannot function as Diksa guru, but we can certainly function at Vartmana-pradarshika guru is the devotees want to get back on the path.

Your aspiring servant,

Purushottam Keshav Das

HpS - ASA --- Thank you for the news!!! Who is in the Ashrama with you?? Where is it geographically.

We chant that B. Caru Swami has good atmosphere on the subtle platform at this special moment.